Jesus won’t save you — President Xi Jinping will, Chinese Christians told

[HannibalBarca]

all my Congolese friends are CHRISTIANs,care to explain why?!

more like Catholics, but you know.what i am talking about care to explain why?

They wre converted by missionaries under colonial rules... and I hope you know their past tradition few hundreds years ago?

Killing that is exactly what Yankees is doing on behalf of its believings and being the choosen race!

YOu are right... it's the truth... but it's the same for any one who has power and want to extend it...even China and it will continue in the future...
Let me say it again " EVERYONE with POWER and seek to expend WILL do the SAME" is it still right if everyone does it..?the answer is not...
it's the same logic as saying if everyone jump from the bridge...then it must be the right thing to do... or that gave you the right to do the same...

 

[lastofthepatriots]

So i guess they should encourage religion then which has always been the downfall of humanity.
tell me what has religion done for this world?Every single thing you're using today is made by an atheist thinker, anyone living under an Atheist state is always extremely smart, i have yet to see a dumb person who is an atheist here.

before you quote any dumb verse, let me tell you that everything you read about "oh look my book is scientific discovered 10000000 billion years ago so we are more scientific" can be found in any other religion's book because they're all MISINTERPRETED.
Lmfaooo what a joke, all those misinterpreted verses turning scientific everytime a scientist makes a new discovery.
absolute turds who believe in this hogwash.

You are a dumbass. Something comes from something. Nothing comes from nothing.

This is why Atheists will always be intellectually inferior.

Neither Jesus, nor Krishna or Mohamed or anybody would come to our help. So technically correct.

But belief is a belief. That's our brain. That's why we are humans. That's our right.

Muhammad saw is not God, so don't speak on Islam, If you are ignorant.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

By your answer... I don't really blame you, maybe a little ( alot perhaps) to not make your own research on the subject instead of hearing the biased one...

if you see someone acting like that... just send him in prison... it's a public enemy...

Religion when it cames were like the Human right charts of their time... Girl sacrifice/cannibalism/ rape/Incest etc... and so on were thing "normal" a part of the tradition... Religion suppressed it... that's an exemple many others... so ofc like "today" when you have a better view of our society it was normal to spread it... like any ideology is doing...

I will take communist one...snce you maybe familiar with it... no blood involved in his expension? didn't they said to everyone it's the good thing? that everyone should smoke it? and so on for every ideology outhere... but not all of them are right...




I respect you belief...car to tell me where i insulted your non-belief?

By your answer... I don't really blame you, maybe a little ( alot perhaps) to not make your own research on the subject instead of hearing the biased one...

if you see someone acting like that... just send him in prison... it's a public enemy...

Religion when it cames were like the Human right charts of their time... Girl sacrifice/cannibalism/ rape/Incest etc... and so on were thing "normal" a part of the tradition... Religion suppressed it... that's an exemple many others... so ofc like "today" when you have a better view of our society it was normal to spread it... like any ideology is doing...

I will take communist one...snce you maybe familiar with it... no blood involved in his expension? didn't they said to everyone it's the good thing? that everyone should smoke it? and so on for every ideology outhere... but not all of them are right...




I respect you belief...car to tell me where i insulted your non-belief?

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By your answer... I don't really blame you, maybe a little ( alot perhaps) to not make your own research on the subject instead of hearing the biased one...

if you see someone acting like that... just send him in prison... it's a public enemy...

Religion when it cames were like the Human right charts of their time... Girl sacrifice/cannibalism/ rape/Incest etc... and so on were thing "normal" a part of the tradition... Religion suppressed it... that's an exemple many others... so ofc like "today" when you have a better view of our society it was normal to spread it... like any ideology is doing...

I will take communist one...snce you maybe familiar with it... no blood involved in his expension? didn't they said to everyone it's the good thing? that everyone should smoke it? and so on for every ideology outhere... but not all of them are right...




I respect you belief...car to tell me where i insulted your non-belief?

No.country on this planet is communist country only communist party (or.they claimed to be)most of them do not know even themselves what communism is.
China is now very and very capitalized in economy and socialist in politics (or whatever definition it is).
best system for current China!
pursuing economic freedom instead of being head of.the world politically whatsoever!

that

They wre converted by missionaries under colonial rules... and I hope you know their past tradition few hundreds years ago?


YOu are right... it's the truth... but it's the same for any one who has power and want to extend it...even China and it will continue in the future...
Let me say it again " EVERYONE with POWER and seek to expend WILL do the SAME" is it still right if everyone does it..?the answer is not...
it's the same logic as saying if everyone jump from the bridge...then it must be the right thing to do... or that gave you the right to do the same...

That is.why you are wrong and do not understand chineses coz you.think others poeple acting like you,in most of cases,you are right,both americans and chineses are persuing happiness in life and economic freedom,to be rich,to.have someone we can love and love us back,chinese are.more family oriented while american are more individualized,but the fundmental requirements and persuing.are.the same.......
but chinese culture is passive and is conservative,in another word,we care much more our own business, go back to history,why China build great wall?for.fun or for tourism?
it was build to protect us from Mongolian and former races invasion!
even in Ming dynasty when China had the most powerful navy,they did not invaded any country more acted like show off around!
(whther it was stupid or not is another issue)
but basically China is a passive defensive country!
as long as we have some.level of.life standard we chinese can deal.with it!
that.is.the hisotry and the reality in China!

 

[HannibalBarca]

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No.country on this planet is communist country only communist party (or.they claimed to be)most of them do not know even themselves what communism is.
China is now very and very capitalized in economy and socialist in politics (or whatever definition it is).
best system for current China!
pursuing economic freedom instead of being head of.the world politically whatsoever!

Well, ppl choose what suits them...the moment smthing is not as they like it..they will say it and fight for it...
So even if China fall into a N-Korean sys or a US one later one... I don't really care, since Idon't live in... so it's their choice.

But minorities shoudl not suffer from the view of the majority either... a balance is needed... And don't take me wrong... I never said that all of China is doing it... it's like more of a statmeent on a specific topic... ( like here, with jesus and religion)

 

[thesolar65]

Muhammad saw is not God, so don't speak on Islam, If you are ignorant.

OK, replace Muhammad with Allah.

 

[kuge]

To be fair,, I think they are right to some extent.
Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha etc will never come down from heaven to come and change your life materially, financially, economically or provide basic social amenities needed for a normal human being. It's the government/leader of a country that provides all these things not a religious figure or GOD.
So if by 'save' the author meant financially /economically /social status etc then yes it's true that only Xi Jinping and his government can do that for the Chinese people not Jesus or whoever.
However, if by 'save ' the author meant in terms of faith/religious beliefs or spiritually etc then the author is right indeed.
So it depends on what he means by 'save' in this regard.

So we have to look at things the way they are. For if jesus or any other prophet /lord could save people economically, financially, and provide them with all the luxuries or basic needs of life, then Sub saharan african countries , South Asian countries(and SEA countries as well) , Middle Eastern countries etc will be the wealthiest and most developed regions on earth and their people won't be risking their lives in the sea/desert to emigrate away from their very religious societies to 'godless' or far less religious societies /countries in Europe /Canada/Australia etc .

So it depends on what is more important to each individual /human being. Is it living a good life financially/socially/materially that's more important or is it faith /spiritual accomplishment that's more important?

who can give eternal life? xi jingping or any mortals for that matter ? it is the christ who promises to bestow immortality to his followers....
whats even more that the present world will be over ruled by the messiah?

 

[mike2000 is back]

who can give eternal life? xi jingping or any mortals for that matter ? it is the christ who promises to bestow immortality to his followers....
whats even more that the present world will be over ruled by the messiah?

Huh..... How does that goes against any of the points I made?
I clearly differentiated between material things of life and spirituality. The former is provided by a country's government /leaders and the later by different religious beliefs the people of a given country hold.

However, it's kind of ironic to see many religious people nowadays think some supreme being will come and rescue them for their current plight and change the misery, famine, tyranny, human rights abuses, joblessness, chaotic state, nepotism, rampant poverty, and corruption their country suffers from. That will never happen. They have to take things into their own hands and stop believing in some illusionary miracle that will never come.
I'm yet to see a very religious developing country that sets a good example for other countries to follow in this regard. Especially considering the fact that they should be held in even higher standards than less religious /atheist developed western countries.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Just because I am non-religious, that does not mean I subscribe to the false dichotomy that you do.

Do you see the US government persecuting -- not merely prosecuting -- any religion in America ?

Do you see Catholics petrol bombing Protestants ?

Do you see Mormons killing Baptists ?

You live in the US, you know better.

It is not that your China cannot be a religiously diverse people without the violence that your government claims is inevitable. It is that the ( false ) communists that are running your country simply do not like the idea that the people can believe in something that can be more compelling than the idea that the state is the solution for everything.

state is the solution for everything who told you.that CHINA CPC told.us this? !
you.put those words in.our mouths by your self!

Huh..... How does that goes against any of the points I made?
I clearly differentiated between material things of life and spirituality. The former is provided by a country's government /leaders and the later by different religious beliefs the people of a given country hold.

However, it's kind of ironic to see many religious people nowadays think some supreme being will come and rescue them for their current plight and change the misery, famine, tyranny, human rights abuses, joblessness, chaotic state, nepotism, rampant poverty, and corruption their country suffers from. That will never happen. They have to take things into their own hands and stop believing in some illusionary miracle that will never come.
I'm yet to see a very religious developing country that sets a good example for other countries to follow in this regard. Especially considering the fact that they should be held in even higher standards than less religious /atheist developed western countries.

USA is a country based on social contract not religion, USA of today has little respect to Jesus....maybe in their words and expressionsy such as OMG or jesus !
that is pretty much all.

 

[kuge]

Huh..... How does that goes against any of the points I made?
I clearly differentiated between material things of life and spirituality. The former is provided by a country's government /leaders and the later by different religious beliefs the people of a given country hold.

However, it's kind of ironic to see many religious people nowadays think some supreme being will come and rescue them for their current plight and change the misery, famine, tyranny, human rights abuses, joblessness, chaotic state, nepotism, rampant poverty, and corruption their country suffers from. That will never happen. They have to take things into their own hands and stop believing in some illusionary miracle that will never come.
I'm yet to see a very religious developing country that sets a good example for other countries to follow in this regard. Especially considering the fact that they should be held in even higher standards than less religious /atheist developed western countries.

i m not retorting your point directly....sorry for that

if people take things into their hands thet would never ever be an end to miseries!! very sad prospect.
tell who can solve the plights of present world? democracy,socialism, xi jingping, trump, etc....?

but the high one(s) has determined a day will come to end human incompetence to many self inflicted wounds.
our earth simply cant go on like that forver...can it?
the history of nation of israel served an example of consequences of obeying & rebelling the high ones.

thus the supreme being will definitely send someone to end all sufferings cause by stupid human doings as he promises to do it!!

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

They wre converted by missionaries under colonial rules... and I hope you know their past tradition few hundreds years ago?


YOu are right... it's the truth... but it's the same for any one who has power and want to extend it...even China and it will continue in the future...
Let me say it again " EVERYONE with POWER and seek to expend WILL do the SAME" is it still right if everyone does it..?the answer is not...
it's the same logic as saying if everyone jump from the bridge...then it must be the right thing to do... or that gave you the right to do the same...

USA better be powerful forever coz USA made a very bad exemple for the world and the rest of the world has realized the pattern layout but USA: with biggest guns,you can do anything you want!!!

 

[HannibalBarca]

USA better be powerful forever coz USA made a very bad exemple for the world and the rest of the world has realized the pattern layout but USA: with biggest guns,you can do anything you want!!!

The USA all mighty Military power is still the strongest and for decades to come... but the difference with yesterday, it's that more countries around the world are stronger than before... no more dual pole of power...that' s over.

As for today, the US can pressure via different outlet to push for her agenda...but military approach is not as "intimidating" as before...

More they advance in the future, more US egimony is the world will fade... not bc they are less stronger but more around became stronger... therefore the balance of power is changing.

 

[kuge]

simply look at the attitudes & comments in this or any forum you will wonder how NOT the sufferings & self-inflicted misery will not end any time soon...
......who ever got bigger guns can do anything they like....yeah...

 

[Zsari]

That still does not explain why the Chinese government MUST persecute religions.

I do not care about your welfare, so you must fight me ? That make no sense.

It'll make sense if you are taking care of a flower field, your concern would be for anyone or anything to come through and trample your field. Whereas US is fighting a war against "religious extremism" halfway around the world, I don't see China having any issue with religion outside of its border. But inside its border, that's its flower field.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

It'll make sense if you are taking care of a flower field, your concern would be for anyone or anything to come through and trample your field. Whereas US is fighting a war against "religious extremism" halfway around the world, I don't see China having any issue with religion outside of its border. But inside its border, that's its flower field.

Beautifully said. Like a beautiful flower field.

 

[NoOne'sBoy]

That has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with religion.
You are talking as if the most religious counties on earth are the most pious, moral etc. That's the opposite if you look at it carefully. Which countries are the most corrupt, chaotic, dishonest, greedy, selfish even among their own people? Having been to many countries(as a tourist mostly) from Europe to Asia to Australia to Africa to the middle east to south America I will say that the countries who were most corrupt even publicly, chaotic were mostly the most religious ones in subsaharan africa and middle East and south Asia to a lesser extent.

i didnt talk about religion. i am not a religious person but i realised that with all the hate they get religious people are quite nice. even in the UK. the peofrom from the countryside are super nice compared tp the twats in london. and east asia is everything that we shouldnt be. especially japan and korea. i have never seen more robotic people in my life. they have no leadership skills, passion or empathy. they just do what they are told and worship power. they see everything in a hierachical way. lets not even get into massive social problems they have.