Jordan Pilot Burned Alive By ISIS

[Mrc]

this is the whole text from imam an nawawi and imam al qurtabi book...
interpret it in what ever way you want...
i am not justifying their crime i am just saying if such punishment is in islam we should not abuse it as it might fall under sin...

The permissibility to burn someone to death in retaliation if he burned to death one of the Muslims

Imâm An-Nawawî رحمه الله, "If the transgressor kills using a sword, then Qisâs should not be applied to him with anything other than a sword, because Allâh (Most High) says, "Then whoever transgresses the prohibition against you, you transgress likewise against him. (Quran 2:194)". And also because the sword is the lightest type of pain (i.e. causes the least amount of pain). So if he uses this to kill, but then Qisâs is applied on him with other than a sword- then the oppressed one has taken more than his legitimate right; because he only had the right to kill, yet, he not only killed, he also caused the transgressor torment.

But if the transgressor burned his victim (till death), or drowned him, or threw stones at him (till death), or threw him off a cliff, or struck him with a piece of wood (till death), or confined him (till death), or refused to give him water and food till the victim died- then it is the right of the guardian to apply Qisâs with the equal means, since Allâh says, "And if you punish (your enemy, O you believers in the Oneness of Allâh), then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted. (Quran 16:126)". And also due to what is narrated form Al-Barâ' may Allâh be pleased with him from the Prophet ﻢﻠﺳﻭ ﻪﻴﻠﻋ ﷲﺍ ﻰﻠﺻ, "Whosoever torches (a Muslim till death), then we shall also torch him; and whosoever drowns (a Muslim till death), then we shall also drown him."

And Qisâs is a matter of being equally like in retaliation, and it is perfectly possible to be equally like in retaliation with regards to these forms of Qisâs to be carried out- so it is permissible. And it is also permissible for the oppressed (in the situations just mentioned) to use a sword for Qisâs, because it is his right to kill and also torment- but if he only chooses to kill with a sword and gives up his right to torment, then this is also permissible." (End of quote from Imâm An-Nawawî رحمه الله)



Imâm Al-Qurtubî's opinion on burning the enemy to death in equal retaliation (Qisas) against the one who burns the Muslims to death

Imâm Al-Qurtubî رحمه الله said, "And the saying of Allâh: "Then whoever transgresses the prohibition against you, you transgress likewise against him."

"And if you punish (your enemy, O you believers in the Oneness of Allâh), then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted."

The Salaf have said that these Verses are all-encompassing of everything- and they supported this conclusion with the statement of the Prophet ﻰﻠﺻ ﻢﻠﺳﻭ ﻪﻴﻠﻋ ﷲﺍ, which is narrated by Abû Dâwûd, That he kept the broken plate in the home of the one who broke it and sent the intact one, and he said: "A platter for a platter and food for food"

There is no difference of opinion between the scholars, that the original base of this Verse is about being equal in Qisâs; so whosoever kills with something, then he shall be killed with the thing which he used to kill with- and this is the opinion of the majority of the scholars- as long as they do not kill with something which is a sin (Fisq), such as sodomy, consumption of alcohol- so in such cases, he should be killed with the sword. Yet the Shâfi'iyyah have the opinion that those who kill with an act of sin- they should also be killed with that same act; their opinion states that [in case of sodomy], that a rod should be forced into his anus till he dies- [in case of murder by overdose of alcohol] he should be given alcohol to quench his thirst, till his death also.

And Ibn Al-Mâjashûn 141 رحمه الله said that whoever kills by burning his victim with fire, or by poisoning him- then such a criminal should not be killed using that same way [i.e. fire or poison], because the Prophet ﻢﻠﺳﻭ ﻪﻴﻠﻋ ﷲﺍ ﻰﻠﺻ said, "None punishes with fire except Allâh"; and poison is a type of fire inside the intestines; But the majority of the scholars have said that it is permissible [to retaliate with fire] due to the generality of the Verse." 142 (End of quote from Imâm Al-Qurtubî رحمه الله)

Imam al nawawi was born in 1233. 700 years after advent of islam. He is the only author and source of this hadees. Most respectfully why no one for 700 years before him have quoted the same???

Also in your last paragraph there is another hadees " none punishes with fire except ALLAH"
This hadees has multiple sources from begining of islam and is considered authentic.
Both ahadees seem to be contrary to each other. Why should we consider the one only mentioned once after 700 years by one source only authentic and the one with multiple sources fro begining of time non authentic??
Also there is no documentation from time of RASULLAH that any one was actually punished with fire... that will also point to authenticity of hadees that none punishes with fire but ALLAH..

 

[Gazi]

I gonna say ISIS has proved to be pretty tough to handle. After so many Airstrikes and so many so much of resistance they havent been able to effect ISIS significantly. Whoever was involved behind ISIS he must be Military genius to bring out such a force which has Ability to resist.

 

[Frogman]

All Arabs besides Palestinians and ISIS are pathetic. Islamic State will remain and expand

Fixed it for you. Gratis.

 

[Falcon29]

Fixed it for you. Gratis.

ISIS is a joint Israeli-Saudi Arabian-American creation. They took necessary steps to allow extremists to enter Syria but also released extremists. Then put certain amount of arms to combat Assad regime. Knowing full well they will reach ISIS.When ISIS weakened the regime enough to a point where it could concede to the West. The alliance then embraced the Assad regime and began targeting ISIS. At same time this alliance was targeting Muslim Brotherhood all over the Arab world.

And they largely dedicate resource to propaganda war against MB. But it is backfiring. And now Arab Zionists are started to get worried. Our Prophet prophecized that Arab Zionists will get screwed then the Zionists themselves. Now Putin is also screwing the Zionists in Ukraine.

2015 will be a year of Zionist screwing.

 

[Frogman]

ISIS is a joint Israeli-Saudi Arabian-American creation. They took necessary steps to allow extremists to enter Syria but also released extremists. Then put certain amount of arms to combat Assad regime. Knowing full well they will reach ISIS.When ISIS weakened the regime enough to a point where it could concede to the West. The alliance then embraced the Assad regime and began targeting ISIS. At same time this alliance was targeting Muslim Brotherhood all over the Arab world.

And they largely dedicate resource to propaganda war against MB. But it is backfiring. And now Arab Zionists are started to get worried. Our Prophet prophecized that Arab Zionists will get screwed then the Zionists themselves. Now Putin is also screwing the Zionists in Ukraine.

2015 will be a year of Zionist screwing.

@1000 @BLACKEAGLE @Ahmed Jo @Mosamania @al-Hasani

One week he is supporting ISIS, mainly when they made gains in Iraq, he referred to them as the righteous Mujahideen. The other week he supports them in their efforts to bring down despotic regimes and monarchies because in his head that means Arabs will be free to march on Israel. Then he said he supports ISIS against the Egyptian administration, but now he thinks its a creation of Israel, SA, and the US!? So from supporter, to apologist, and now conspiracy theorist.

No one tell Hazzy that the same Putin he is lauding hates political Islamists, and is on his way to Egypt this week to expand cooperation both in the economic and defence sectors, it may disappoint him. Russian-Israeli relations may also disappoint him.

Just this Saturday:-

الدولة الإسلامية باقية وتمدد في طيز السيسي وابن برطانية

"The Islamic State will remain and expand in the arse of Elsisi and the son of the British woman"- Falcon29 on the Egypt blacklists Hamas armed wing as "terror group" thread post #2

Seek psychiatric help, man.

 

[Falcon29]

@1000 @BLACKEAGLE @Ahmed Jo @Mosamania @al-Hasani

One week he is supporting ISIS, mainly when they made gains in Iraq, he referred to them as the righteous Mujahideen. The other week he supports them in their efforts to bring down despotic regimes and monarchies because in his head that means Arabs will be free to march on Israel. Then he said he supports ISIS against the Egyptian administration, but now he thinks its a creation of Israel, SA, and the US!? So from supporter, to apologist, and now conspiracy theorist.

No one tell Hazzy that the same Putin he is lauding hates political Islamists, and is on his way to Egypt this week to expand cooperation both in the economic and defence sectors, it may disappoint him. Russian-Israeli relations may also disappoint him.

Just this Saturday:-



"The Islamic State will remain and expand in the arse of Elsisi and the son of the British woman"- Falcon29 on the Egypt blacklists Hamas armed wing as "terror group" thread post #2

Seek psychiatric help, man.

Never supported them. In Iraqi thread I wanted biased people to end bias for Maliki regime. And for Arab world, there is saying "The magic comes back to hunt the magican'. Enjoy your own creation. Only low life, and I mean low life people support Arab regimes which are nothing but pawns for foreigners. The people that work in governments are for most part ordinary people and should not be targeted. The snakes at top are behind all sufferring in Arab world. And naturally an explosion will occur as other parts of Arab world are exploding against these regimes.

Tag people all you want you little bitch, do you really think you can intimidate me? You useless sheep dog.

Kus ukht il nafadaak wa yil3an ashkalaak alwiskhah kus uhkt ahbaabk al yahood

 

[Frogman]

Never supported them. In Iraqi thread I wanted biased people to end bias for Maliki regime

No, calling them righteous mujahideen is not support nor is saying they are here to stay and will expand, that is not support at all. Just like how your comment that 'even the shia are more honorable than you' on the very same thread was not insult but a complement, because you know saving face and all that.

And for Arab world, there is saying "The magic comes back to hunt the magican'. Enjoy your own creation. Only low life, and I mean low life people support Arab regimes which are nothing but pawns for foreigners. The people that work in governments are for most part ordinary people and should not be targeted. The snakes at top are behind all sufferring in Arab world. And naturally an explosion will occur as other parts of Arab world are exploding against these regimes.

Said explosion may happen, it may not its unforeseeable, however, what assures you that the fallout will be in your favor!? Only vagabonds and murderers fill the void left by the state.

Tag people all you want you little bitch, do you really think you can intimidate me? You useless sheep dog

My intention was to mock you not intimidate you. You are rather hilarious in your delusions and views these days.

Kus ukht il nafadaak wa yil3an ashkalaak alwiskhah kus uhkt ahbaabk al yahood

See after all this time on this forum I have never personally offended you, but you have insulted my family, myself, and many other things, yet in the end you have the gall to call me a lowlife and lecture others on religion and being pure. It is the same hypocrisy that guides ISIS types to claim they are the representation of Islam on earth while violating the Quran, hadith, and fikh so blatantly.

 

[Falcon29]

No, calling them righteous mujahideen is not support nor is saying they are here to stay and will expand, that is not support at all. Just like how your comment that 'even the shia are more honorable than you' on the very same thread was not insult but a complement, because you know saving face and all that.



Said explosion may happen, it may not its unforeseeable, however, what assures you that the fallout will be in your favor!? Only vagabonds and murderers fill the void left by the state.



My intention was to mock you not intimidate you. You are rather hilarious in your delusions and views these days.



See after all this time on this forum I have never personally offended you, but you have insulted my family, myself, and many other things, yet in the end you have the gall to call me a lowlife and lecture others on religion and being pure. It is the same hypocrisy that guides ISIS types to claim they are the representation of Islam on earth while violating the Quran, hadith, and fikh so blatantly.

You just wasted all that energy and I barely read any of it.

I'm not even religious dipshit, I just hate Zionist Arabs like you.

 

[1000]

You just wasted all that energy and I barely read any of it.

I'm not even religious dipshit, I just hate Zionist Arabs like you.

Ur not religious ?

 

[Frogman]

You just wasted all that energy and I barely read any of it.

I'm not even religious dipshit, I just hate Zionist Arabs like you.

Is not reading something and therefore not comprehending something really something to be chirpy about on a forum for debate? As for energy, look at your post count and then look at mine.

Your pathological instance on lying is quite amusing. Aside from the prophesying and the endless talk of the Mahdi returning, you continually state that you support Hamas because they are the closest group to God, and implement Islam, you slam other regimes in the region for not abiding by Islam, and you continually demonise people who support secular principles. Add to that a two faced opinion on Shias, on one hand you want all sects and for people to accept 'Islam' (Sunni) and then you call upon Iranians to back you. Please, these are not the views of someone who isn't religious.

Neither is this rant:- on the Gaza Siege Exposed thread

God bless Hamas. God bless our blessed by God government and heroic warriors. For the filth that claim Hamas fights for political gain. See this you filth. You disgusting Arab Zionized filth, a fingernail of even Hamas ministry employee is worth more than the whole world. Hamas will never go down. Absolutely never.

Our military wing are God's angels on earth. You don't understand how blessed and gifted by God they are until you see for yourself and come to Gaza. They are more blessed than every entity in the world.

Talk of blessings, angels on earth, and gifts by God are not those of a man who is not religious.

Ur not religious ?

Have you not realised that Hazzy is always the opposite of what he was on another thread because it is convenient to do so in order to push his own argument?

 

[Falcon29]

Ur not religious ?

Not being religious doesn't mean I don't believe in religion. I absolutely acknowledge that the soldiers of Hamas's armed win are loved by God and are pious blessed people. I hope one day I will be as righteous and moral as they are. However, having anti-Israeli political view or realizing that Arab governments are pawns for the West doesn't require religion.

This to frogman(Fat boy who calls himself frog because he is obese) as well

Talk of blessings, angels on earth, and gifts by God are not those of a man who is not religious.

Abiding but not religious. You don't need to be religious to oppose Zionism or expose dirty Zionist agents in the Arab world. You just have to be a good person.

 

[Frogman]

Not being religious doesn't mean I don't believe in religion. I absolutely acknowledge that the soldiers of Hamas's armed win are loved by God and are pious blessed people. I hope one day I will be as righteous and moral as they are. However, having anti-Israeli political view or realizing that Arab governments are pawns for the West doesn't require religion.

This to frogman(Fat boy who calls himself frog because he is obese) as well

Then why the opposition to secularism and any other group which 'doesn't want to implement Islam'?

Abiding but not religious. You don't need to be religious to oppose Zionism or expose dirty Zionist agents in the Arab world. You just have to be a good person.

I have never seen anyone opposed to Zionist interests and Israel who isn't religious use any language of the sort and they never would. You may change your own perception on what is religious and what is not depending on your own mood and the argument, but it is obvious to everyone else on this forum that you are, and your attempts to deflect by simply saying you're an 'abiding' Muslim doesn't reflect what you write and what you believe.

 

[Aepsilons]

Then why the opposition to secularism and any other group which 'doesn't want to implement Islam'?



I have never seen anyone opposed to Zionist interests and Israel who isn't religious use any language of the sort and they never would. You may change your own perception on what is religious and what is not depending on your own mood and the argument, but it is obvious to everyone else on this forum that you are, and your attempts to deflect by simply saying you're an 'abiding' Muslim doesn't reflect what you write and what you believe.

ad iudicium

 

[Falcon29]

Then why the opposition to secularism and any other group which 'doesn't want to implement Islam'?



I have never seen anyone opposed to Zionist interests and Israel who isn't religious use any language of the sort and they never would. You may change your own perception on what is religious and what is not depending on your own mood and the argument, but it is obvious to everyone else on this forum that you are, and your attempts to deflect by simply saying you're an 'abiding' Muslim doesn't reflect what you write and what you believe.

You're a dirty Zionist yourself. Egyptian authorities need to investiage your family as there's high probability they're spying on anti-Zionist elements of Egyptian army. Of course a Zionist likes to project anti-Zionists as religious lunatics.

ad iudicium

Are you coming back for more spanking? Is that you in the avatar? What an abmissal performance in the gym.

You can't even tone your body properly.

Stop flexing your little fatty arms doofus.

I will shit on your head if you say another word.

 

[Aepsilons]

You're a dirty Zionist yourself. Egyptian authorities need to investiage your family as there's high probability they're spying on anti-Zionist elements of Egyptian army. Of course a Zionist likes to project anti-Zionists as religious lunatics.



Are you coming back for more spanking? Is that you in the avatar? What an abmissal performance in the gym.

You can't even tone your body properly.

Stop flexing your little fatty arms doofus.

I will shit on your head if you say another word.

LOL! Boy, you bes shut yo self befo ya wreck yo self.

You're a dirty Zionist yourself. Egyptian authorities need to investiage your family as there's high probability they're spying on anti-Zionist elements of Egyptian army. Of course a Zionist likes to project anti-Zionists as religious lunatics.

Am i really reading what I'm reading right now? I've never seen a person so consumed against the term "zionism" as this guy here. Seriously? You know, there is much more to life than just propagandizing , buddy.

@Frogman , I salute your decision to engage this fellow. lol.