Jews are not the "Natives" of Palestine but they slaughtered natives to form the "Kingdom of Israel"

[A.P. Richelieu]

This question should not be asked from the modern civilized world, while according to UN charter we don't accept any claims which are hundreds and thousands of years old.

We don't want that the Red Indians start kicking out the White and Black Americans out of America by telling them that they are the natives of this land and they have the right to kick others out who have been living in America for centuries.

Same is about Aborigines. They are not allowed to kick out the White Australians by using the Israeli logic of being native.

Therefore, this question basically belongs only to the Jews. How could they say that they are the natives while their own holy book is proving that they are telling a lie.

It is the same book you used to prove the Abraham was from Kannan. But when this same book tells that Jews attacked and massacred the original natives of dozens of cities of Levant, then you say you start denying your own book.

I am fine with the historical evidence, like Roman texts.
There are also archaelogical evidence proving Jews have a connection to Palestine.

If the Bible is used as a source the important part is that the land was given to the Jews by the creator. You either have to accept Gods commands or do not use the Bible as a source.

 

[venu309]

https://b.marfeel.com/amp/historynewsnetwork.org/article/167670

Pakistani Historian Mobarak Haidar says Muslims “have no religious basis to rule Jerusalem”
After U.S. President Donald Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, on December 6, 2017, Mobarak Haidar (above), renowned Pakistani historian and author of multiple books, wrote the following on his Facebook page:[1]

"Jerusalem And Muslim Claims

"The Holy Koran spoke of Al-Aqsa Mosque when it was not a 'mosque' in the Islamic sense. It was a holy place because of the prophets of Israel, from Moses to Jesus. It was the holy spot of worship for Jews and Christians. Obviously, there were no Muslims in the city of Jerusalem till the era of Emir-ul-Momineen Umar ibn Khattab... The Prophet [Muhammad] and his followers prayed with their faces toward this Jewish-Christian holy temple because Kaaba (the present center of Islamic Hajj) was full of idols.

"After the 'Conquest of Mecca,' Muslims were told to turn their faces toward Kaaba and away from Jerusalem. They have never faced their loyalty toward Jerusalem after that, for the last 1,400 years. No Muslim ever went to pray in Jerusalem till it was conquered by the second caliph [Umar ibn Khattab], although there was no restriction on Muslims. They do not go there today because it was no longer their center.

"Christians were masters of Jerusalem before Muslims conquered it. It is still a holy place for Christians. But Christians have no dispute over ownership of the city. It is their religious right to visit the holy city; and the Jews do not stop them. Muslims, too, should have the same religious rights, and in fact they have those rights; Jews do not stop them. Muslims of the world, therefore, have no religious basis to rule Jerusalem. Most of the Muslims have never even wished to visit Jerusalem. As for the political claim, only Palestinians can make it and only they should negotiate.

"It cannot be a collective Muslim claim. Quraishi Arabs were masters of Jerusalem for some time. Then Mamluks, Muslim kings, took over. Turks came after them. Colonial Christians were the last political rulers. It is interesting to note that Iranian Muslims or Muslims of the Indian Subcontinent or Southeast Asia or of Africa have never been its masters. They can claim only spiritual ties.

"Active centers of Muslim faith are none other than the Holy Cities of Mecca and Medina. Iranians have never controlled these active centers. But they are passionately building deadly weapons and jihadi forces to conquer or destroy Israel. It is sectarian politics of hegemony which can generate nothing but division and pain."

 

[veg]

I am fine with the historical evidence, like Roman texts.
There are also archaelogical evidence proving Jews have a connection to Palestine.

If the Bible is used as a source the important part is that the land was given to the Jews by the creator. You either have to accept Gods commands or do not use the Bible as a source.

I am afraid this is very lame excuse. You yourself know it, but still you have to stick with it:

(1) Show us the earlier Roman Texts which are proving that the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites were not the Original Natives of Levant, as has been proven by Bible?

(2) Which is more authentic? Biblical References or the Roman texts?

(3) Tell us the name of the Roman Historian who recorded the events that happened at time when David was massacring the native people (1000 years BC).
Tell us the name of the Roman Historian, who was recording the events that happened at time of Moses, when Moses was massacring the people according to Bible (1500 years BC).
Tell us the name of the Roman Historian who was recording the events at time of Josef and even before him Abraham's coming to Kannan?

None. Answer is, there is NO Roman historian who recorded these events directly. These were the stories which have their origins only in Bible, otherwise no one knows if such prophets existed or not.

You Jews depend 100% on the accounts of Bible for all this period where you believe that Abraham came to Kannan. But when it comes to shameful incidents of massacring the native population of Levant along with the killing of women and children, then you started denying Biblical accounts without any reason and proof.

(4) Therefore I told you that it is not a question about the Modern Civilized world, but it is the question about Jews themselves who already believe in the Bible, and thus they also had to believe in the Massacring of Native People at the hands of their prophets according to their god's command.

https://b.marfeel.com/amp/historynewsnetwork.org/article/167670

Pakistani Historian Mobarak Haidar says Muslims “have no religious basis to rule Jerusalem”
After U.S. President Donald Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, on December 6, 2017, Mobarak Haidar (above), renowned Pakistani historian and author of multiple books, wrote the following on his Facebook page:[1]

"Jerusalem And Muslim Claims

"The Holy Koran spoke of Al-Aqsa Mosque when it was not a 'mosque' in the Islamic sense. It was a holy place because of the prophets of Israel, from Moses to Jesus. It was the holy spot of worship for Jews and Christians. Obviously, there were no Muslims in the city of Jerusalem till the era of Emir-ul-Momineen Umar ibn Khattab... The Prophet [Muhammad] and his followers prayed with their faces toward this Jewish-Christian holy temple because Kaaba (the present center of Islamic Hajj) was full of idols.

"After the 'Conquest of Mecca,' Muslims were told to turn their faces toward Kaaba and away from Jerusalem. They have never faced their loyalty toward Jerusalem after that, for the last 1,400 years. No Muslim ever went to pray in Jerusalem till it was conquered by the second caliph [Umar ibn Khattab], although there was no restriction on Muslims. They do not go there today because it was no longer their center.

"Christians were masters of Jerusalem before Muslims conquered it. It is still a holy place for Christians. But Christians have no dispute over ownership of the city. It is their religious right to visit the holy city; and the Jews do not stop them. Muslims, too, should have the same religious rights, and in fact they have those rights; Jews do not stop them. Muslims of the world, therefore, have no religious basis to rule Jerusalem. Most of the Muslims have never even wished to visit Jerusalem. As for the political claim, only Palestinians can make it and only they should negotiate.

"It cannot be a collective Muslim claim. Quraishi Arabs were masters of Jerusalem for some time. Then Mamluks, Muslim kings, took over. Turks came after them. Colonial Christians were the last political rulers. It is interesting to note that Iranian Muslims or Muslims of the Indian Subcontinent or Southeast Asia or of Africa have never been its masters. They can claim only spiritual ties.

"Active centers of Muslim faith are none other than the Holy Cities of Mecca and Medina. Iranians have never controlled these active centers. But they are passionately building deadly weapons and jihadi forces to conquer or destroy Israel. It is sectarian politics of hegemony which can generate nothing but division and pain."

Dr. Mubarak Haider is in a sense my teacher, but here he made a big mistake (a blunder). It was prophet Muhammad's own Era where Muslims were attached to Jerusalem as their holy site and they were praying while facing Jerusalem.

And Muslims also allowed the Christians and Jews to pray in their holy sites.

Actually it was the Ottoman Caliph who was kind enough to allow the Jews to go to Jerusalem and buy properties and to live there and to pray there.

Therefore, issue is not the religion, but the ground reality that Palestinians were living in peace there with Christians and Jews for centuries and they were the natives in that land in 20th Century. No one has the right to kick this native population out of their homes and then not allow them to come back. Even the move of UN was illegal while UN got no mandate to create any country on a Land without the permission of the Native Population.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

I am afraid this is very lame excuse. You yourself know it, but still you have to stick with it:

(1) Show us the earlier Roman Texts which are proving that the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites were not the Original Natives of Levant, as has been proven by Bible?

(2) Which is more authentic? Biblical References or the Roman texts?

(3) Tell us the name of the Roman Historian who recorded the events that happened at time when David was massacring the native people (1000 years BC).
Tell us the name of the Roman Historian, who was recording the events that happened at time of Moses, when Moses was massacring the people according to Bible (1500 years BC).
Tell us the name of the Roman Historian who was recording the events at time of Josef and even before him Abraham's coming to Kannan?

None. Answer is, there is NO Roman historian who recorded these events directly. These were the stories which have their origins only in Bible, otherwise no one knows if such prophets existed or not.

You Jews depend 100% on the accounts of Bible for all this period where you believe that Abraham came to Kannan. But when it comes to shameful incidents of massacring the native population of Levant along with the killing of women and children, then you started denying Biblical accounts without any reason and proof.

(4) Therefore I told you that it is not a question about the Modern Civilized world, but it is the question about Jews themselves who already believe in the Bible, and thus they also had to believe in the Massacring of Native People at the hands of their prophets according to their god's command.

Dr. Mubarak Haider is in a sense my teacher, but here he made a big mistake (a blunder). It was prophet Muhammad's own Era where Muslims were attached to Jerusalem as their holy site and they were praying while facing Jerusalem.

And Muslims also allowed the Christians and Jews to pray in their holy sites.

Actually it was the Ottoman Caliph who was kind enough to allow the Jews to go to Jerusalem and buy properties and to live there and to pray there.

Therefore, issue is not the religion, but the ground reality that Palestinians were living in peace there with Christians and Jews for centuries and they were the natives in that land in 20th Century. No one has the right to kick this native population out of their homes and then not allow them to come back. Even the move of UN was illegal while UN got no mandate to create any country on a Land without the permission of the Native Population.

I do not rely on any Bible text to trace my ancestry.
I rely on records kept by the Church of Sweden.
You must confuse me with the Jews.

Roman records are from the time of the Roman conquest and show the territory to be
inhabited by Jews. There are Hellenistic sources claiming the same predating
the Romans back to the time of Alexander.
Archeological Records show the same.
I did not claim anything else.

And no, I do not deny that the Bible claims that the Jews slaughtered people.
I claim, that in the context of the Bible, it is unimportant.
The important part in that case is that the holy land was given to them by God.

You can adopt the position that the Bible is full of horseshit.
Then You cannot use it as a source to prove that the Jews did any slaughter.
Then You have to rely on known history which shows Jews, but
does not give any background.

You have no way of telling what in the Bible is true, and what is fantasies.
Noone studying the facts believe the story of the walls of Jericho any longer.
Do You have anything non-Bible source indicating that any of the other slaughters are true?
I doubt that.

So the only source You have says that the Jews were commanded by God to
behave in a certain way, and so they did.

 

[venu309]

Dr. Mubarak Haider is in a sense my teacher, but here he made a big mistake (a blunder). It was prophet Muhammad's own Era where Muslims were attached to Jerusalem as their holy site and they were praying while facing Jerusalem.

And Muslims also allowed the Christians and Jews to pray in their holy sites.

Actually it was the Ottoman Caliph who was kind enough to allow the Jews to go to Jerusalem and buy properties and to live there and to pray there.

Therefore, issue is not the religion, but the ground reality that Palestinians were living in peace there with Christians and Jews for centuries and they were the natives in that land in 20th Century. No one has the right to kick this native population out of their homes and then not allow them to come back. Even the move of UN was illegal while UN got no mandate to create any country on a Land without the permission of the Native Population.

You are probably right, but it is very hard to believe that a historian, professor and academician of such repute would say something on a public forum when he cannot back it with facts, research or in some other way.

 

[veg]

I do not rely on any Bible text to trace my ancestry.
I rely on records kept by the Church of Sweden.
You must confuse me with the Jews.

Please answer:

(1) Why don't you believe in Bible? Why you have to leave Bible and go for the Church of Sweden, while your church of Sweden has 0% records about the history which took place at the era of Abraham, Moses and David, except for the only source, which is Bible itself.

(2) Do you believe that Bible was "Distorted" and has false stories in it about the Prophets?

(3) And "YOU" and "your belief" is not the issue, but these are JEWS who claim about being the natives, and these same Jews believe in their Bible, but their own Bible denying them and making it very much clear that the Original Natives of these cities were massacred by the orders of Jewish god.

Roman records are from the time of the Roman conquest and show the territory to be
inhabited by Jews. There are Hellenistic sources claiming the same predating
the Romans back to the time of Alexander.
Archeological Records show the same.
I did not claim anything else.

Sir, either you are very naive, or you are trying to mislead the people. Please tell us:

(1) What is the Era of Roman conquest of Jerusalem? (Hint 63 BC)

(2) What is the Era of Alexander the Great? (Hint: 332 BC)

(3) Remember, here the issue is the Era of David (1000 years BC), era of Moses (1600 years BC) and the era of Abraham (2100 years BC).

Therefore, I asked you to bring the Roman texts of any Roman Historian about the massacres of Moses and David, but you have not, and you could never, while there is none.

And the archaeological records are also irrelative as they are not in position of proving or denying that these massacres took place or not.

And no, I do not deny that the Bible claims that the Jews slaughtered people.
I claim, that in the context of the Bible, it is unimportant.
The important part in that case is that the holy land was given to them by God.

In the context of Bible, massacre of people and god's command is "one and the same thing" as the Jewish people believe.

You say massacre of people is unimportant.

I wonder how a religious belief make people deny Humanity in them. The same humanity which is constantly telling them that the Biblical god is a brutal killer of innocent women and children, and Biblical god is also a R*pist when it allowed to plunder the young girls.

It is only this that the people don't know these facts about the biblical god, otherwise perhaps half of the Jews and Christians will again leave their religion and become atheists.

You can adopt the position that the Bible is full of horseshit.
Then You cannot use it as a source to prove that the Jews did any slaughter.
Then You have to rely on known history which shows Jews, but
does not give any background.

All we know that People used Religion for their personal desires. They claimed themselves to be the prophets of god, and then commanded the people in name of god for their personal gains, including fighting other tribes and nations for plundering them.
No one knows if they were the prophets or not as there is no solid proof of People seeing Angels flying down from the heavens. Prophets said god revealed such and such command on them, and the people believed.
So, there were no reliable witness of the revelations, but indeed the wars and massacres which took place, they were real, and whole nations were witness of that.

You have no way of telling what in the Bible is true, and what is fantasies.
Noone studying the facts believe the story of the walls of Jericho any longer.
Do You have anything non-Bible source indicating that any of the other slaughters are true?
I doubt that.
So the only source You have says that the Jews were commanded by God to
behave in a certain way, and so they did.

Once again, let me repeat. We (the modern civilized world) is totally out of question while we absolutely don't believe in this 1000s of years native theory.

Here issue is this that Jews too should stop claiming that they are the natives, while according to their own book (which they use to prove they are descendants of Abraham) tells that other nations were the original native of these cities of Levant and biblical prophets massacred them and thus Jews were not the natives, but only the brutal invaders.

Therefore, even the Jews should stop bringing this argument of being native to all these cities of Levant.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Please answer:

(1) Why don't you believe in Bible? Why you have to leave Bible and go for the Church of Sweden, while your church of Sweden has 0% records about the history which took place at the era of Abraham, Moses and David, except for the only source, which is Bible itself.

(2) Do you believe that Bible was "Distorted" and has false stories in it about the Prophets?

(3) And "YOU" and "your belief" is not the issue, but these are JEWS who claim about being the natives, and these same Jews believe in their Bible, but their own Bible denying them and making it very much clear that the Original Natives of these cities were massacred by the orders of Jewish god.



Sir, either you are very naive, or you are trying to mislead the people. Please tell us:

(1) What is the Era of Roman conquest of Jerusalem? (Hint 63 BC)

(2) What is the Era of Alexander the Great? (Hint: 332 BC)

(3) Remember, here the issue is the Era of David (1000 years BC), era of Moses (1600 years BC) and the era of Abraham (2100 years BC).

Therefore, I asked you to bring the Roman texts of any Roman Historian about the massacres of Moses and David, but you have not, and you could never, while there is none.

And the archaeological records are also irrelative as they are not in position of proving or denying that these massacres took place or not.



In the context of Bible, massacre of people and god's command is "one and the same thing" as the Jewish people believe.

You say massacre of people is unimportant.

I wonder how a religious belief make people deny Humanity in them. The same humanity which is constantly telling them that the Biblical god is a brutal killer of innocent women and children, and Biblical god is also a R*pist when it allowed to plunder the young girls.

It is only this that the people don't know these facts about the biblical god, otherwise perhaps half of the Jews and Christians will again leave their religion and become atheists.




All we know that People used Religion for their personal desires. They claimed themselves to be the prophets of god, and then commanded the people in name of god for their personal gains, including fighting other tribes and nations for plundering them.
No one knows if they were the prophets or not as there is no solid proof of People seeing Angels flying down from the heavens. Prophets said god revealed such and such command on them, and the people believed.
So, there were no reliable witness of the revelations, but indeed the wars and massacres which took place, they were real, and whole nations were witness of that.



Once again, let me repeat. We (the modern civilized world) is totally out of question while we absolutely don't believe in this 1000s of years native theory.

Here issue is this that Jews too should stop claiming that they are the natives, while according to their own book (which they use to prove they are descendants of Abraham) tells that other nations were the original native of these cities of Levant and biblical prophets massacred them and thus Jews were not the natives, but only the brutal invaders.

Therefore, even the Jews should stop bringing this argument of being native to all these cities of Levant.

You keep mixing together me and the Jews. Stop doing that.
You bring in my ancestry into the picture and I am telling You not to.
The only records of my ancestry goes back some hundreds of years and are kept by the Church of Sweden. They do not keep track of what happened with a remote location 3000 years ago.

There are claims in the Bible for which no archaelogical evidence is found, yes.
I have already mentioned Jericho.
Another example is the event in Egypt, where a significant enslaved tribe left Egypt under dramatic circumstances.
Nothing can be found about this anywhere in the Egyptian records.

I do not claim that Roman or Hellenistic texts are related to things 3-4000 years ago.
I claim that they are proof of a Jewish presence as far back as we have scientifically sound records.

The only source we have for Your claims is the bible.
What I am saying is that you either take all of it, or none of it.
If you take all of it, you have to accept the existence of God.
If you accept the existence of an almighty God,
then acting under his orders cannot be wrong.
Under that narrative, he created the Humans, and he can do whatever he wants with them.

Are You questioning Allah?
Allah is the same God which requested the Jews to slaughter the inhabitants of Caanan.
Was it not mandatory to follow the word of Allah, 3000 years ago?
If that is the case, then they were simply the tool of Allah, and it is meaningless to accuse them.

If You are questioning the truth of the Bible, you have no source for your accusation.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

They have been known to lie quite profusely if the amount of indian rupee(or any currency for that matter) offered is heavier than his bodyweight.

You are probably right, but it is very hard to believe that a historian, professor and academician of such repute would say something on a public forum when he cannot back it with facts, research or in some other way.

Well now the god of muslims Allah through his Prophet instructed to take Jerusalem back.

So that what we are gonna do.

Maybe not today, not next week but we will definitely take it back.

You keep mixing together me and the Jews. Stop doing that.
You bring in my ancestry into the picture and I am telling You not to.
The only records of my ancestry goes back some hundreds of years and are kept by the Church of Sweden. They do not keep track of what happened with a remote location 3000 years ago.

There are claims in the Bible for which no archaelogical evidence is found, yes.
I have already mentioned Jericho.
Another example is the event in Egypt, where a significant enslaved tribe left Egypt under dramatic circumstances.
Nothing can be found about this anywhere in the Egyptian records.

I do not claim that Roman or Hellenistic texts are related to things 3-4000 years ago.
I claim that they are proof of a Jewish presence as far back as we have scientifically sound records.

The only source we have for Your claims is the bible.
What I am saying is that you either take all of it, or none of it.
If you take all of it, you have to accept the existence of God.
If you accept the existence of an almighty God,
then acting under his orders cannot be wrong.
Under that narrative, he created the Humans, and he can do whatever he wants with them.

Are You questioning Allah?
Allah is the same God which requested the Jews to slaughter the inhabitants of Caanan.
Was it not mandatory to follow the word of Allah, 3000 years ago?
If that is the case, then they were simply the tool of Allah, and it is meaningless to accuse them.

If You are questioning the truth of the Bible, you have no source for your accusation.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

They have been known to lie quite profusely if the amount of indian rupee(or any currency for that matter) offered is heavier than his bodyweight.


Well now the god of muslims Allah through his Prophet instructed to take Jerusalem back.

So that what we are gonna do.

Maybe not today, not next week but we will definitely take it back.

I like Israeli girls I think they are pretty. They would make nice war booty hehehe

As my dear opponent pointed out, the wish of God/Allah is of no relevance in International Law,
so You, like ISIS have to make a choice.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Whatever keep on ranting about history and what not.

I want me some Israeli war booty

As my dear opponent pointed out, the wish of God/Allah is of no relevance in International Law,
so You, like ISIS have to make a choice.

 

[ziaulislam]

I am fine with the historical evidence, like Roman texts.
There are also archaelogical evidence proving Jews have a connection to Palestine.

If the Bible is used as a source the important part is that the land was given to the Jews by the creator. You either have to accept Gods commands or do not use the Bible as a source.

1. such evidence canot be used to justify slaughter of people who have lived there for 100s of years.
2. since when was bible reliable authentic verse
3. when it comes to isreil the champion of humanity turn to worse than monkeys, complete lack of common sense
4. but isnt that what we have seen in last 200 years of imperialism, victors write the history, and thats what is happening here, the french cryied about nazis but did worse attrocites after the WW2 in algeria and africa

 

[veg]

You keep mixing together me and the Jews. Stop doing that.
You bring in my ancestry into the picture and I am telling You not to.
The only records of my ancestry goes back some hundreds of years and are kept by the Church of Sweden. They do not keep track of what happened with a remote location 3000 years ago.

Please still answer us about yourself:

(1) Do you believe in Bible?

(2) Do you believe that Bible has been "distorted"?

(3) Do you believe that biblical prophets indeed massacred the people (including women/children) upon the order of god?


As a matter of fact, I didn't start to talk about you, but earlier I asked questions only about the "Jews" while the jews, who today are claiming to be native of this Land, they believe in this Bible, they believe it has not been distorted.
You never answered about the Jews, but you brought yourself in.

I do not claim that Roman or Hellenistic texts are related to things 3-4000 years ago.
I claim that they are proof of a Jewish presence as far back as we have scientifically sound records.

Not enough proof.
You have to show the archaeological proofs with the following conditions:

(1) These archaeological proofs have been found in these dozens of Levant Cities, about which Bible is claiming that other native people lived there.

(2) And then you have to prove that these archaeological proofs (with the presence of Jews) are older than the era of David (1000 years BC) and era of Moses (1650 years BC).

Please go ahead and show us.

The only source we have for Your claims is the bible.
What I am saying is that you either take all of it, or none of it.

For us (the modern civilized word), it has never been a question while we don't believe in any claim of 3000 old ancestry and any god given land. Therefore, even if the Jews were the original natives of the Land 3000 years ago, still we would not have accepted this claim today.

The Question of either Full or None is related only to the Jews and the Christians. Either they have to fully believe in Bible and accept that their prophets killed the Original Natives according to the orders of god, or they have to stop believing in the bible and the Judaism or Christianity all together.

If you take all of it, you have to accept the existence of God. If you accept the existence of an almighty God,
then acting under his orders cannot be wrong.Under that narrative, he created the Humans, and he can do whatever he wants with them.

wow.
Religion is pure madness. It snatches away the humanity from the human beings and turn them into the Zombies.
How on earth one could "believe" in such a "god" which is super brutal killer (even bigger killer than the Hitler) and causes the "massacres" which are even bigger than the "holocaust" while in these massacres 100% population was killed.
Moreover, this same god is also the biggest R*apist, even worst than the Nazis, while this god asking to kill the married women, and take the young non married girls for the "S*ex Service".

No way a man with slight bit of humanity in him could ever believe in such brutal god.

Are You questioning Allah?
Allah is the same God which requested the Jews to slaughter the inhabitants of Caanan.
Was it not mandatory to follow the word of Allah, 3000 years ago?
If that is the case, then they were simply the tool of Allah, and it is meaningless to accuse them.

Yes I am questioning Allah from the time I came to knew that all the Jewish Men of Tribe of Banu Qurayzah in the city of Madina were slaughtered after being made captives.

First the message was sent to not to fight and lay down the weapons. And when Banu Qurayzah laid down the weapons and became captives, they were even then slaughtered.

The killing of Captives is not only a "War Crime" today, but even in that non civilized old Arab Culture (and other cultures of the world at that time) killing of the captives was considered as very evil action and condemned.

Also the children of 12 years of age (who pertained puberty) were included in the slaughtered people, although those 12 years of children had nothing to do with the war.

Also the women and girls and small children were taken into slavery for whole of their life, while they had nothing to do with the war.

And women and girls were compelled for the S*ex service.

My friend, I do question it.

And it seems you are confused about me. I am no more a Muslim, but an Ex-Muslim and an Atheist due to exactly these problems of religion.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

1. such evidence canot be used to justify slaughter of people who have lived there for 100s of years.
2. since when was bible reliable authentic verse
3. when it comes to isreil the champion of humanity turn to worse than monkeys, complete lack of common sense
4. but isnt that what we have seen in last 200 years of imperialism, victors write the history, and thats what is happening here, the french cryied about nazis but did worse attrocites after the WW2 in algeria and africa

The claim is that the Jews slaughtered people, and the source is the Bible, which you (like me) do not consider reliable. Why do you support a claim without reliable sources?
There is nothing in history that matches the atrocities of the Nazis.

You Jews depend 100% on the accounts of Bible for all this period where you believe that Abraham came to Kannan. But when it comes to shameful incidents of massacring the native population of Levant along with the killing of women and children, then you started denying Biblical accounts without any reason and proof.

You claim that this is not what you said.

 

[veg]

You claim that this is not what you said.

Change "You Jews" to "Your Jews" as a typo mistake. It means your friends Jews whom you have been defending here.
I am sorry if I was unable to make myself clear enough for you regarding my position on this Issue.

But you could see that all the Zionists in our Forum, were unable to answer these questions directly, and all of them ran away from this thread.

We have to talk about the Justice, and issue is this that Zionists are playing as Fanatics here, which is not good for the modern civilized world.

 

[DarkPrince]

If there were any jews they were darkish Egyptian. Majority of modern day jews are east European and Russian converts.
Original jews descendants are mostly Muslim by now. Just because all Americans are speaking english that doesn't mean they are all native to England. Arabic is a language and culture not race.