JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[ziaulislam]

SD-10 weighs only 200 kg. there should be no issues in carrying 4 sd-10,2 pL-5E,and one central fuel tank(1000L), infact if only these are carried it would only be carrying less than half of its capacity (>4000 kg with max take of armament of 4600 kg as in Dubai airshow briefing).

an interesting mode will be the antiship/marine mode. where it can carry two 800kg c-802s, along with 2 sd-10s.

or the air to ground mode it can carry 2 anti-radiations,2 sd-10s and 2 PL-5Es.

to be honest we under estimate thunder armament..carrying atleast 4 tones of armament is very good figure for the price we get JFT.

so in the end the capablity of SD-10 will be critical. anyway if i ma not wrong due to active homing the aircrfts nowadays will fire and forgot their BVR missiles in most of cases.

 

[Manticore]

Above, below: Luoyang PL-12/SD-10A on JF-17 pylon launchers, exported to Pakistan (image © 2010 Air Power Australia, via Zhenguan Studio).ausairpower.net/Zhuhai-2010

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-AAM.html
anyone got the complete pic including the jft? can anyone compare the wheel in the pic and judge if its j10 or jf17

 

[fatman17]

JF-17 Pioneers

Group Captain – Ahsen Rafiq – JF-17 CPD - CO of TEF of small batch production JF-17's.
Wing Commander Khalid Mahmood – OC 26 Sqdn
Wing Commander Hakim – OC 16 Sqdn – has more flying hours than any other JF-17 pilot.
Wing Commander Ronald – flight leader 26 Sqdn
Wing Commander Rashid – flight leader 16 Sqdn
Sqn Leader Hussain (Shaheed) – flight leader 26 Sqdn

 

[SQ8]

Above, below: Luoyang PL-12/SD-10A on JF-17 pylon launchers, exported to Pakistan (image © 2010 Air Power Australia, via Zhenguan Studio).ausairpower.net/Zhuhai-2010

anyone got the complete pic including the jft?

Not exactly

 

[Armstrong]

JF-17 Pioneers

Group Captain – Ahsen Rafiq – JF-17 CPD - CO of TEF of small batch production JF-17's.
Wing Commander Khalid Mahmood – OC 26 Sqdn
Wing Commander Hakim – OC 16 Sqdn – has more flying hours than any other JF-17 pilot.
Wing Commander Ronald – flight leader 26 Sqdn
Wing Commander Rashid – flight leader 16 Sqdn
Sqn Leader Hussain (Shaheed) – flight leader 26 Sqdn

I heard Air Marshal (R) Shahid Lateef taking credit for either accelerating the JF-17 program or significantly improving upon it, in a talk-show on DAWN ! How accurate is such an assertion ?

 

[Manticore]

Not exactly

i've lost count man.. how many missiles have you added on the poor fighter? -- hope these calculations are correct!

 

[SQ8]

i've lost count man.. how many missiles have you added on the poor fighter? -- hope these calculations are correct!

Not saying that it can happen, but it should happen..

 

[fatman17]

I heard Air Marshal (R) Shahid Lateef taking credit for either accelerating the JF-17 program or significantly improving upon it, in a talk-show on DAWN ! How accurate is such an assertion ?

AM may have been the overall incharge of the program, but these pilots were the original 'test pilots' and now are IP's so to speak for the incoming flow of PAF pilots to be converted to the JFT

 

[VelocuR]

Not saying that it can happen, but it should happen..

^please post real pictures, not video game of JFT.

 

[Donatello]

High,

One of my issues with JFT is that it doesn't have enough hard points for BVR missiles. If the MERs can work, then 4 BVRs on a JFT make it a very very lethal aircraft. I hope we see front line service soon.

 

[SQ8]

^please post real pictures, not video game of JFT.

Please watch and comment on real pictures instead of worrying about video games.. they are for hypothetical purposes only.
An example of a video game at 2:44

 

[sancho]

to be honest we under estimate thunder armament..carrying atleast 4 tones of armament is very good figure for the price we get JFT.

The problem is, that these configs allow only very low range and endurance! The centerline station alows only a smaller fuel tank (afaik 800l), which make 1 x FT + 6 x AAMs mainly a quick interception config, but not useful for CAP or anykind of long range A2G roles. Especially in the latter, the higher weight results into higher fuel consumption, which needs to be countered by additional fuel (int/ext fuel tanks, CFTs or mid air refuelling).
When you followed the Libyan conflict you might have seen that fighters like Rafale, EF, or Mirage 2000-5s were used in air defence roles and they always carried at least 6 x AAMs + 2 x fuel tankes and were mid air refuelled to increase the endurance in over the no fly zone.
Translated to PAF, with upgraded F16s and JF 17 B1 without mid air refuelling probe, they most likely carry 4 - 6 AAMs (4 x BVR with twin pylons seens to be possible), but also 2 x fuel tanks in air defence roles to get a useful endurance too.

However, for BVR neither the number of missiles, nor the maximum missile range are the important figures, but who detects whom first and what's the no escape zone of the missile. Detecting the opponent first, gives you the advantage to put youreself in a position of not beeing detected, out of the radar range of the opponent. With modern RoEs you will still identify the target before engaging, so you have to get closer anyway and when you get in the no escape zone of the missile, 1 or 2 missiles are more than enough to shoot down your opponent.
That's the same way a stealth fighter would go into a BVR combat too. They use the advantage of not beeing detected to the max and close in, becaue they get more detectable when they use their missiles, so remaining undetected and using the missiles in the no escape zone is safe and increases the kill probability at the same time!

 

[Farooqi1]

I quote you ---- ' If you would have the money you will be able to buy Typhoone' --- Care to show me where Pakistan has got the money???? and you are telling me to grow up and not argue for argument sake??? Look at Pakistans current foriegn exchange reserves - the Governments own projections on how much they are going to go down over the next 12-15 months -- prove that Pakistan 'has got the money' to buy Typhoons ---- and then think about whether it is me or you who is 'far from reality'



Good find ----- clearly shows Jf-17 can carry 4 x SD-10's contrary to what some 'experts' were arguing.

TAC

So everybody agree that we do need the Powerful Aircraft other then what we have and what we going to have? It is just we don't have the money. It is not that twine engines are useless. Gentlemen I request the answer. Am I right? It is the money otherwise there is a great need for twine engines?

 

[SQ8]

TAC

So everybody agree that we do need the Powerful Aircraft other then what we have and what we going to have? It is just we don't have the money. It is not that twine engines are useless. Gentlemen I request the answer. Am I right? It is the money otherwise there is a great need for twine engines?

Not exactly.. there is a great need however for a larger payload capacity and extended range..
currently only possible with twin engines.

 

[ziaulislam]

Above, below: Luoyang PL-12/SD-10A on JF-17 pylon launchers, exported to Pakistan (image © 2010 Air Power Australia, via Zhenguan Studio).ausairpower.net/Zhuhai-2010

PLA Air to Air Missiles
anyone got the complete pic including the jft? can anyone compare the wheel in the pic and judge if its j10 or jf17

the site says its JFT but regardlessly it seems to be CGI