JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[Imran Khan]

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[Amir_Pharaoh]

i dont think so eygpt has any running programme..
there future either lies in russians planes or chinese..

cario 2000 is mere a rumor since a decade with no credible links even if its true it seems to be an upgrade plane of mirage2000

i think the only credible aircraft left to replace mig21 is jf-17..or possibly j-10 or may be a mig29..there are noother alternatives at moment..
if they are stupid they might go for old f-16s

as eygpt has history of purchasing the k-8, i am pretty sure they would go for jf-17 but any one would wait for jf-17 to mature so i dont expect exports before 2015..iit will be remarkable sucess if it happens before that

egyptain administration is silent for now over any negotiations regarding FC-1. May be their internal situation.

Its a mess inside egyptain air force, it is strange why they decided to upgrade mig 21s while isrealis know these Mig-21s inside out since 1970's.

I think egyptians needs to cut down the Mirage V and Mig 21's in favor of JFT later on until next block is out which still would be young.

and yes unfortunately arab countries are going through for last many decades a strange sort of nationalism ...i think we all know about it..

we all know that eygpt doesnt has any avivation industry to take on such a projeect..
regarding jf-17, new goverment will take some time to come and decide..even then as i said i will be surprised if any govt ask for orders before 2015, as its a rountine thing for customers to see the aircraft mature only then they order any further..
Eygpt in past has brought the k-8in vast numbers, this make them a very good potential customer for jf-17...



if we see eygpt due to its finicial constrains(not as much as pakistan, thanks to tourism,oil/gas and suez canal) have following options
1.mig29
2.su 30
3. jf-17
4.j-17
5.old f-16s or possibly mirage2000 from somewhere

let see what it decides..to replace over 200 of its old mig21 and mirage 5 fleet..

actually you dont have the full picture..we brought f-16s why back in 80s with expectation of ugrades and every thing..and dint got it...if we knew this would happen we could have easily opt for mirage2000

eygpian brought much of the f-16s with foreign Aid not there own money..also it was stupid decision to buy an f-16 without BVR..they could have easily brought mirages or migs for that money and they should have..

i dont think so how this means america helping us out

its result of our discuss which i shear with you guys.they (as forum members ) believe they are most intelligent people on earth and even some told me that WHEN EGYPT WILL MAKE THEY WILL NEVER MAKE GARBAGE LIKE PAKISTAN so its over and all. there believes force me leave them alone .

as they believe PAF F-16 fleet was on mercy of egypt and they give us parts otherwise we was unable to fly .pakistani korea missile tech is from egypt . egypt has secretly mig-29 rafale missile program and fighters jet program .egypt has secret missiles more range then pakistan .secret subs .egypt made abraams and alkhalid is china's tank .

.jf-17 discuss with egyption and arabic members is too hard as there believe is some thing like we discuss to compare cars .many other issues which make me feel i leave them alone .any one is interested go talk to them lolz hahahhahahah

my personal view is 3 dictators rule 60 years and they turn public blind patriotics .

HAHAHAHaaaa ..
So Funny ... alot of pple here don't know anything about EAF .. u know why ?! .. bcoz egyptians themselves know a little about there AF .. !! Yet .. many here speak like they r experts ..!!

I may talk alot about EAF ....
BVRs ..
F-16s ..
the last deal with US about 24 F-16 block-52 .. Egypt wanted only 20 ..
Mirage-2000 .. and the mystery about its numbers ! ..
Mig-29 ..
Su-30/35 ..
Cairo-2000 ..
AOI/ACL ........

Egyptian's history of manufacturing jet fighter since 60s (Helwan HA-300) .. 80s (Mirage-2000) .. 90s (F-16) .. Refusing to have an american military base (condition 2 produce f-16
).. Refusing to sign CISMOA (so , no AIM-120 AMRAAM .. ).. the relations with Russia - politically, economically and militarily - especially after US-Egyptian deterioration since 2003 ... ..... etc ..

but i dont want this thread to transfer about EAF .. !
so , plz Keep talking about JF-17 .. and leave EGYPT out off the topic ..!!

Egypt thought back in 80s to manufacture Mirage-2000 .. and F-16s back in 90s ..
So remove the idea that we think of manufacturing jf-17 in the present time .. !!

 

[Last Hope]

HAHAHAHaaaa ..
So Funny ... alot of pple here don't know anything about EAF .. u know why ?! .. bcoz egyptians themselves know a little about there AF .. !! Yet .. many here speak like they r experts ..!!

I may talk alot about EAF ....
BVRs ..
F-16s ..
Mirages ..
Mig-29 ..
Su-30/35 ..
Cairo-2000 ..
AOI/ACL ........

Egyptian's history of manufacturing jet fighter since 60s (Helwan HA-300) .. 80s (Mirage-2000) .. 90s (F-16) .. Refusing to have an american military base (condition 2 produce f-16
).. Refusing to sign CISMOA (so , no AIM-120 AMRAAM .. ).. the relations with Russia - politically, economically and militarily - especially after US-Egyptian deterioration since 2003 ... ..... etc ..

but i dont want this thread to transfer about EAF .. !
so , plz Keep talking about JF-17 .. and leave EGYPT out off the topic ..!!

Not the right thread.

 

[Jango]

HAHAHAHaaaa ..
So Funny ... alot of pple here don't know anything about EAF .. u know why ?! .. bcoz egyptians themselves know a little about there AF .. !! Yet .. many here speak like they r experts ..!!

I may talk alot about EAF ....
BVRs ..
F-16s ..
the last deal with US about 24 F-16 block-52 .. Egypt wanted only 20 ..
Mirage-2000 .. and the mystery about its numbers ! ..
Mig-29 ..
Su-30/35 ..
Cairo-2000 ..
AOI/ACL ........

Egyptian's history of manufacturing jet fighter since 60s (Helwan HA-300) .. 80s (Mirage-2000) .. 90s (F-16) .. Refusing to have an american military base (condition 2 produce f-16
).. Refusing to sign CISMOA (so , no AIM-120 AMRAAM .. ).. the relations with Russia - politically, economically and militarily - especially after US-Egyptian deterioration since 2003 ... ..... etc ..

but i dont want this thread to transfer about EAF .. !
so , plz Keep talking about JF-17 .. and leave EGYPT out off the topic ..!!

Egypt thought back in 80s to manufacture Mirage-2000 .. and F-16s back in 90s ..
So remove the idea that we think of manufacturing jf-17 in the present time .. !!

Should we reply to this Baseless rant???


EPIC FACEPALM!!!!

 

[razgriz19]

Pakistan Air Force 2010/11 (JF-17, F-16 Block 15/52) - YouTube

 

[Imran Khan]

Amir_Pharaoh;HAHAHAHaaaa ..

same to you hahahhahahaha

So Funny

.


don't think so

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lot of pple here don't know anything about EAF .. u know why ?! .. bcoz Egyptians themselves know a little about there AF ..

if there is something we should know it lolz there is nothing more to know EAF is same as 199 air forces on earth and every air force is well known today .may be your dictators feed you wrong info that you are one of greatest air secret air force on earth

!! Yet .. many here speak like they r experts ..!!

yes they are many here are flying daily weekly on jets and many even decorated with medals are here many from USAF PAF and other air forces are here they are experts .

I may talk alot about EAF ....

BVRs ..

fron line fighter loaded with any good BVR like mica amraam sd-10 r-77 ARE NOT IN SERVICE or show me single image dont repeat it if you dont have image video prove.

F-16s ..
the last deal with US about 24 F-16 block-52 .. Egypt wanted only 20 ..

economic meltdown was responsible in this issue .and you never pay it but aid too.

Mirage-2000 .. and the mystery about its numbers ! ..

only 19 in service dear and if you have serial numbers or pics were we can see 20+ bring it here else don't comment .

Mig-29 ..
Su-30/35 ..
Cairo-2000 ..
AOI/ACL ........

who the hell on earth you can add them on your list su-30 su-35 are you ok? egyptins even never seen these fighters from close look
all BS deeded there just for false proud you dont have even 1 mig-29 nor su-30 su-35 touch your country once .or else show us inducting ceremony images a pic from HQ or video which you guys dont have even one .

Egyptian's history of manufacturing jet fighter since 60s

and history of failed to assemble too if you look as non egyption

(Helwan HA-300)

german man made it and after he left you have 3 prototypes which are in meusium

.. 80s (Mirage-2000)

20 assembled not manufactured and you failed to continue again



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90s (F-16) .. Refusing to have an american military base

if it was on table talks only how you add it in list?lolz

(condition 2 produce f-16
).. Refusing to sign CISMOA (so , no AIM-120 AMRAAM .. ).

.

israel will never let you do it ever. even withot this sign what you earn 198 f-16 are parked idle without weapons who you face sofa rama ?

the relations with Russia - politically, economically and militarily - especially after US-Egyptian deterioration since 2003 ... ..... etc ..

in 2000 there job was done they make your forces loaded of US equipment now they don't need you as its take more 40 years to replace there equipment .

but i dont want this thread to transfer about EAF .. !

after your post reply is must

so , plz Keep talking about JF-17 .. and leave EGYPT out off the topic ..!!

thanks for advise yes we should

Egypt thought back in 80s to manufacture Mirage-2000 ..

we know whole history

and F-16s back in 90s ..

not a single f-16 was made in egypt it was talks you admit it and you also add F-16 in your list lolz stay on one .youR most f-16 are made in turkey.

So remove the idea that we think of manufacturing jf-17 in the present time .. !

!

we are not waiting for you as you have history of fail projects and we don't need people which close lines after 1 call from USA .we are not willing to make it failure as HA-300 mirage-2000 OR f-16 talks.at this time you have nothing to offer us even dear SAUDI ARABIA gives you 4bn$ for run and you are looking for modern fighters

 

[Amir_Pharaoh]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ...........

Meet me there .. and leave this thread to jf-17 ..

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...3456-egyptian-armed-forces-8.html#post2027883

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...456-egyptian-armed-forces-12.html#post2044217

 

[Luftwaffe]

Amir_Pharaoh..HAHAHAHaaaa...So Funny ... alot of pple here don't know anything about EAF .. u know why ?! ..bcoz egyptians themselves know a little about there AF .. !! Yet .. many here speak like they r experts ..!!

Yes I know enough about it but I still call my self a student of aviation is this a problem.

The F-16s block 52 that egypt air force bought could be a replacement of any older equal number of airframes/squadron, there are no sources to identify if egypt is moving towards a large scale modernization despite crippled with no AMRAAM available in near or far future this F-16 Block 52 they are without fangs.

For ground launch systems, The SL-AMRAAM has been evaluated and maybe bought and deployed by egypt that's all, no to F-16s.

Confirm no mystery 20 Mirage 2000s with egyptian air force and that too are in deplorable condition along with Mirage Vs.

Sorry talk about inventory and confirm deals that egyptian air force has no su-30/35 no Mig 29s no nothing except for block 52 deal, cairo 2000 is a myth unless the name is tagged on FC-1 after assembly right in egypt in the future.

Assembling bringing together part is different then R&D, designing & developing. Had egypt been thinking of indigenous they would not have paid for block 52s the money would have been channeled towards R&D for romeo 2000, Thankyou be realistic.

 

[ziaulislam]

HAHAHAHaaaa ..
So Funny ... alot of pple here don't know anything about EAF .. u know why ?! .. bcoz egyptians themselves know a little about there AF .. !! Yet .. many here speak like they r experts ..!!

I may talk alot about EAF ....
BVRs ..
F-16s ..
the last deal with US about 24 F-16 block-52 .. Egypt wanted only 20 ..
Mirage-2000 .. and the mystery about its numbers ! ..
Mig-29 ..
Su-30/35 ..
Cairo-2000 ..
AOI/ACL ........

Egyptian's history of manufacturing jet fighter since 60s (Helwan HA-300) .. 80s (Mirage-2000) .. 90s (F-16) .. Refusing to have an american military base (condition 2 produce f-16
).. Refusing to sign CISMOA (so , no AIM-120 AMRAAM .. ).. the relations with Russia - politically, economically and militarily - especially after US-Egyptian deterioration since 2003 ... ..... etc ..

but i dont want this thread to transfer about EAF .. !
so , plz Keep talking about JF-17 .. and leave EGYPT out off the topic ..!!

Egypt thought back in 80s to manufacture Mirage-2000 .. and F-16s back in 90s ..
So remove the idea that we think of manufacturing jf-17 in the present time .. !!

i dont know why are you laughing..
eygpt cant replace over 400 of its old aircrafts with expensive f-16s nor mirage 2000 as they are no longer there it can either go for russain plateforms
or chinese or it may simply reduce its number of aircrafts

No offense if eygpt is so excellent in production of aircrafts(dont confuse assembly with production) and hate Chinese stuff..then why are its all trainers(k-8) pakistani/Chinese in origin..

 

[muse]

Lets just stick to the JFT stuff in this thread - I think the Egypt Air Force can have it's own thread - Elsewhere

 

[pshamim]

A very interesting discussion is going on above. I am really surprised by claims being made by our friend Amir Pharaoh

I know quite a bit about F-16 sales to Egyptian Air Force. Many are aware of my association with General Dynamics Being a part of General Dynamics Service Company (GDSC) , I served in Pakistan, Egypt, and Japan. I was posted in Egypt to assist with Peace Vector-III during February 1992 to mid 1993. Every F-16s in the Peace Vector Program except the Peace Vector-iV were manufactured in Fortworth. With Peace Vector-IV, US Government entered in to an agreement with TAI of Turkey. These aircrafts were than delivered back to USAF who then transferred them to Egypt due to the FMS rules. In Short, no Egyptian F-16 has ever been manufactured in Egypt.

Our friend Amir Pharaoh may be confusing with the presence of depot level maintenance and repair facilities who can repair about 250 to 350 defferent parts and a partial depot level overhaul facility for the engine.

Regarding his statement about manufacturing of Mirage-2000 seems to have been made out of ignorance. First Egypt does not have a manufacturing facility left and also you do not setup an in country manufacturing facility for 20 or odd Mirage-2000

Hopefully it is not a DBA situation with our friend. And I agree wholeheartedly that discussion about Egyptian Air Force be moved to another relevant thread.

 

[Amir_Pharaoh]

i dont know why are you laughing..
eygpt cant replace over 400 of its old aircrafts with expensive f-16s nor mirage 2000 as they are no longer there it can either go for russain plateforms
or chinese or it may simply reduce its number of aircrafts

No offense if eygpt is so excellent in production of aircrafts(dont confuse assembly with production) and hate Chinese stuff..then why are its all trainers(k-8) pakistani/Chinese in origin..

................The F-16s block 52 that egypt air force bought could be a replacement of any older equal number of airframes/squadron, there are no sources to identify if egypt is moving towards a large scale modernization despite crippled with no AMRAAM available in near or far future this F-16 Block 52 they are without fangs.

For ground launch systems, The SL-AMRAAM has been evaluated and maybe bought and deployed by egypt that's all, no to F-16s.

Confirm no mystery 20 Mirage 2000s with egyptian air force and that too are in deplorable condition along with Mirage Vs.

Sorry talk about inventory and confirm deals that egyptian air force has no su-30/35 no Mig 29s no nothing except for block 52 deal, cairo 2000 is a myth unless the name is tagged on FC-1 after assembly right in egypt in the future.............

A very interesting discussion is going on above. I am really surprised by claims being made by our friend Amir Pharaoh

............. In Short, no Egyptian F-16 has ever been manufactured in Egypt.................

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...456-egyptian-armed-forces-14.html#post2045282

 

[Last Hope]

Keep the discussion on JF-17 not some Egyptian dream.
Amir Pharoh, you deserve a Infraction.

 

[Last Hope]

Just posted to bring the talks back to normal.

 

[TaimiKhan]

any more off topic posts, infractions will follow.