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He never said those words and the fact you are inability to show me the quote (despite being asked repeatedly) "where he supports the use of terrorists against neighbors. "Proves that you have nothing to show, but your own hypothesis on what he might have meant.

It is there in the post 23. Go check it. Here it is.

You again asking me show me where he said that. Just shows you didn't debunk anything and your clams of debunking are a lie and you are trying hard to run away from the fact that you are being ruled by terrorist sympathizers too other than terrorists themselves.

Since your question is predicated on you being able to prove your initial hypothesis(which you are not able to)..hence the question is invalid.

As shown above. You didn't debunk anything. So coming back to the question. With India being ruled by terrorists sympathizers what should we call India as a state?

PS: Looks like I would have to answer this question myself. :)

@Abu Zolfiqar
Video is now up on Dailymotion, for Pakistanis' convenience

Brilliant. :tup:
 
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i'm the one who shared the bloody video, obviously i watched it

On this forum, when it comes to Pakistanis and Obvious, they wouldn't know it if it smacked em in the head...
so i have to do the due diligence..


well actually it kind of does, since in his capacity he's speaking on behalf of the Govt. of the U.S. and he clearly stated that there is no evidence that can lead to his prosecution.....now as far as india is concerned and leaving alone the U.S. - india also has no evidence either. All they can grieve about are that he makes anti-india or pro-Kashmiri remarks and speeches. In Pakistan (where he is located) - anti-indian or pro-Kashmiri speeches are not against the law. The same way it's not against the law when RSS/BJP goons make incendiary speeches against Pakistan.

Are we still talking about HS?
Didnt I clarify that JUD is what we are discussing?

Did any members of the JuD even own up to the Bomb Bay attacks? Terrorist organizations will always gladly take responsibility for their acts (like what ISIS or boko haram would do). Whereas the head of the JuD himself condemned the attack and has vehemently denied any responsibility of him or his organization. This he stated in a BBC interview - need the link to that as well?

Please share this terrorist protocol handbook with us...
Some of us in countries not gripped by terrorism to the level of Pakistan do not have access to the same..

Well then India condemning all the terrorist activities in Pak including the Peshawar attack should be enough evidence for you all to Shut up about Indian involvement no?
But yet here we are...

I have to run, but will reply to the rest of the posts when Im back...
 
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It is there in the post 23. Go check it. Here it is.

You again asking me show me where he said that. Just shows you didn't debunk anything and your clams of debunking are a lie and you are trying hard to run away from the fact that you are being ruled by terrorist sympathizers too other than terrorists themselves.

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As shown above. You didn't debunk anything. So coming back to the question. With India being ruled by terrorists sympathizers what should we call India as a state?

PS: Looks like I would have to answer this question myself. :)

NO, it is isn't I am asking you for a specific quote, where he is asking to support any terrorist organisation, where as you are giving me generic quote , where he is asking use those, who are acting against us.

You can ask and answer your own question, does not mean squat.
 
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On what basis was it baseless? Can you expand on it?
It is baseless on that there isn't any evidence 'that is admissible in any form of court', as per the US State Dept. itself.
Also, as I Pakistani, I would expect you to show the same judgement when talking about the non binding resolution on Kashmiri plebiscite...although off topic, it is imp to point out the hypocrisy..
I never used the non-binding resolution on Kashmiri plebiscite in any argument. Your 'pointing out' is redundant.
Against HS...
I do not believe that HS personal assets can be frozen because of him being part of JUD..
The evidence required is to implicate him...the organization was already deemed terrorist.
If there is evidence that JuD is a terrorist organization and HS is the leader, by definition there is evidence against HS too. This argument is worthless, it's going in circles. It's already established that they don't have evidence against HS, so does that mean they don't have evidence against JuD or is HS not the leader of JuD? if he is the leader of a terrorist organisation his assets can definitely be frozen.
 
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Impact of pakistan sponsored terrorists killing a few indians now and then vs impact of pakistan's designation in popular opinion as a spndoer of terror.

I guess Indians are happy with the direction pakistan is going, and if this is anything to go by, then pakistanis too.

Eutopia :)
 
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Pakistan Says Action Taken. JuD Chief Hafiz Saeed Still Holds Rally
World | Reported by Yusra Askari, Edited by Anindita Sanyal (With inputs from IANS) | Updated: January 23, 2015 00:20 IST


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Jamat ud-Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed held a rally in Karachi today, despite Pakistan claiming that it had frozen the organisation's assets for terrorism links. (Associated Press)

ISLAMABAD: The Jamat ud-Dawa headed by 26/11 mastermind Hafiz Saeed, whose assets have reportedly been frozen by Pakistan, held a rally in Pakistan's Karachi this afternoon.

Pakistan's action came following US pressure ahead of US President Barack Obama's visit to India.

"Pakistan, as a member of the United Nations is under obligations to proscribe the entities and individuals that are listed. We take our obligations very seriously," Tasnim Aslam, spokesperson of Pakistan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a statement today. "Once any individuals and organizations are proscribed by the UN, we are required to freeze their assets and enforce travel restrictions. We take that action."In an e-mailed official reaction, JuD accused Pakistan of banning the organisation under pressure from the US to "please India", reported news agency India Abroad News Service.

The JuD spokesperson defended the group, saying the Lahore High Court and the Supreme Court had issued verdicts in favour of allowing JuD to operate in the past and based on these verdicts, the organisation vowed to continue on its "charity work", IANS reported.

Last week, Union Home Minister Rajnath Singh said Pakistan was not "mending its ways".
Saeed, who has a $10 million bounty on his head, gets a free run in Pakistan, holding public rallies and giving interviews in which he rails against India.

In December, he blamed India for the Taliban terror attack on a school in Peshawar and vowed revenge. The address to his followers had been aired by Pakistan's national television.

In 2008, the United Nations said the JuD is a front for the terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba, which planned and executed the attack in Mumbai, which left 166 people dead. The US State Department declared the JUD a "foreign terrorist organisation" last year.

The Lashkar founder claims he has long abandoned its leadership and now heads JuD, which is involved in humanitarian and charity work.
Story First Published: January 22, 2015 21:12 IST
 
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Alarmingly the indian national security advisor, namely 'ajit doval' once stated, india should look to cooperate with folks that are aiding and abetting terrorism within Pakistan. Whether or not he was in office then, makes little to no difference, the fact remains that he held those views and is now the designated national security advisor. The man himself professed that "we can work on destabilising Pakistan's internal security, whether it be through Afghanistan or through Pakistan directly", "we can hurt them by making it difficult for them to manage internal security" with the added connotations of despicably sponsoring terrorism in the form of TTP, which is a prime example. Additionally, "you do one Mumbai and you may lose Balochistan". Achieve this how?, by sponsoring, arming and shockingly funding those people that have been declared 'terrorists' by the state. There is no alternative way of Pakistan successfully conceding Balochistan, the one and only modus-operandi being wrongly utilised is, by funding those 'separatists' that are known to commit relentless terrorism.

Furthermore, it is no secret, this heinous-policy is in fact already being employed by india, there is a plethora of compelling-evidence available within Pakistan, yet india outright rejects/shuns plain facts and constantly thrives and leans on acute denial. Meanwhile, india continues with it's inexplicable, virulent, malevolent, incessant propaganda against Pakistan, as seen by the recent 'terror boat' farce. The former US secretary of defence 'Chuck Hagel' upholds this assertion, he once acquiescently proclaimed, on record, that India is "using Afghanistan as a second front against Pakistan", its no state secret that india is "financing and fuelling, problems within Pakistan in many dimensions and facets". Today we can vividly, unambiguously, unequivocally see what those 'problems' that have been financed by india as discussed and exhausted many times already.

What's more, the status quo/juxtaposition which has come to the fore recently, has raised many eyebrows- as Pakistan is lauded for relentlessly, tenaciously, decimating the indian sponsored terror- sanctuaries, india zealously, with great fervour violates the ceasefire on an unprecedented scale, in its greater effort to disrupt the successful, yet on going anti-terror operation, by stretching the armed forces of Pakistan further and promoting anarchy. Coupling all of the above, with a possible terrorist as india's leader, who was once banned from entering the 'land of opportunity' before his very questionable acquittal, he is now at the helm of the largest pseudo-secular country that is india, along with the national security advisor 'ajit doval' who expressed his desire to cooperate with designated terrorists as a policy-reorientation, in india's insatiable, ever-growing effort to destabilise their neighbour. This makes for an undeniably, unhealthy and lethal combination with the worst connotations for Asia. This bane-policy being employed by the 'largest democracy' could spell terrible consequences for the region/beyond, thus it is imperative that india is globally exposed for its duplicity and crimes against humanity. It is therefore needless to say, when dealing with india, Pakistan needs to manage its expectations as their neighbour's intent is deep-rooted in the pits of negativity. Pakistan will not succumb to the growing menace of terrorism, rather it is leading from the front in it's endeavour to annihilate this scourge. Once the on-going, operation reaches its 'summit', it is wholly-conceivable that the Pakistani-incumbents can look to 'take the bull by its horns' and not only promote much needed stability within the country, but a potential economic 'takeoff' in due-course can be expected.
 
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On this forum, when it comes to Pakistanis and Obvious, they wouldn't know it if it smacked em in the head...

Yes. Says the bureaucratic indian


Please share this terrorist protocol handbook with us...
Some of us in countries not gripped by terrorism to the level of Pakistan do not have access to the same..

I'll answer that with a question --> What is the internationally accepted definition of a terrorist? Generally what are the objectives when planning/executing a terrorist attack?


Well then India condemning all the terrorist activities in Pak including the Peshawar attack should be enough evidence for you all to Shut up about Indian involvement no?

that's cute - except we're talking about terrorist organizations not countries
 
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Do you actually believe the BS that you type?. Sometimes i wonder what these indian-trolls look like who spout such propagandist statements. If i were you though, i wouldn't upload your picture mr patel, might get banned for uploading graphic content.

On a side note, no amount of evidence will prove to be enough for your scrapyard of a country. 'Denial isn't a river in Egypt' son. The sole, exclusive reason, why Pakistan finds it somewhat challenging to expose india, is owing to it's less than accurate global image. I am reasonably sure time will change that. Also according to @Us_statedept_former (member here), the US overlooks indian-sponsored-terrorism, for monetary gains by engaging with india.

You going to watch the Indian Republic Day parade and see President Obama later announce a sleuth of bilateral deals with India, making America as the No1 partner with most expansive ties with India? :lol:
 
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You're still breathing grandpa?!

You going to watch the Indian Republic Day parade and see President Obama later announce a sleuth of bilateral deals with India, making America as the No1 partner with most expansive ties with India? :lol:
 
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Alarmingly the indian national security advisor, namely 'ajit doval' once stated, india should look to cooperate with folks that are aiding and abetting terrorism within Pakistan. Whether or not he was in office then, makes little to no difference, the fact remains that he held those views and is now the designated national security advisor. The man himself professed that "we can work on destabilising Pakistan's internal security, whether it be through Afghanistan or through Pakistan directly", "we can hurt them by making it difficult for them to manage internal security" with the added connotations of despicably sponsoring terrorism in the form of TTP, which is a prime example. Additionally, "you do one Mumbai and you may lose Balochistan". Achieve this how?, by sponsoring, arming and shockingly funding those people that have been declared 'terrorists' by the state. There is no alternative way of Pakistan successfully conceding Balochistan, the one and only modus-operandi being wrongly utilised is, by funding those 'separatists' that are known to commit relentless terrorism.

Furthermore, it is no secret, this heinous-policy is in fact already being employed by india, there is a plethora of compelling-evidence available within Pakistan, yet india outright rejects/shuns plain facts and constantly thrives and leans on acute denial. Meanwhile, india continues with it's inexplicable, virulent, malevolent, incessant propaganda against Pakistan, as seen by the recent 'terror boat' farce. The former US secretary of defence 'Chuck Hagel' upholds this assertion, he once acquiescently proclaimed, on record, that India is "using Afghanistan as a second front against Pakistan", its no state secret that india is "financing and fuelling, problems within Pakistan in many dimensions and facets". Today we can vividly, unambiguously, unequivocally see what those 'problems' that have been financed by india as discussed and exhausted many times already.

What's more, the status quo/juxtaposition which has come to the fore recently, has raised many eyebrows- as Pakistan is lauded for relentlessly, tenaciously, decimating the indian sponsored terror- sanctuaries, india zealously, with great fervour violates the ceasefire on an unprecedented scale, in its greater effort to disrupt the successful, yet on going anti-terror operation, by stretching the armed forces of Pakistan further and promoting anarchy. Coupling all of the above, with a possible terrorist as india's leader, who was once banned from entering the 'land of opportunity' before his very questionable acquittal, he is now at the helm of the largest pseudo-secular country that is india, along with the national security advisor 'ajit doval' who expressed his desire to cooperate with designated terrorists as a policy-reorientation, in india's insatiable, ever-growing effort to destabilise their neighbour. This makes for an undeniably, unhealthy and lethal combination with the worst connotations for Asia. This bane-policy being employed by the 'largest democracy' could spell terrible consequences for the region/beyond, thus it is imperative that india is globally exposed for its duplicity and crimes against humanity. It is therefore needless to say, when dealing with india, Pakistan needs to manage its expectations as their neighbour's intent is deep-rooted in the pits of negativity. Pakistan will not succumb to the growing menace of terrorism, rather it is leading from the front in it's endeavour to annihilate this scourge. Once the on-going, operation reaches its 'summit', it is wholly-conceivable that the Pakistani-incumbents can look to 'take the bull by its horns' and not only promote much needed stability within the country, but a potential economic 'takeoff' in due-course can be expected.


To the Indians here,

On behalf of actual decent Americans, please accept our apologies for this gentleman's behaviour and his often racist taunts and shrills. The extent of his fixation and obsession against India was telling when chose the handle name " folkIndia". Now for some reason Indians have irked this very angry Pakistani gentleman. But since he wears our flag I thought to apologize to the Indians here for his behaviour. I'm quite sure the majority of decent Pakistanis, as I know them to be, are not keen about his often racist rants.

I suggest you just let him wallow in the filth he surrounds himself with and take some solitude that you guys have got to him,badly.

You're still breathing grandpa?!

;) as long as you stay away from Time square I'm alive and kickin

india sponsors terrorism within the borders of Pakistan, it is no secret. 'Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house'. india and morality?, Good joke.

Pakistan's army is actively decimating terrorists of "of all hues and colours". Your country's TTP sponsoring is now faltering. Your argument doesn't negate mine, as i stated 'don't throw stones when you live in a glass house', i'm reasonably sure you know what i meant by that. Sure, as it stands, Pakistan doesn't have the 'merriest' of image globally, i'm optimistic time will change all that. The Pakistani army has a plethora of evidence to successfully link india with terrorism within the borders of Pakistan. However, no amount of evidence will be accepted by india given their vast denial history. (Unfortunately i can't post links given that i'm new here). Now your country can go engage in some more 'false flag' operations like the 'terror boat' fiasco. Pakistan needs to expose india globally. However, given that their image isn't the best when looking at the wider world, may prove to be a challenge. That's the difference.

Do you actually believe the BS that you type?. Sometimes i wonder what these indian-trolls look like who spout such propagandist statements. If i were you though, i wouldn't upload your picture mr patel, might get banned for uploading graphic content.

On a side note, no amount of evidence will prove to be enough for your scrapyard of a country. 'Denial isn't a river in Egypt' son. The sole, exclusive reason, why Pakistan finds it somewhat challenging to expose india, is owing to it's less than accurate global image. I am reasonably sure time will change that. Also according to @Us_statedept_former (member here), the US overlooks indian-sponsored-terrorism, for monetary gains by engaging with india.

india is no position to talk. Modi is your leader, whom i'd like to reiterate was banned from the US owing to his strong hand in the Gujarat terror fiasco, before his dubious acquittal. That is the joke that is india. Land of a billion 'untouchables'. What were you inferior indians talking about? Morality? Yep that doesn't exist in india i'm afraid.

....While india bitches/moans, perpetually violates the ceasefire, Pakistan zealously continues it's anti-terror escapades without any discrimination. Says a lot.

You are a terrorist sympathiser, who fails to accept and overlooks indian sponsored terrorism within Pakistan, a neighbour which has declared war on terrorism, within its soil. So i suggest you go troll elsewhere, you're clearly a terrorist sympathiser. Continue with your delusions, you scumbag.

India is a nation who creates mass hysteria, just look at their less than dire history. I would urge you to pay special attention to their recent 'terror boat' antics, that bore no fruit, they can't be trusted. Also india continue's to violate the ceasefire as Pakistan zealously destroys their terror-infrastructure. It is pertinent to mention, the indian defence minister expressed his desire to support terrorists within Pakistan previously.

Alarmingly the indian national security advisor, namely 'ajit doval' once stated, india should look to cooperate with folks that are aiding and abetting terrorism within Pakistan. Whether or not he was in office then, makes little to no difference, the fact remains that he held those views and is now the designated national security advisor. The man himself professed that "we can work on destabilising Pakistan's internal security, whether it be through Afghanistan or through Pakistan directly", "we can hurt them by making it difficult for them to manage internal security" with the added connotations of despicably sponsoring terrorism in the form of TTP, which is a prime example. Additionally, "you do one Mumbai and you may lose Balochistan". Achieve this how?, by sponsoring, arming and shockingly funding those people that have been declared 'terrorists' by the state. There is no alternative way of Pakistan successfully conceding Balochistan, the one and only modus-operandi being wrongly utilised is, by funding those 'separatists' that are known to commit relentless terrorism.

Furthermore, it is no secret, this heinous-policy is in fact already being employed by india, there is a plethora of compelling-evidence available within Pakistan, yet india outright rejects/shuns plain facts and constantly thrives and leans on acute denial. Meanwhile, india continues with it's inexplicable, virulent, malevolent, incessant propaganda against Pakistan, as seen by the recent 'terror boat' farce. The former US secretary of defence 'Chuck Hagel' upholds this assertion, he once acquiescently proclaimed, on record, that India is "using Afghanistan as a second front against Pakistan", its no state secret that india is "financing and fuelling, problems within Pakistan in many dimensions and facets". Today we can vividly, unambiguously, unequivocally see what those 'problems' that have been financed by india as discussed and exhausted many times already.

What's more, the status quo/juxtaposition which has come to the fore recently, has raised many eyebrows- as Pakistan is lauded for relentlessly, tenaciously, decimating the indian sponsored terror- sanctuaries, india zealously, with great fervour violates the ceasefire on an unprecedented scale, in its greater effort to disrupt the successful, yet on going anti-terror operation, by stretching the armed forces of Pakistan further and promoting anarchy. Coupling all of the above, with a possible terrorist as india's leader, who was once banned from entering the 'land of opportunity' before his very questionable acquittal, he is now at the helm of the largest pseudo-secular country that is india, along with the national security advisor 'ajit doval' who expressed his desire to cooperate with designated terrorists as a policy-reorientation, in india's insatiable, ever-growing effort to destabilise their neighbour. This makes for an undeniably, unhealthy and lethal combination with the worst connotations for Asia. This bane-policy being employed by the 'largest democracy' could spell terrible consequences for the region/beyond, thus it is imperative that india is globally exposed for its duplicity and crimes against humanity. It is therefore needless to say, when dealing with india, Pakistan needs to manage its expectations as their neighbour's intent is deep-rooted in the pits of negativity. Pakistan will not succumb to the growing menace of terrorism, rather it is leading from the front in it's endeavour to annihilate this scourge. Once the on-going, operation reaches its 'summit', it is wholly-conceivable that the Pakistani-incumbents can look to 'take the bull by its horns' and not only promote much needed stability within the country, but a potential economic 'takeoff' in due-course can be expected.

Fun Fact: A day later & still 1 out of 195
 
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To all the humble Pakistani members here.

On behalf of actual decent Americans, please accept our apologies for this gentleman's behaviour and his often racist taunts and shrills. The extent of his anti-Pakistan fixation may be reflective of this terrorist-sympathising-imbecile's upbringing and the acquitances this scum chooses to make. Now for some unknown reasons, Pakistani members seemed to have irked this very angry indian gentleman (Mr Singh). But since he wears our flag I thought to apologize to the Pakistani's here for his behaviour. I'm quite sure the majority of decent indians as I know them to be, are not keen about his often racist/disparaging rants towards Pakistan.
I suggest you just let him wallow in the filth he surrounds himself with and take some solitude that you guys have got to him, badly. After all this despicable member of society, wrongfully stated and supported the notion that the US overlooks indian sponsored terrorism, for monetary gains, none of which aligns with our policy in any way or is somehow a reflection of our society.

Ps. Let this terrorist sympathiser (Mr Singh) who cannot keep his perpetual- bias aside and spouts incessant venom against Pakistan wrongfully. I sincerely apologise on his behalf, if any Pakistani member could kindly fund this terrorist sympathiser's (possible extremist) psychiatric treatment, it would mean one less terrorist rodent like him roaming free in the world.Thank you.

Fun fact: This member (US_statedept_former) is often left reeling after he fails to troll and is humiliated in most of his debates. Like the one i had with him. He now sees it fit to harass me. (Mods can you kindly take a closer look at this potential extremist-terrorist sympathiser 'Mr Singh').



You going to watch the Indian Republic Day parade and see President Obama later announce a sleuth of bilateral deals with India, making America as the No1 partner with most expansive ties with India? :lol:
 
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To all the humble Pakistani members here.

On behalf of actual decent Americans, please accept our apologies for this gentleman's behaviour and his often racist taunts and shrills. The extent of his anti-Pakistan fixation may be reflective of this terrorist-sympathising-imbecile's upbringing and the acquitances this scum chooses to make. Now for some unknown reasons, Pakistani members seemed to have irked this very angry indian gentleman (Mr Singh). But since he wears our flag I thought to apologize to the Pakistani's here for his behaviour. I'm quite sure the majority of decent indians as I know them to be, are not keen about his often racist/disparaging rants towards Pakistan.
I suggest you just let him wallow in the filth he surrounds himself with and take some solitude that you guys have got to him,badly. After all this despicable member of society, wrongfully stated and supported the notion that the US overlooks indian sponsored terrorism, for monetary gains, none of which aligns with our policy in any way or is somehow a reflection of our society.

Ps. Let this terrorist sympathiser (Mr Singh) who cannot keep his perpetual bias aside and spouts venom against Pakistan wrongfully. I sincerely apologise on his behalf, if any Pakistani member could kindly fund this terrorist sympathiser's psychiatric treatment, it would mean one less rodent roaming free in the world.Thank you.

No originality, had to piggyback off my post . tsk tsk

Not surprising since you parrot the conspiracists and never have an original thought here.

1 out of 195. You are shrilling and nobody's at home. :lol:
 
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To the Indians here,

On behalf of actual decent Americans, please accept our apologies for this gentleman's behaviour and his often racist taunts and shrills. The extent of his fixation and obsession against India was telling when chose the handle name " folkIndia". Now for some reason Indians have irked this very angry Pakistani gentleman. But since he wears our flag I thought to apologize to the Indians here for his behaviour. I'm quite sure the majority of decent Pakistanis, as I know them to be, are not keen about his often racist rants.

I suggest you just let him wallow in the filth he surrounds himself with and take some solitude that you guys have got to him,badly.



;) as long as you stay away from Time square I'm alive and kickin

















Fun Fact: A day later & still 1 out of 195





What's your obsession with Folkindia? Aren't you fond of freedom of expression ? You should be ashamed of yourself in indulging in personal attacks instead of countering his argument.
 
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What's your obsession with Folkindia? Aren't you fond of freedom of expression ? You should be ashamed of yourself in indulging in personal attacks instead of countering his argument.

You and I have different notions of what constitutes a personal attack. Thanks.
 
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