deckingraj
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@Ice_Man...
Though i would have liked to see any wording of your that i played with but fir now seems we are back to square one ...I have noticed that you sometime dont answer to my direct questions...It would easy for us to discuss if you can answer me direct questions and also reply to them...Anyways let's try once again...
No...You are wrong here...You cannot say same about punjab or Karachi because unlike Kasmir you have accepted them as integral parts of each other country...Now tomorrow if i stand and say Washington DC is an integral part of india...I will considered as idiot....I hope you see the difference.
Again your emphasis is more on wording...Let me ask you something here...why do think we have a dispute on Kashmir??? If you sincerely answer that you will find why India and Pak are saying what they are saying. Now on the talking table you will present your stand and other side will refute it with why they think your stand is not correct and then you will come up with some magic formulae to solve the issue with a resolution that is acceptable to both...
NOw i have asked you many times giving away ***(Azad Kasmir) even after saying J&k is our integral part means no concession to you???
One more food for thought...India always said that Kashmir is an integral part but still we had so many rounds of Talk...what does that imply...may be people who are trying to resolve the issue don't percieve it as end of discussion...what say???
I never said that you are not arguing about whole kashmir..We are in agreement there...
When did i say that Indian proof's should be considered as Bible...But when neutral partires also say the same but Pakistan has different stand how the hell you think anyone can trust you are sincere about punishing him???
Also there is one difference here...These people have commited crimes(my opinion) in my country and have nothing to do with pakistan...Mr Saeed is a pakistani national who have commited crimes in my country and is still free in PAK...
Great..if your stand is same then we are in agreement...Now lack of proof or lack of will only time will tell...
Though i would have liked to see any wording of your that i played with but fir now seems we are back to square one ...I have noticed that you sometime dont answer to my direct questions...It would easy for us to discuss if you can answer me direct questions and also reply to them...Anyways let's try once again...
listen to your point what is your point? kashmir is india's integral part....ok then if you say that then i guess the argument can't be done because tomorrow (FOR EXAMPLE)you will have a complete right to comment about punjab or karachi or NWFP or balochistan! which my friend NO country can because integral parts are internal matter of a country!!!!
No...You are wrong here...You cannot say same about punjab or Karachi because unlike Kasmir you have accepted them as integral parts of each other country...Now tomorrow if i stand and say Washington DC is an integral part of india...I will considered as idiot....I hope you see the difference.
india says KASHMIR is our part & pakistan says its ours! but if one of us says hey its my integral part then there is no point in "DISCUSSING" cuz you are not claiming a stand you are stating....i say their is no Azad Kashmir their is no Indian Held kashmir....its a disputed territory which both are holding onto and an agreement for the WHOLE needs to be done not just a specific part of it!
Again your emphasis is more on wording...Let me ask you something here...why do think we have a dispute on Kashmir??? If you sincerely answer that you will find why India and Pak are saying what they are saying. Now on the talking table you will present your stand and other side will refute it with why they think your stand is not correct and then you will come up with some magic formulae to solve the issue with a resolution that is acceptable to both...
NOw i have asked you many times giving away ***(Azad Kasmir) even after saying J&k is our integral part means no concession to you???
One more food for thought...India always said that Kashmir is an integral part but still we had so many rounds of Talk...what does that imply...may be people who are trying to resolve the issue don't percieve it as end of discussion...what say???
I am surpised you can see them as contradicting...Kashmir is our integral part thats our stand...but how can be its just an internal problem when we have border dispute with a neighbouring country and fought 4 wars with it??? Balochistan is an example of internal problem...Another example of bilateral issue would be AP..India says its an integral part but does that mean while settling border dispute with china AP is not discussed???ok you contradicting yourself here buddy "KASHMIR IS OUR INTEGRAL PART" & "KASHMIR IS NOT OUR INTERNAL PROBLEM"
You are wrong here. If this is your personal opinion then i have no issues with it...But both governments dont see it like that...Thats why we had full fledge war in 1965...Kargil almost brought us close to it..and surgical strikes in *** after mumbai would have surely resulted in full fledge war...Now if it completelt legitimate to corss LOC then why the heck there is any LOC...we should keep fighting all the time to get more and more area...Does it sound OK to you??and as for LoC right now that you have established that LoC is located in a part where whoever controls whichever sector that's his.... because after all kashmir is a disputed territory....so YES you can cross over and come into Azad kashmir by all means!!!! no issues there buddy! its currently neither ours nor your's!!!!
and as for AZAAD KASHMIR it has its own government it has its own federal burea and everything! it is more like a seperate state the only thing that might people into believing that it is our part is the fact that our army is guarding its borders from the indians!!!
so yes when i argue about kashmir i am also counting the AZAAD KASHMIR as an area that needs to be discussed!
I never said that you are not arguing about whole kashmir..We are in agreement there...
ok again you are ranting your lines....their is no proof about MODI's involvement because babu bajrangi testifying is not ample proof....Bal Thackrey and shiv sena demolishing BABRI MASJID is not proof BUT wait a sec indian giving proof of of SAEED's involvement should be accepted as bible! and it is the ultimate prooof!!!!
When did i say that Indian proof's should be considered as Bible...But when neutral partires also say the same but Pakistan has different stand how the hell you think anyone can trust you are sincere about punishing him???
Also there is one difference here...These people have commited crimes(my opinion) in my country and have nothing to do with pakistan...Mr Saeed is a pakistani national who have commited crimes in my country and is still free in PAK...
If you are saying no international agencies did paralled investigation on mumbai then i am sorry my friend i cant say much..In case you genuinely dont know just google it you will find plenty of reports...hey indian investigation agencies can't find "proof" against modi,tytlr,advani,bal thackrey BUT they have found proof against SAEED....and international agencies?? what international agencies u talking about?
well you answered your own question lack of proof!!!! and please name international agencies that you referring to!! and my stand on him is the same as your stand on tytler,modi,thackrey!
Great..if your stand is same then we are in agreement...Now lack of proof or lack of will only time will tell...
Comon...i have shown you disimilarities between Siachen and Kargil.. Answer them and you will the difference...but i suspect you would...becuase it might delute your stand...well.... you didn't respect the LoC by crossing SIACHEN.....we followed suite by crossing into kargil......