JuD will continue to operate in Pakistan: Spokesperson

[acid rain]

UN never accepted anything of the sort. Americans were themselves involved in it in the 80's, that's what they accepted. Terrorist organizations are operating from Pakistan in the same way the Bodos and Maoists are operating from India or the Paris shooters were operating inside France. Has nothing to do with state-sponsorship.

Good luck trying to grow apples from a banana tree.

Many international citizens died in the Mumbai attack and all these countries were involved in the probe - India and US was at the forefront....here's ban ki moons statement declaring him a UN designated terrorist and asking pakistan to take action.

'Pak. should act against Hafiz Saeed' - The Hindu: Mobile Edition

 

[TankMan]

We thought Pakistan's stance including the courts was that JUD and HS as its leader were not involved in terrorism...

So why has Pakistan banned the organization? Seems we dont need to provide the proof as your govt. agrees with our assertion..

It was banned in compliance with the new laws against instigation and hate speech. He doesn't have to be involved in terrorism to violate those new laws. So you do need to provide proof and no our government does not agree with that assertion.

 

[Areesh]

He is not a terrorist sympathizer.. Where as you are. As you yourself admitted.

I said if I am then so is your defense minister as he has openly wished to use terrorists against Pakistan. I am only wishing for a charity organization to continue its operations. Something far better than your terror sympathizing minister.

I don't understand what you have written. All I am saying is that instead of wasting time here, go and join prof Hafiz saeeds Jud. Help them in all the noble causes.

Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[TankMan]

Bodos and Maoist are not attacking its neighbors, where are LeT/JuD are.

That is why JuD/LeT are UN designated terrorist organisations, yet common Pakistanis continue to support these terrorists, as is evident in this very thread itself.

The Maoists were actively and properly fighting the Nepalese for a long time. The Bodos probably would be doing the same if they were near volatile border regions.

There is no evidence linking JuD to LeT - we do not support terrorists and neither do we support instigators, but we don't support unscrupulous attempts to constantly damage our country either.

 

[Peshwa]

It was banned in compliance with the new laws against instigation and hate speech. He doesn't have to be involved in terrorism to violate those new laws. So you do need to provide proof and no our government does not agree with that assertion.

BS...
Please show me where it states that JUD was banned under the "new law"..

As far as all news reports are stating, JUD has been banned under the UN committment which declares it a terror outfit...and has been clubbed with the likes of the Haqqani network.

So the way I see it, Pakistan sees it as a Terror outfit as well..

 

[TankMan]

.have you seen Indians supporting TTP on this forum, or even Indian government supporting TTP?

Indians have been supporting Baloch militants and all kinds of terrorists for a long time now, if not the TTP by name.

 

[ares]

It was banned in compliance with the new laws against instigation and hate speech. He doesn't have to be involved in terrorism to violate those new laws. So you do need to provide proof and no our government does not agree with that assertion.

NO, It was banned because ,UN had declared it a terrorist organisation as per Pakistani foreign office.
Where as UN declared it a terrorist organisation because it was involved in terrorist attacks on India.
It has nothing to do with "hate speeches "

FO spokesperson Tasneem Aslam, however, underscored today that Pakistan's decision was driven by UN obligations and not under pressure from any other quarter, including John Kerry.

India and the United States had since long been demanding that JuD chief Hafiz Saeed be taken to task for his alleged involvement in the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks.

 

[Peshwa]

Indians have been supporting Baloch militants and all kinds of terrorists for a long time now, if not the TTP by name.

Then its best for your country to take this up with the UN and get whichever organization in India that supports it banned no?

 

[ares]

Indians have been supporting Baloch militants and all kinds of terrorists for a long time now, if not the TTP by name.

Militants and not terrorist is the operating word, when they are operating Kashmir, you call them freedom fighters.
Are any of these UN designated terrorists ?

 

[Peshwa]

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There is no evidence linking JuD to LeT - we do not support terrorists and neither do we support instigators, but we don't support unscrupulous attempts to constantly damage our country either.

Clearly the UN and now your own country believes this to be true with enough evidence...
So please feel free to question them..

 

[TankMan]

BS...
Please show me where it states that JUD was banned under the "new law"..

As far as all news reports are stating, JUD has been banned under the UN committment which declares it a terror outfit...and has been clubbed with the likes of the Haqqani network.

So the way I see it, Pakistan sees it as a Terror outfit as well..

Clamping down: Fresh legislation in the works to control hate speech – The Express Tribune
National Action Plan being enforced with crackdown on militants and those spreading hatred | GulfNews.com
You're the one BSing here. JuD was clearly banned after the National Action Plan was announced and enforced, which included raids on hundreds of madrassas, mosques and even shops selling hate-speech. There is more than enough evidence to suggest that the JuD was banned solely for that.

Quote from an article on The Express Tribune:
“Under this new legislation, the expression of hate speech, threatening communication and abusive literature will be forbidden,” a senior interior ministry official told The Express Tribune. “Clerics will be barred from delivering lectures via loudspeakers in mosques and Madaris.”
Clamping down: Fresh legislation in the works to control hate speech – The Express Tribune

Quote from an article on Dawn News:
''In a significant move towards the execution of the National Action Plan against terrorism, the interior ministry has included the Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) and the Haqqani network in the list of proscribed outfits, it has been learnt.''
Haqqani network and JuD banned - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

 

[ares]

I said if I am then so is your defense minister as he has openly wished to use terrorists against Pakistan. I am only wishing for a charity organization to continue its operations. Something far better than your terror sympathizing minister.



Thanks for the suggestion.

You yourself admitted, that you support JuD ( a terrorist organisation) in this thread itself , where as Indian minister has nowhere admitted to supporting any terrorist organisation..may that be TTP or JuD.

 

[TankMan]

Then its best for your country to take this up with the UN and get whichever organization in India that supports it banned no?

It has already done that numerous times.

 

[Peshwa]

Clamping down: Fresh legislation in the works to control hate speech – The Express Tribune
Quote from an article on Dawn News:
''In a significant move towards the execution of the National Action Plan against terrorism, the interior ministry has included the Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) and the Haqqani network in the list of proscribed outfits, it has been learnt.''
Haqqani network and JuD banned - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Did you forget to look at that little word called "Terrorism" after the National Action Plan? highlighted above

Also, nowhere does it state that JUD was banned for the "hate speech" or "instigation" specifically...
In fact your spokesperson is on record saying that it was under the commitment of the UN where JUD was declared a terrorist outfit that this move was made...

FO spokesperson Tasneem Aslam, however, underscored today that Pakistan's decision was driven by UN obligations and not under pressure from any other quarter, including John Kerry.

Show me otherwise..

It has already done that numerous times.

Well then that should be enough to tell you that your allegations are baseless if no one believes the evidence..
On the other hand, the UN banned JUD with our evidence....what does that tell you eh?

 

[TankMan]

Did you forget to look at that little word called "Terrorism" after the National Action Plan? highlighted above

Also, nowhere does it state that JUD was banned for the "hate speech" or "instigation" specifically...
In fact your spokesperson is on record saying that it was under the commitment of the UN where JUD was declared a terrorist outfit that this move was made...

Show me otherwise..

The National Action Plan also includes hate speech laws, as shown in the quote below this one. If it does not say JuD was banned for hate speech or instigation, neither does it say JuD was banned for terrorism specifically.
Where did our spokesperson say it was a terrorist outfit? The word being used is 'proscribed'. Applies to a lot of things.

But what exactly are you trying to argue here? Are you arguing that Pakistan does NOT support terrorism? Wow, that must be a first for your kind of Indians, taking a rational stance. Or are you stuck in one of those 'duck - rabbit - duck -rabbit - rabbit - duck' things?

Either ways, JuD is involved in certain objectionable things (aside from the alleged terrorism), such as hate speech and quite a lot of mullah-cracy, which we don't appreciate (I personally never did). The ban is a reasonable action but since there isn't enough evidence to arrest them, statements like in the OP would, as expected, be floating around.

Well then that should be enough to tell you that your allegations are baseless if no one believes the evidence..

Chuck Hagel seems to believe it. And the Balochi groups are banned and designated as terrorist groups the Taliban already are. What do you expect the UN to do if it was convinced by the evidence, ban India?
Balochistan Liberation Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia