JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[StormBreaker]

From Two-Tone Como to Airsuperiority Grey.

Bravo?

 

[razgriz19]

Can't see the pictures

From Two-Tone Como to Airsuperiority Grey.

 

[Windjammer]

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[Saifullah]

I think this can be achieved with JF-17 and F-16 currently, though not from Gwadar but from Bholari or Masroor Airbase towards Mumbai. I am not sure about Mirage-III/V.

Estimated aerial distance in N-Miles from Karachi to Mumbai is 476 NM. Thats from airport to airport.

JF-17 in A2A config can achieve combat radius of up to 620 N-Miles.
JF-17 carrying PGM can achieve combat radius of 470 N-Miles up to 620 N-Miles. (no Dog fight -Escort to handle A2A combat)

JF-17 carrying 1 x AShM can achieve combat radius of 370 N-Miles. (can fire C-802 and turn back, unless missile requires constant guidance)
2 x AShM can achieve combat radius of 250 N-Miles (limitation of carrying fuel tank can occur)


F-16 in A2A config for escort can achieve combat radius of 600 N-Miles ( 2 extra BVR AAM than JF-17)
F-16 carrying PGM can achieve combat radius of 450 N-Miles up to 810 N-Miles (configuration dependent but minimum 2 x Aim-9, Targeting pod and 2 x PGM)

Ranges of missiles would matter though. The ones i know for surface strike mission are AGM-65 for F-16. JF-17 fires DEAD missile and AShM, unless im missing any other missiles for both.

I think the longest range of A2G missile that PAF F-16 carries is around 25 km (2.5 N-Miles). Officially AGM-84 and AGM-88 are not in PAF inventory for F-16.
JF-17 carries longest range missile as AShM ( C-802 or CM-400) aorund 65 N-Miles to 135 N-Miles. C-400 states longer ranges, so above 135 N-Miles even.

This leaves Mirage-III/V ranges. If combat radius are comparable to JF-17, then Mirage-III carrying Ra'ad can do the job easily, considering Mirage-III flies 176-200 N-Miles fires Ra'ad (Range of 295 N-Miles)

So DEAD Ops in question as well as induction of long range A2G surface strike missiles for F-16 and JF-17. MAR-1 has range of 30 -50 N-Miles.

Combat radius data from:

JF-17
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf-17s-ferry-and-combat-ranges.462726/

F-16
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-f-16-discussions-2.15226/page-649#post-8916212

JF17 out ranges all the AC overall in PAF inventory as it has IFR with efficient engine. Put IFR in the calculations and you will get the true max range JF17 can achieve in any given mission.

 

[mshan44]

 

[denel]

Bravo?

difficult from this angle; it is the tail angle which is a giveaway; i cant be certain.

 

[GriffinsRule]

JF17 out ranges all the AC overall in PAF inventory as it has IFR with efficient engine. Put IFR in the calculations and you will get the true max range JF17 can achieve in any given mission.

Except that the range is limited due to the lack of an OBOG ... it uses compressed oxygen in a bottle to keep the pilot alive.

 

[Syed1.]

JF17 out ranges all the AC overall in PAF inventory as it has IFR with efficient engine. Put IFR in the calculations and you will get the true max range JF17 can achieve in any given mission.

Sir you think tanker will be flying side by side with the Thunders during combat mission?

 

[The Accountant]

Sir you think tanker will be flying side by side with the Thunders during combat mission?

The most of the fuel get consumed at the time of take off ... once u r up at a certain alyitude u can cruise with limited fuel

 

[ziaulislam]

The most of the fuel get consumed at the time of take off ... once u r up at a certain alyitude u can cruise with limited fuel

regardless, jf17 would need 20% fuel, thrust boast to be comparable to modern "light" fighters like gripen NG, LCA mk2(if that ever happens)..

so far I don't see that happening..
this would seriously hamper the role jf17 is being given...i.e to fight everything India has...
is PAF planning to not take jf17 III as serious contender against India main fleet and is looking for another light fighter like f16s/j10s..if yes then this move (of not boasting thunder by new engine like rd 93/ws 13 & fuel imporvements) is okay if no, then am I missing something

 

[anathema]

Except that the range is limited due to the lack of an OBOG ... it uses compressed oxygen in a bottle to keep the pilot alive.

That bottle of oxygen will suffice a pilot for 7 - 8 hrs. That is more than enough unless we are talking about trans Atlantic missions. OBOGS is required for a different reason altogether

 

[MastanKhan]

Except that the range is limited due to the lack of an OBOG ... it uses compressed oxygen in a bottle to keep the pilot alive.

Hi,

That bottle was good for around 2 + hours---.

JF17 out ranges all the AC overall in PAF inventory as it has IFR with efficient engine. Put IFR in the calculations and you will get the true max range JF17 can achieve in any given mission.

Hi,

That is incorrect---. F16 has the longest legs so far---.

 

[The Accountant]

regardless, jf17 would need 20% fuel, thrust boast to be comparable to modern "light" fighters like gripen NG, LCA mk2(if that ever happens)..

so far I don't see that happening..
this would seriously hamper the role jf17 is being given...i.e to fight everything India has...
is PAF planning to not take jf17 III as serious contender against India main fleet and is looking for another light fighter like f16s/j10s..if yes then this move (of not boasting thunder by new engine like rd 93/ws 13 & fuel imporvements) is okay if no, then am I missing something

Right now replacing old aircraft is the priority ... i am sure down the line engines will be replaced after maturity of chinese engine manufacturing capabilities.

The idea of jf17 was to get a fully controlled affordable sanction free modern fighter. If we replace current engine with with western engine then we will have to take the risk of sanctions.

We will get this resolved with maturity

 

[ziaulislam]

Right now replacing old aircraft is the priority ... i am sure down the line engines will be replaced after maturity of chinese engine manufacturing capabilities.

The idea of jf17 was to get a fully controlled affordable sanction free modern fighter. If we replace current engine with with western engine then we will have to take the risk of sanctions.

We will get this resolved with maturity

its a shame though that at time of block 3 we didn't had rd 93ma or was 13 ready or chosen (at least that's whats the impression I am getting)

because without thurst; fuel or range cannot be altered..thus jf17 will remain an ultra-light fighter as compared to other light fighters of its era

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

its a shame though that at time of block 3 we didn't had rd 93ma or was 13 ready or chosen (at least that's whats the impression I am getting)

because without thurst; fuel or range cannot be altered..thus jf17 will remain an ultra-light fighter as compared to other light fighters of its era

Why can't Thunder block 3 have CFTs?