JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[FuturePAF]

With the KLJ-7A confirmed and the Wide Angle HUD adopted, If the JF-17 fields the nose mounted IRST, could the following be a reasonable expectation for what the JF-17 Block III will look like (or some version of the following)? Hopefully we wont have to wait till Zhuhai 2020 in November to find out.

From Zhuhai 2016, Credit to @grey boy 2
Source: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/zhuhai-airshow-china-2016.456208/page-29
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/zhuhai-airshow-china-2016.456208/page-29#post-8868390
https://www.tradefairdates.com/Airshow-China-M1716/Zhuhai.html

 

[Dazzler]

With the KLJ-7A confirmed and the Wide Angle HUD adopted, If the JF-17 fields the nose mounted IRST, could the following be a reasonable expectation for what the JF-17 Block III will look like (or some version of the following)? Hopefully we wont have to wait till Zhuhai 2020 in November to find out.

From Zhuhai 2016, Credit to @grey boy 2
Source: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/zhuhai-airshow-china-2016.456208/page-29
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/zhuhai-airshow-china-2016.456208/page-29#post-8868390
https://www.tradefairdates.com/Airshow-China-M1716/Zhuhai.html

The radar antenna looks similar to that of LKF-601E

Interesting to see that it's not just No-2 Squadron that is destined for maritime strike roles.

KG-600 ASPJ under the wing

 

[FuturePAF]

The radar antenna looks similar to that of LKF-601E

Your right, hence Why I said Similar. Perhaps the radar portion will look closer to the following: (btw, the nose shape in my first post fits the following radar shape)

I ask the original question, because based on the size of the IRST and the size of the radar in the first picture, the nose shape seems to be that of the JF-17 (Even though the last picture shows a twin engine delta stealth fighter)

Source: http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.com/p/fighters-ii.html#JF-17 Block3

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/ch...j-series-and-others.t6755/page-41#post-588901

 

[Dazzler]

Your right, hence Why I said Similar. Perhaps the radar portion will look closer to the following: (btw, the nose shape in my first post fits the following radar shape)

I ask the original question, because based on the size of the IRST and the size of the radar, the nose shape seems to be that of the JF-17

Multiple sources hinting that the highend version of the klj has been chosen for blk 3.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Multiple sources hinting that the highend version of the klj has been chosen for blk 3.

U mean the best one?

 

[Dazzler]

U mean the best one?

Yes

 

[Maxpane]

Yes

sir it could be the one which is three sided?

 

[Zulfiqar]

Yes

Then how come Alan is saying that PAF chose the air cooled one?

 

[Maxpane]

how air cooled work ?

 

[Dazzler]

KLJ-7A has both cooling options available.

 

[aliyusuf]

Multiple sources hinting that the highend version of the klj has been chosen for blk 3.

U mean the best one?

Yes

By the best version ... is it meant the Swash Plate version or the Three-Sided version?

 

[Signalian]

My goal was for Paf to have at least 3 sqdrn's of JH7A's to target Mumbai---the economic hub of the enemy---. Destroy mumbai---destroy India's economy---.

I think this can be achieved with JF-17 and F-16 currently, though not from Gwadar but from Bholari or Masroor Airbase towards Mumbai. I am not sure about Mirage-III/V.

Estimated aerial distance in N-Miles from Karachi to Mumbai is 476 NM. Thats from airport to airport.

JF-17 in A2A config can achieve combat radius of up to 620 N-Miles.
JF-17 carrying PGM can achieve combat radius of 470 N-Miles up to 620 N-Miles. (no Dog fight -Escort to handle A2A combat)

JF-17 carrying 1 x AShM can achieve combat radius of 370 N-Miles. (can fire C-802 and turn back, unless missile requires constant guidance)
2 x AShM can achieve combat radius of 250 N-Miles (limitation of carrying fuel tank can occur)


F-16 in A2A config for escort can achieve combat radius of 600 N-Miles ( 2 extra BVR AAM than JF-17)
F-16 carrying PGM can achieve combat radius of 450 N-Miles up to 810 N-Miles (configuration dependent but minimum 2 x Aim-9, Targeting pod and 2 x PGM)

Ranges of missiles would matter though. The ones i know for surface strike mission are AGM-65 for F-16. JF-17 fires DEAD missile and AShM, unless im missing any other missiles for both.

I think the longest range of A2G missile that PAF F-16 carries is around 25 km (2.5 N-Miles). Officially AGM-84 and AGM-88 are not in PAF inventory for F-16.
JF-17 carries longest range missile as AShM ( C-802 or CM-400) aorund 65 N-Miles to 135 N-Miles. C-400 states longer ranges, so above 135 N-Miles even.

This leaves Mirage-III/V ranges. If combat radius are comparable to JF-17, then Mirage-III carrying Ra'ad can do the job easily, considering Mirage-III flies 176-200 N-Miles fires Ra'ad (Range of 295 N-Miles)

So DEAD Ops in question as well as induction of long range A2G surface strike missiles for F-16 and JF-17. MAR-1 has range of 30 -50 N-Miles.

Combat radius data from:

JF-17
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf-17s-ferry-and-combat-ranges.462726/

F-16
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-f-16-discussions-2.15226/page-649#post-8916212

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

I think this can be achieved with JF-17 and F-16 currently, though not from Gwadar but from Bholari or Masroor Airbase towards Mumbai. I am not sure about Mirage-III/V.

Estimated aerial distance in N-Miles from Karachi to Mumbai is 476 NM. Thats from airport to airport.

JF-17 in A2A config can achieve combat radius of up to 620 N-Miles.
JF-17 carrying PGM can achieve combat radius of 470 N-Miles up to 620 N-Miles. (no Dog fight -Escort to handle A2A combat)

JF-17 carrying 1 x AShM can achieve combat radius of 370 N-Miles. (can fire C-802 and turn back, unless missile requires constant guidance)
2 x AShM can achieve combat radius of 250 N-Miles (limitation of carrying fuel tank can occur)


F-16 in A2A config for escort can achieve combat radius of 600 N-Miles ( 2 extra BVR AAM than JF-17)
F-16 carrying PGM can achieve combat radius of 450 N-Miles up to 810 N-Miles (configuration dependent but minimum 2 x Aim-9, Targeting pod and 2 x PGM)

Ranges of missiles would matter though. The ones i know for surface strike mission are AGM-65 for F-16. JF-17 fires DEAD missile and AShM, unless im missing any other missiles for both.

I think the longest range of A2G missile that PAF F-16 carries is around 25 km (2.5 N-Miles). Officially AGM-84 and AGM-88 are not in PAF inventory for F-16.
JF-17 carries longest range missile as AShM ( C-802 or CM-400) aorund 65 N-Miles to 135 N-Miles. C-400 states longer ranges, so above 135 N-Miles even.

This leaves Mirage-III/V ranges. If combat radius are comparable to JF-17, then Mirage-III carrying Ra'ad can do the job easily, considering Mirage-III flies 176-200 N-Miles fires Ra'ad (Range of 295 N-Miles)

So DEAD Ops in question as well as induction of long range A2G surface strike missiles for F-16 and JF-17. MAR-1 has range of 30 -50 N-Miles.

Combat radius data from:

JF-17
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf-17s-ferry-and-combat-ranges.462726/

F-16
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-f-16-discussions-2.15226/page-649#post-8916212

Well there are credible sources hinting about RA'AD's integeration on Thunder

 

[Windjammer]

From Two-Tone Como to Airsuperiority Grey.

 

[Windjammer]