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Indian Muslims love for Pakistan

Dont need to get emotional dear. If Indian government take INR 1000/- per adult male muslim per year, and guarantee that his life, property, respect and religious places will be protected. Every Muslim will say yes. Dont your government take taxes from minorities? If you migrate to USA or Europe, start a business, dont you pay tax? What that country guarantee you in return?

What if the Muslim is too poor to pay it? Should a person be killed for that?

Is poll tax fair in your opinion irrespective of the person's income and if he/she can afford it?

What about the humiliating conditions?

And the restrictions?

And please also see how those "guarantees" really worked.

The real test is: Would Muslims like to be subject to reverse dhimmitude in non-Muslim countries?
 
What if the Muslim is too poor to pay it? Should a person be killed for that?

Is poll tax fair in your opinion irrespective of the person's income and if he/she can afford it?

What about the humiliating conditions?

And the restrictions?

And please also see how those "guarantees" really worked.

The real test is: Would Muslims like to be subject to reverse dhimmitude in non-Muslim countries?

The Jizya is only upon capable males. Imam Ibn Qayyim writes;

“There is no Jizya on the kids, women and the insane. This is the view of the four imams. Ibn Munzar said, ‘I do not know anyone to have differed with them.’ Abu Muhammad ibn Qudama said in al-Mughni, ‘We do not know of any difference of opinion among the learned on this issue.” (Ahkam Ahl Zimma 1/14)

“And there is no Jizya upon the aged, one suffering from chronic disease, the blind, and the patient who has no hope of recovery and has despaired of his health, even if they have enough.” (Ahkam Ahl Zimma 1/16)

One important incident quoted by Imam Abu Yusuf needs special mention;

‘Umar bin Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, passed by the door of a people’s dwelling. There was beggar there saying, “Extremely old person with blind eyesight [needs help!”] He [‘Umar] got hold of him from behind and asked, “Which community of the People of Book you belong to?” He said, “I am a Jew.” He asked, “What brought you to this condition that I see?” He said, “The demand of Jizya, the needs and the old age.” ‘Umar got hold of his hand and brought him to his place helped him a little and then called for the custodian of Baytul Mal and said, “Take a look at his suffering. By Allah this is not justice on our part that we extract from them in their youth and leave them helpless in their old age! … He exempted him from Jizya and similarly the likes of him. (Kitabul Kharaj 1/139)

Orientalist, Thomas Armold puts it as;

“The tax was to be levied only on able-bodied males, and not on women or children. The poor who were dependent for their livelihood on alms and the aged poor who were incapable of work were also specially excepted, as also the blind, the lame, the incurables and the insane, unless they happened to be men of wealth; this same condition applied to priests and monks, who were exempt if dependent on the arms of the rich, but had to pay it if they were well-to-do and lived in comfort. The collectors of the jizyah were particularly instructed to show leniency, and refrain from all harsh treatment or the infliction of corporal punishment, in case of non-payment.” (The Preaching of Islam p.60)
 
@takeiteasy

Ok you have given a POV of a historian. Fine. What it has to do with the term Jizzya, its practice and islamic definition? If you have read the link, you have find out that Jizzya was a practice even by Christians and Jews pre-islam.

@Vinod2070

Dont need to get emotional dear. If Indian government take INR 1000/- per adult male muslim per year, and guarantee that his life, property, respect and religious places will be protected. Every Muslim will say yes. Dont your government take taxes from minorities? If you migrate to USA or Europe, start a business, dont you pay tax? What that country guarantee you in return?

@bronxbull

In Islam, Zakat is the main tex system, which is that after an year if someone has certain limit excess money he/she will pay 2.5% on it. It is not given to state but directly to poor people. On yearly harvest there is separate tex collected by the state.
Jizzya is a tax on adult males who can take up arms. Women, Children and elderly are exempted from it. Against the payment of Jizzya the security of that non-muslim and his family becomes the responsibility of state.

In Hindu kingdoms everyone gets protection regardless of faith.

We don't need jizya.
 
Do Indian Muslims want to join Pakistan?

Think of this;
Not even a single South Indian Muslim migrate to Pakistan!
It was all UP/Bihar the max.

There is no Idli/Sambhar/Dosa culture in Pakistan - which still is in Maldives/malaysia..

Pakistan wants to be Total Sunni at the end of the day.
No Shias, let alone Kafers..
End goal/
 
Think of this;
Not even a single South Indian Muslim migrate to Pakistan!
It was all UP/Bihar the max.

There is no Idli/Sambhar/Dosa culture in Pakistan - which still is in Maldives/malaysia..

Pakistan wants to be Total Sunni at the end of the day.
No Shias, let alone Kafers..

End goal/

Are you sure about these highlighted statements you have just made?
Can you support any of these with some evidence?
 
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The Jizya is only upon capable males. Imam Ibn Qayyim writes;

“There is no Jizya on the kids, women and the insane. This is the view of the four imams. Ibn Munzar said, ‘I do not know anyone to have differed with them.’ Abu Muhammad ibn Qudama said in al-Mughni, ‘We do not know of any difference of opinion among the learned on this issue.” (Ahkam Ahl Zimma 1/14)

“And there is no Jizya upon the aged, one suffering from chronic disease, the blind, and the patient who has no hope of recovery and has despaired of his health, even if they have enough.” (Ahkam Ahl Zimma 1/16)

One important incident quoted by Imam Abu Yusuf needs special mention;

‘Umar bin Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, passed by the door of a people’s dwelling. There was beggar there saying, “Extremely old person with blind eyesight [needs help!”] He [‘Umar] got hold of him from behind and asked, “Which community of the People of Book you belong to?” He said, “I am a Jew.” He asked, “What brought you to this condition that I see?” He said, “The demand of Jizya, the needs and the old age.” ‘Umar got hold of his hand and brought him to his place helped him a little and then called for the custodian of Baytul Mal and said, “Take a look at his suffering. By Allah this is not justice on our part that we extract from them in their youth and leave them helpless in their old age! … He exempted him from Jizya and similarly the likes of him. (Kitabul Kharaj 1/139)

Orientalist, Thomas Armold puts it as;

“The tax was to be levied only on able-bodied males, and not on women or children. The poor who were dependent for their livelihood on alms and the aged poor who were incapable of work were also specially excepted, as also the blind, the lame, the incurables and the insane, unless they happened to be men of wealth; this same condition applied to priests and monks, who were exempt if dependent on the arms of the rich, but had to pay it if they were well-to-do and lived in comfort. The collectors of the jizyah were particularly instructed to show leniency, and refrain from all harsh treatment or the infliction of corporal punishment, in case of non-payment.” (The Preaching of Islam p.60)

I understand where you are coming from.

You believe in a final and perfect and merciful Islam.

So my question again:

Do you think dhimmitude (as it was practiced by the Muslims) is the best way to treat religious minorities?

Should Muslims be treated as Dhimmis in non Muslim countries?

In fact they should be making demands on non Muslims to treat them as dhimmis. No?
 
Think of this;
Not even a single South Indian Muslim migrate to Pakistan!
It was all UP/Bihar the max.

Hyderabadi Muslims - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Locating Home: India's Hyderabadis Abroad - Karen Isaksen Leonard - Google Books

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A replica of the Charminar built by Hyderabadi Muslims in Bahadurabad, Karachi, Pakistan
 
I wud love it if they go away.
Say that infront of me yindu ill smack your face and break your jaw
its our country and you have no right to say that. **** your opinion too
 
Say that infront of me yindu ill smack your face and break your jaw
its our country and you have no right to say that. **** your opinion too

This is exactly the kind that needs to be kicked out and should have been kicked out with partition. This kind doesn't belong here and never belonged.

Glad we are rid of this one.

It is not an Islamic country. It was divided in the name of Islam and it was a mistake to allow such people to remain behind.
 

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