Jews are not the "Natives" of Palestine but they slaughtered natives to form the "Kingdom of Israel"

[A.P. Richelieu]

Change "You Jews" to "Your Jews" as a typo mistake. It means your friends Jews whom you have been defending here.
I am sorry if I was unable to make myself clear enough for you regarding my position on this Issue.

But you could see that all the Zionists in our Forum, were unable to answer these questions directly, and all of them ran away from this thread.

We have to talk about the Justice, and issue is this that Zionists are playing as Fanatics here, which is not good for the modern civilized world.

I can obviously not vouch for a lot of comments in threads which I am not aware of.
The scientific sources say that there were Jews present there as far as we can say anything.
The Bible gives explanations which may or may not have some truth to it.
There are several major events in the Bible where we cannot match them with
scientific evidence, including the slaughter in Jericho, and the Egypt affair.
To use the Bible as a source is problematic, and to only use part of the Bible
and ignore other parts is not acceptable.
The Bible says that God has given Canaan to the Jews.
Nowhere it says that God has reneged on that.
If You base any legal decisions on the Bible, the Arabs should leave.
A command by the one God, also has to be obeyed.
To make accusations, that sonehow ignore that command (given in realtime) does not make sense.

If You base your legal decisions on scientific laws, all Jews are there legally,
as shown earlier in the thread.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Genetic studies found out that the closest people to Jews are Palestinians themselves.

 

[veg]

I can obviously not vouch for a lot of comments in threads which I am not aware of.
The scientific sources say that there were Jews present there as far as we can say anything.
The Bible gives explanations which may or may not have some truth to it.
There are several major events in the Bible where we cannot match them with
scientific evidence, including the slaughter in Jericho, and the Egypt affair.
To use the Bible as a source is problematic, and to only use part of the Bible
and ignore other parts is not acceptable.
The Bible says that God has given Canaan to the Jews.
Nowhere it says that God has reneged on that.
If You base any legal decisions on the Bible, the Arabs should leave.
A command by the one God, also has to be obeyed.
To make accusations, that sonehow ignore that command (given in realtime) does not make sense.

If You base your legal decisions on scientific laws, all Jews are there legally,
as shown earlier in the thread.

For me, you are now sounding same like Muslim apologists when we talk about expulsion/killing of Jews from Madina.
That is why I have problems with all religions, while all of them are cancer for humanity while they take the sense of justice from their followers and they bring all kind of lame excuses to defend their god.

Thanks for the discussion.

 

[Daghalodi]

I can obviously not vouch for a lot of comments in threads which I am not aware of.
The scientific sources say that there were Jews present there as far as we can say anything.
The Bible gives explanations which may or may not have some truth to it.
There are several major events in the Bible where we cannot match them with
scientific evidence, including the slaughter in Jericho, and the Egypt affair.
To use the Bible as a source is problematic, and to only use part of the Bible
and ignore other parts is not acceptable.
The Bible says that God has given Canaan to the Jews.
Nowhere it says that God has reneged on that.
If You base any legal decisions on the Bible, the Arabs should leave.
A command by the one God, also has to be obeyed.
To make accusations, that sonehow ignore that command (given in realtime) does not make sense.

If You base your legal decisions on scientific laws, all Jews are there legally,
as shown earlier in the thread.

I have been reading your comments about cannan or palestine being the land given to jews by the jewish God. What the other person is trying to tell you that this land was inhabited by people other than the jews and they were ordered to slaughter them and take their land. Hence their (jewish) claim to be native to this land is false.
You just fail to understand this native claim part and keep on repeating that this land belongs to the jews either by roman text or by archeological study and now you have stated scientific studies. Honestly you have failed to provide any proof of your so called studies.

Even if your stuck on the point that God gave this land to the jews than please tells us are khazars or the zionist those jews ?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

For me, you are now sounding same like Muslim apologists when we talk about expulsion/killing of Jews from Madina.
That is why I have problems with all religions, while all of them are cancer for humanity while they take the sense of justice from their followers and they bring all kind of lame excuses to defend their god.

Thanks for the discussion.

I certainly do not believe religious texts should affect law.
If other people want to use them to prove a point, they need to follow the internal logic.

On the other line of argument, I have never seen anyone explain the hypothetical situation:

Alois Grossmann, a pretty smart Jew, sees the writing on the wall, and moves from Germany to the British held Mandate of Palestine, before the Brits start to really curb immigration.
He and others manages to get a permit from the Brits to buy property for a kibbutz, and does so, and starts farming. What crime has he committed. Why is he illegal?

Peter Grossmann, his brother left for Britain and became a fighter pilot in the RAF during WW2
and is stationed in Palestine until 1948. When the British are leaving, after the Independence
is declared, he quits the RAF, and is granted citizenship in Israel. What crime has he committed. Why is he illegal?

Yeshua Grossman, the stupid kid brother somehow managed survive Auschwitz,
and with the help of the Jewish Agency, financing the trip to Israel, and a British Captain (who did not believe it is right to stop Jews from reaching their ”Homeland”), who smuggles him past immigration officers, he enters the Mandate, stays hidden until the declaration of Independence. Then he is accepted as a citizen of Israel.
He is obviously entering the Mandate illegally, but this happens all over the world,
and such illegal aliens may get pardoned and get citizenship.
Why is he illegal right now, 70 years later?

 

[saurav jha]

I certainly do not believe religious texts should affect law.
If other people want to use them to prove a point, they need to follow the internal logic.

On the other line of argument, I have never seen anyone explain the hypothetical situation:

Alois Grossmann, a pretty smart Jew, sees the writing on the wall, and moves from Germany to the British held Mandate of Palestine, before the Brits start to really curb immigration.
He and others manages to get a permit from the Brits to buy property for a kibbutz, and does so, and starts farming. What crime has he committed. Why is he illegal?

Peter Grossmann, his brother left for Britain and became a fighter pilot in the RAF during WW2
and is stationed in Palestine until 1948. When the British are leaving, after the Independence
is declared, he quits the RAF, and is granted citizenship in Israel. What crime has he committed. Why is he illegal?

Yeshua Grossman, the stupid kid brother somehow managed survive Auschwitz,
and with the help of the Jewish Agency, financing the trip to Israel, and a British Captain (who did not believe it is right to stop Jews from reaching their ”Homeland”), who smuggles him past immigration officers, he enters the Mandate, stays hidden until the declaration of Independence. Then he is accepted as a citizen of Israel.
He is obviously entering the Mandate illegally, but this happens all over the world,
and such illegal aliens may get pardoned and get citizenship.
Why is he illegal right now, 70 years later?

Totally agree bro

 

[dani191]

ask if one arab want to live under arab regime lets see what will be the answer

 

[veg]

ask if one arab want to live under arab regime lets see what will be the answer

Answere is: All the Palestinians.

All of them (either Hamas of Fateh) , all of them to kick out the Israelis from their Country and no one want to live under the apartheid state of Israel.

I certainly do not believe religious texts should affect law.

Yet your friend Zionists are doing exactly the same by brining the argument that they have right over whole Palestine while their religious book tells it to them.

 

[dani191]

Answere is: All the Palestinians.

All of them (either Hamas of Fateh) , all of them to kick out the Israelis from their Country and no one want to live under the apartheid state of Israel.

thats why alot of muslems and arabs leave there coutnry to europe escapse from totlitar countries where you have freedom

 

[Solomon2]

All of them (either Hamas of Fateh) , all of them to kick out the Israelis from their Country and no one want to live under the apartheid state of Israel.

You've lost your anti-Israel arguments so many times and different ways. Why should you continue to respect your own opinions?

 

[veg]

You've lost your anti-Israel arguments so many times and different ways. Why should you continue to respect your own opinions?

Would it be possible for you to comment on the Holocaust of the Real Original Natives of this Land at the hands of your prophets (including the slaughtering of all women and children)?

 

[Solomon2]

Would it be possible for you to comment on the Holocaust of the Real Original Natives of this Land -

Well, the archaeological record so far does not yet decisively indicate a violent invasion of Canaan by the Hebrews as much as it does a gradual intermingling of populations in what most archaeologists think is the time frame of Israelites' arrival in the region, between 1250 and 1100 B.C. (which differs by several hundred years from one statement found in the Book of Judges.) The archaeological record so far really comes closer to supporting the Biblical account of Israelites allying with the Gileadites and the warning that if the Israelites failed to wipe out the population in Canaan they would be vexed by them for centuries instead - even if the Israelites allied with the local populations.

As pointed out earlier in the thread, the Hebrews lived in Canaan before going to Egypt for hundreds of years, so it's also reasonable to assume that not all their relatives left and there were family connections that eased the Israelites return.

Keep in mind that Zionism does not rely upon the Hebrew bible as a necessary support: documented history and law are sufficient.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Answere is: All the Palestinians.

All of them (either Hamas of Fateh) , all of them to kick out the Israelis from their Country and no one want to live under the apartheid state of Israel.



Yet your friend Zionists are doing exactly the same by brining the argument that they have right over whole Palestine while their religious book tells it to them.

I am pretty confident on my own arguments.
Noone seems to be prepared to argue my hypothetical case.

 

[veg]

Well, the archaeological record so far does not yet decisively indicate a violent invasion of Canaan by the Hebrews as much as it does a gradual intermingling of populations

You people are making same type of lame excuses as has been made by the Muslims when they are asked for the slaughtering of Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayzah in Madina. For that too no archaeological record is found.

Your excuse of "decisive" archaeological record is as lame as of the Muslims while it is almost next to impossible to find archaeological records of such massacres.

in what most archaeologists think is the time frame of Israelites' arrival in the region, between 1250 and 1100 B.C.

Israelis returned to the region with Moses, around 14500 years B.C. and not 1250 B.C.
And it was Moses, who already started the Holocausts in the region.

(which differs by several hundred years from one statement found in the Book of Judges.)

So, you mean all the multiple references of Old Testament regarding the Holocausts are all wrong?

Is the old testament distorted?

The archaeological record so far really comes closer to supporting the Biblical account of Israelites allying with the Gileadites

In which year? When Moses was massacring?
Link?

and the warning that if the Israelites failed to wipe out the population in Canaan they would be vexed by them for centuries instead - even if the Israelites allied with the local populations.

So that is why the Jewish Prophets slaughtered "all" the men, and then also "all the women" and children too?

Link of this archaeological record please, while it is difficult to believe that archaeological record could even tell such precisely that you have to kill the whole Native population, otherwise they will kill you.

As pointed out earlier in the thread, the Hebrews lived in Canaan before going to Egypt for hundreds of years, so it's also reasonable to assume that not all their relatives left and there were family connections that eased the Israelites return.

Any proof from old testament?

Again it would be strange if you accept the witness of your book in this case, but deny the multiple witnesses of your book about the massacres.

Keep in mind that Zionism does not rely upon the Hebrew bible as a necessary support: documented history and law are sufficient.

There is no other documented history except for the book that you believe in for this era.

Conclusion:
You don't have a single decisive proof to refute the multiple witnesses of Bible.
All your claims regarding archaeology are mere conjectures.

 

[Doctor Strange]

Europeans think they can easily carve out lands from anywhere in the world and make a country in their name, sometimes totally vanishing the ancient people and culture, sometimes make a colony. Like they vanished Mayan, Incan, Native Americans, Indigenous Australians, Mauri etc. Where they failed is Indian subcontinent, South Africa, Rhodesia/Zimbabwe etc. And now we are seeing slow and steady encroachment of European Jews in Palestine.