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Kargil martyr Saurabh Kalia's torture: Violations by Pakistan unacceptable

Where is the proof that any of it ever happened? show us the mutilated bodies!

Assuming that it did happen, why didn't GOI raised the issue at that time?

Did Pakistan handed back prisinors live and healthy, but indian army tortured and killed them on suspicions of working for Pakistan?

Why have their parents raised this issue after a decade? are they in need of money? or is someone backing them?

What is india trying to gain from this stunt here? Are they trying to raise a new issue after burrying Kasab?

Why do indians like to keep cribbing an dcrying all the time?


that it was done by Pak Army personnel
 
What a bunch of sentimental fools we Indians are man.

Bhai 13 saal ho gaye hain.

Bhool jao ab.

Yahan har din laakhon marte hain.

Kab tak matam manaoge?

Chalo cricket khelte hain.
 
Where is the proof that any of it ever happened? show us the mutilated bodies!

Assuming that it did happen, why didn't GOI raised the issue at that time?

Did Pakistan handed back prisinors live and healthy, but indian army tortured and killed them on suspicions of working for Pakistan?

Why have their parents raised this issue after a decade? are they in need of money? or is someone backing them?

What is india trying to gain from this stunt here? Are they trying to raise a new issue after burrying Kasab?

Why do indians like to keep cribbing an dcrying all the time?


that it was done by Pak Army personnel

Saurabh Kalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
read it if you want proof.
India made some noises at that time , but nothing happened and the matter is eventually side
lined but his father has been fighting for his son's honour through all these years.. it was not like after a decade he wake up on a fine morning and jumped in for money or fame.

And I have nothing at pity for the conspiracy theory you raised that the pak army handed over prisoners healthy but Indian army tortured them.
 
1. May Indra churn (the enemy), he, the churner, Sakra (mighty), the hero, that pierces the forts, so that we shall slay the armies of the enemies a thousandfold!
2. May the rotten rope, wafting itself against yonder army, turn it into a stench. When the enemies see from afar our smoke and fire, fear shall they lay into their hearts!
3. Tear asunder those (enemies), O asvattha (ficus religiosa), devour (khâda) them, O! khadira (acacia catechu) in lively style! Like the tâgadbhanga (ricinus communis) they shall be broken (bhagyantâm), may the vadhaka (a certain kind of tree) slay them with his weapons (vadhaih)!
4. May the knotty âhva-plant put knots upon yonder (enemies), may the vadhaka slay them with his weapons! Bound up in (our) great trap-net, they shall quickly be broken as an arrow-reed!
5. The atmosphere was the net, the great regions (of space) the (supporting) poles of the net: with these Sakra (mighty Indra) did surround and scatter the army of the Dasyus.
6. Great, forsooth, is the net of great Sakra, who is rich in steeds: with it infold thou all the enemies, so that not one of them shall be released!
7. Great is the net of thee, great Indra, hero, that art equal to a thousand, and hast hundredfold might. With that (net) Sakra slew a hundred, thousand, ten thousand, a hundred million foes, having surrounded them with (his) army.
8. This great world was the net of great Sakra: with this net of Indra I infold all those (enemies) yonder in darkness,
9. With great dejection, failure, and irrefragable misfortune; with fatigue, lassitude, and confusion, do I surround all those (enemies) yonder.
10. To death do I hand them over, with the fetters of death they have been bound. To the evil messengers of death do I lead them captive.
11. Guide ye those (foes), ye messengers of death; ye messengers of Yama, infold them! Let more than thousands be slain; may the club of Bhava crush them!
12. The Sâdhyas (blessed) go holding up with might one support of the net, the Rudras another, the Vasus another, (Still) another is upheld by the Âdityas.
13. All the gods shall go pressing from above with might; the Angiras shall go on the middle (of the net), slaying the mighty army!
14. The trees, and (growths) that are like trees, the plants and the herbs as well; two-footed and four-footed creatures do I impel, that they shall slay yonder army!
15. The Gandharvas and Apsaras, the serpents and the gods, holy men and (deceased) Fathers, the visible and invisible (beings), do I impel, that they shall slay yonder army!
16. Scattered here are the fetters of death; when thou steppest upon them thou shalt not escape! May this hammer slay (the men) of yonder army by the thousand!
17. The gharma (sacrificial hot drink) that has been heated by the fire, this sacrifice (shall) slay thousands! Do ye, Bhava and Sarva, whose arms are mottled, slay yonder army!
18. Into the (snare of) death they shall fall, into hunger, exhaustion, slaughter, and fear! O Indra and Sarva, do ye with trap and net slay yonder army!
19. Conquered, O foes, do ye flee away; repelled by (our) charm, do ye run! Of yonder host, repulsed by Brihaspati, not one shall be saved!
20. May their weapons fall from their (hands), may they be unable to lay the arrow on (the bow)! And then (our) arrows shall smite them, badly frightened, in their vital members!
21. Heaven and earth shall shriek at them, and the atmosphere, along with the divine powers! Neither aider, nor support did they find; smiting one another they shall go to death!
22. The four regions are the she-mules of the god's chariot, the purodâsas (sacrificial rice-cakes) the hoofs, the atmosphere the seat (of the wagon). Heaven and earth are its two sides, the seasons the reins, the intermediate regions the attendants, Vâk (speech) the road.
23. The year is the chariot, the full year is the body of the chariot, Virâg, the pole, Agni the front part of the chariot. Indra is the (combatant) standing on the left of the chariot, Kandramas (the moon) the charioteer.
24. Do thou win here, do thou conquer here, overcome, win, hail! These here shall conquer, those yonder be conquered! Hail to these here, perdition to those yonder! Those yonder do I envelop in blue and red!
ATHARVA-VEDA:VIII, 8. Battle-charm
 
Oh yeas, Wikipedia is the most credible source, but it says something else on the main site, check it out.

Saurabh Kalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Saurabh Kalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
read it if you want proof.
India made some noises at that time , but nothing happened and the matter is eventually side
lined but his father has been fighting for his son's honour through all these years.. it was not like after a decade he wake up on a fine morning and jumped in for money or fame.
 
lol the same Indian soldiers were committing crimes against occupied Kashmiris...good news If they tortured them good before sending them to hell .. :D

Are you the product/descendents of coward Pakistani who surrendered to Indian lions in 1971?.

on topic:Why India spared life of 90000 Pakistani at first place? they should be killed then and there but we missed that chance and we preaching/preached Gandhian, Buddists principles . India may acts as holy(with stupidity) but don't expect everybody would do the same its quite insane. I having sympathy towards saubrab family and hats off for his sacrifice to nation that's different. But in war victory is important how you followed ethics is not matters in that perspective I won't blame Pakistan.
 
Oh yeas, Wikipedia is the most credible source, but it says something else on the main site, check it out.

Saurabh Kalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

what I get nothing ? mention what it is.

Forget source do you think a father will make stories about his son being tortured to death ? Do you believe Indian army did that ? if you believe so what is the point in bringing other sources because at the end of the day only two parties are involved Indian army and pak army, and pak army denied the charges as usual.
 
Bah, Bah a black Sheep,

Have you any Wool?

Yes merry have I,

Three Bags full,

One for my master,

One for my Dame,

One for the little Boy

That lives down the lane.


nursery rhyme,

i saw that some members here have a strange habit of posting irrelevant topics, i figured that even i should give it a try.

seriously,guys,which one did you all like, the off topic religious rants or the beautiful nursery rhymes.
 
Toooooooooooooooo late for that now

Are you the product/descendents of coward Pakistani who surrendered to Indian lions in 1971?.

on topic:Why India spared life of 90000 Pakistani at first place? they should be killed then and there but we missed that chance and we preaching/preached Gandhian, Buddists principles . India may acts as holy(with stupidity) but don't expect everybody would do the same its quite insane. I having sympathy towards saubrab family and hats off for his sacrifice to nation that's different. But in war victory is important how you followed ethics is not matters in that perspective I won't blame Pakistan.
 
It took you some time, didn't it? and you got my point. back to topic as you siad in your post that india made some noise at that time and nothing happneded, what do you expect would happen now after 13 years? Nothing except creating bad taste.


what I get nothing ? mention what it is.

Forget source do you think a father will make stories about his son being tortured to death ? Do you believe Indian army did that ? if you believe so what is the point in bringing other sources because at the end of the day only two parties are involved Indian army and pak army, and pak army denied the charges as usual.
 
If you are talking about the Pakistani soldiers, well call them what you want. By now they and their families have gotten used to the fact that you disown them. Call them mujahideen or non state actors or terrorists or what you will. But to the rest of your post, well no such things shouldn't happen in war if the soldiers follow basic laws of war agreed upon by humanity. And note, this happened before any war started, this was the beginning of the war. Indian soldiers (since we are not in the habit of disowning our men in uniform) were abducted and tortured for weeks. That's not what professional soldiers who work for the nation's INTERESTS do. That's what soldiers motivated by hatred, as opposed to interests, do.

Oh shut ur trap we didnt disown any of our soldiers.... my father himself collected the bodies of Capt Kernal Sher Khan and another Shaheed that came from india... so shut ur bloody mouth......as for Mr Kalia there is no proof tht PA tortured him
 
It took you some time, didn't it? and you got my point. back to topic as you siad in your post that india made some noise at that time and nothing happneded, what do you expect would happen now after 13 years? Nothing except creating bad taste.

took time for what ? to check the link you given ? No it didn't it only took those few seconds it took load it.:p:

It is obvious that pak army did a war crime , and his father and India wants to punish those who did it, and a official apology from pak army side.

We might or might not succeed but we still have the satisfaction of standing up for a brave son of India.
 
Oh shut ur trap we didnt disown any of our soldiers.... my father himself collected the bodies of Capt Kernal Sher Khan and another Shaheed that came from india... so shut ur bloody mouth......as for Mr Kalia there is no proof tht PA tortured him

It is well known that pak refused to acknowledge its involvement. Even the names of your dead soldiers was released as late as 2008. Your PM crying in front of the world media about how no pak soldiers are involved and all of them being mujahideens is well known. Pak army refusing to accept the bodies of many of your men who were sent to their deaths by your army in an ill conceived, dim witted operation is also well known. India having to do their last rites is also well known. Your father may have collected two bodies, but the bodies of many others who died were buried honorably by India, with full regards to their presumed religious wishes. The kargil incursion was not done as a proper military operation by uniformed personnel, but by NLImen disguised as militants. All these are well known facts, and abusing me here won't change the facts. I don't want to descend to your level and use terms like "bloody mouth" since it doesn't prove a point, other than displaying your frustrations, just as kidnapping and mutilating a soldier doesn't eventually win you a war or territory, but merely exposes your hatred.
 
seriously a father still greiving over his sons death in a war- what was he expecting- he will be shooting bullets and we will shower flowers- you guys set new precedents always-

thousand soldies dies in combat- the news is given to their families and they feel proud- this father still whines-

He did not cross the LOC and shooted bullets! And there is Geneva rules as how one should treat the POW! India did not do anything with 90,000 POW in 1971!

Anyways Indian army riveted in the ***** of 1999 explorer *****!
 
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