J-K not part of India, seeking plebiscite not a crime: Engineer Rashid

[Taimoor Khan]

lol , ever herd about Alexzander ? King Porus and Ashoka? lol , I feel pitty you don't know real history as Muslims are ashmed to tell, , see the King porus and Ashoke the great ,,,,, just wonder why Muslims are scared they have to destroy Bhuddha statue in Afgan?

you people fed with wrong history.... goto net and searh n read real history.

LOL what did I just read here!! King Porus you said? THe northern Punjabi from Jehlum? Since when you become related to him? You Indians are pathetic glory hunter. its the ancient Pakistanis, the people of Indus who destroyed the super power of that time, that gaylord Alexander. Two nation theory is not only based on religion but it can be validated with the study of Ancient archaeology, We are the ones who build Indus, while you lot on east are our offshoot of Ganges civilization. Historically, the Ganges civilization has always been under the thumb of Indus.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

LOL what did I just read here!! King Porus you said? THe northern Punjabi from Jehlum? Since when you become related to him? You Indians are pathetic glory hunter. its the ancient Pakistanis, the people of Indus who destroyed the super power of that time, that gaylord Alexander. Two nation theory is not only based on religion but it can be validated with the study of Ancient archaeology, We are the ones who build Indus, while you lot on east are our offshoot of Ganges civilization. Historically, the Ganges civilization has always been under the thumb of Indus.

lol , Porus ,is from Puru Indian clan as also mentioned indian vedas. they are ( Lord Krishna Clan) ,

just for knowledge , the Krishna Nagari of 12000 yrs old has been found under water. By that time your Muslims was not even existed , forget about Pakistan.

Just for your stupid information , Porus was defeated by Alexzander... that's why Chandragupta taken over the entire India.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Any fact presented sounds BS to the party on loosing side my friend. .


My friend under Maurya Dynasty almost all of pakistan was under Hindu Rule. With the same logic, Pakistan should be handed over to Hindus.

So lets make a deal, we will give Kashmir to pakistan and then immediately Paksitan should cease to exist and become part of Hindustan. Is that ok with you?

The dyNast u are proud of where women used to be get satti ... to the country where every 10 minutes one women get raped..
Hindustan was in peace when muslims were rulling... india sud give itself to Pakistan without any hesitation if u wanna be superduper power or live in dream land where u have nothing but sad past with ugly imaginary stories..
Wake up bud 700 thousands army is not selling cow meat to muslims in Kashmir.

Hindi history is more then 1000 years, as more before then first Muslim came into existence. through out history , Muslims destroyed other religion and try to concor it.

lol. how much feel if you also given choices like barbaric Muslims did in past? change your religion or get killed?

what are you views on China capturing of Tibet? and Jerusalem and dafur? if you have diff views then you are nothing but hypocrite , which only this he is right



lol , ever herd about Alexzander ? King Porus and Ashoka? lol , I feel pitty you don't know real history as Muslims are ashmed to tell, , see the King porus and Ashoke the great ,,,,, just wonder why Muslims are scared they have to destroy Bhuddha statue in Afgan?

you people fed with wrong history.... goto net and searh n read real history.


lol what pitty, gotto history , India land extended till afgan long before Ashoke.....It was Porus...who rule till afgan.....white flag ..lol .... cant argue who feed with wrong history in madrassa .... search the net n read history n then came.



70000 year old M130 gene from first African migration was traced to people near madurai. Who is more native to this land then? Based on 3000yr old gene pool analysis, aryan dravidian divide is a myth and both are native to this land.. Then why the Kashmiri muslims can't be native here..

lol Sci has changed my dear Africa theory is now not hold more then anything.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34531861

Sci is based on findings , if sci don't find anything till now , that doesn't means it dose not existed.....[/QUOTE]
If muslims forced to make my forefather converted i am glad they did it...
Just a food for ur thought how hindustan still have hindu majority after 900 years of muslm rule.
Temperd history wont get u anything choice is urs u wanna live in this human world or zombie land where u have nothing but programs like "Ghar wapsi".

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Just a food for ur thought how hindustan still have hindu majority after 900 years of muslm rule.
Temperd history wont get u anything choice is urs u wanna live in this human world or zombie land where u have nothing but programs like "Ghar wapsi".

nope Muslims not able to control the whole of India ...... so they just rely on co existence on delhi n north area , they are not able to reach South / West india. that's why not Muslims in RAJ, and MP area below...... Check history..... first.... 900 only Muslim rules North India.....

Just wanna burst your myth , Muslims was not able to rule north area ........... where they live , they always killed/ converted / destroyed other religion . RAM Temple is one, which is proven that Hindu Temple is destroyed to build Mosque ( this is biggest proof)

 

[Pulsar]

LOL, how cute.

I posted the fact that Pakistani forces invaded Kashmir in 1947 and occupied territory illegally but my post was deleted by some mod saying that I don't know my history!! Really? Check this out....

Pak Brigadier (later Major General) Akbar Khan's own book Raiders in Kashmir (National Book Foundation, Pakistan, 1975) gives a thorough account of his role in the Pakistani attack on Jammu and Kashmir.

Brigadier Akbar recalls that everyone was enthusiastic but no one including the Prime Minister had any concrete idea about the tangible and concrete aspects of the actual plan of operations, specially as far as the logistic and
armament aspect was concerned. Shaukat was appointed as overall in-charge with Major Khurshid Anwar (Retired) commanding the northern tribal force which was as per Akbar' s appreciation to attack on Muzaffarabad-Srinagar axis and Major Zaman Kiani to command the southern force tasked to operate against the Kathua area in the south.

The invasion was to commence from 20th October 1947; the main northern tribal force invading Kashmir under Khurshid Anwar on Abbottabad-Garhi Habibullah-Muzaffarabad-Srinagar axis with a smaller
auxiliary force advancing along Murree-Kohala-Muzaffarabad axis.

By morning of 21 October the 2,000 raiders assisted by the Muslim Companies of the 4 Jammu
and Kashmir State Infantry Battalion had captured the first major border town Muzaffarabad. The 1947-48 Kashmir War had formally started.

Also read: THE 1947-48 Kashmir War The war of lost opportunities
by Maj (Retd) AGHA HUMAYUN AMIN

.... https://archive.org/stream/The1947-...2996-The-1947-48-Kashmir-War-Revised_djvu.txt

This is straight from the horses mouth, in fact two, one from the commander of the invading Pak forces and the other who took part in the ops! And I am told that I don't know my history, resulting in my post being deleted!! Jeeez!

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Let me ask you AGAIN, where did I bring Islam Vs Hinduism or any other ISM in this debate? I am focused, question is, are you? You are already exhibiting tendencies of a looser. I am asking you again, prove to me India got historical claims over the land of Kashmir, by which virtue?

I think I already answered this portion than History of Kashmir issue started on 1947 and that's the reference point for me. I am not here to provide proofs for others claim.
And I again reiterate, the Colonial options were very clear, the states should either join India or Pakistan. The sole right was given to the rulers of that princely state. Kashmir's Maharaja choose to be part of India after Pakistan's forces invaded the area of Kashmir. Thats the written documented fact. That is done because as per Pakistan Kashmir being Muslim dominted land should be handed over to them. So why denying the fact that religion is the driving force for Pakistan to claim Kashmir?

The dyNast u are proud of where women used to be get satti ... to the country where every 10 minutes one women get raped..
Hindustan was in peace when muslims were rulling... india sud give itself to Pakistan without any hesitation if u wanna be superduper power or live in dream land where u have nothing but sad past with ugly imaginary stories..
Wake up bud 700 thousands army is not selling cow meat to muslims in Kashmir.

and sati was abolished by the hardwork of a Hindu. So what is your point? How many were butchered under Muslim rules? How many were tortured under Muslim rules? How many were converted under Muslim rules?
More over the muslim rule you are proud of sustained because it adopted the local culture and thats why called ganga-jamuna tehzeeb. This form of Islam flourished in India. Not the saudi form which plundered India started with the same land which is called Pakistan today. So tell me which form of Islam are your referring to and proud of when you are saying Muslim rule?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I posted the fact that Pakistani forces invaded Kashmir in 1947 and occupied territory illegally but my post was deleted by some mod saying that I don't know my history!! Really? Check this out....

Pak Brigadier (later Major General) Akbar Khan's own book Raiders in Kashmir (National Book Foundation, Pakistan, 1975) gives a thorough account of his role in the Pakistani attack on Jammu and Kashmir.

Brigadier Akbar recalls that everyone was enthusiastic but no one including the Prime Minister had any concrete idea about the tangible and concrete aspects of the actual plan of operations, specially as far as the logistic and
armament aspect was concerned. Shaukat was appointed as overall in-charge with Major Khurshid Anwar (Retired) commanding the northern tribal force which was as per Akbar' s appreciation to attack on Muzaffarabad-Srinagar axis and Major Zaman Kiani to command the southern force tasked to operate against the Kathua area in the south.

The invasion was to commence from 20th October 1947; the main northern tribal force invading Kashmir under Khurshid Anwar on Abbottabad-Garhi Habibullah-Muzaffarabad-Srinagar axis with a smaller
auxiliary force advancing along Murree-Kohala-Muzaffarabad axis.

By morning of 21 October the 2,000 raiders assisted by the Muslim Companies of the 4 Jammu
and Kashmir State Infantry Battalion had captured the first major border town Muzaffarabad. The 1947-48 Kashmir War had formally started.

Also read: THE 1947-48 Kashmir War The war of lost opportunities
by Maj (Retd) AGHA HUMAYUN AMIN

.... https://archive.org/stream/The1947-...2996-The-1947-48-Kashmir-War-Revised_djvu.txt

This is straight from the horses mouth, in fact two, one from the commander of the invading Pak forces and the other who took part in the ops! And I am told that I don't know my history, resulting in my post being deleted!! Jeeez!

And what is your point? Ofcourse Pakistan is not gonig to sit back on its arse and watch India swallow the land which belongs to Pakistan at first place. You need to read the history my son. Gordaspur, the only land route to Kashmir from what is now India back in 1947 was first few days after 14th August was part of Pakistan officially, but somehow the British overlords had a change of mind and gifted Gordaspur to India which later India used to send it troops to illegally occupy Kashmir. The plan was in motion to facilitate India control over Kashmir, Pakistan was left with no option but to respond which it did.

I think I already answered this portion than History of Kashmir issue started on 1947 and that's the reference point for me. I am not here to provide proofs for others claim.
And I again reiterate, the Colonial options were very clear, the states should either join India or Pakistan. The sole right was given to the rulers of that princely state. Kashmir's Maharaja choose to be part of India after Pakistan's forces invaded the area of Kashmir. Thats the written documented fact. That is done because as per Pakistan Kashmir being Muslim dominted land should be handed over to them. So why denying the fact that religion is the driving force for Pakistan to claim Kashmir?

The is my friend is BULLSH|T. It was and always been the people of the state who would decide if they want to join Pakistan or India. No one person could have or would have decided the fate of millions. And for the argument sake, your perception is accepted, coming for so called country which believe in so called "democratic" system, you do understand that Nazim of Hyderabad state opted for Pakistan only to see his state being swallowed by Indian army.

At the end of the day, you cannot have your cake and eat it.

 

[manlion]

India has killed 94,290 Kashmiris since January 1989
http://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/pakistan/india-has-killed-94290-kashmiris-since-january-1989/

 

[Osiris]

India has killed 94,290 Kashmiris since January 1989
http://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/pakistan/india-has-killed-94290-kashmiris-since-january-1989/

Well actually half of those were Pakistanis.

 

[jetray]

I posted the fact that Pakistani forces invaded Kashmir in 1947 and occupied territory illegally but my post was deleted by some mod saying that I don't know my history!! Really? Check this out....

Pak Brigadier (later Major General) Akbar Khan's own book Raiders in Kashmir (National Book Foundation, Pakistan, 1975) gives a thorough account of his role in the Pakistani attack on Jammu and Kashmir.

Brigadier Akbar recalls that everyone was enthusiastic but no one including the Prime Minister had any concrete idea about the tangible and concrete aspects of the actual plan of operations, specially as far as the logistic and
armament aspect was concerned. Shaukat was appointed as overall in-charge with Major Khurshid Anwar (Retired) commanding the northern tribal force which was as per Akbar' s appreciation to attack on Muzaffarabad-Srinagar axis and Major Zaman Kiani to command the southern force tasked to operate against the Kathua area in the south.

The invasion was to commence from 20th October 1947; the main northern tribal force invading Kashmir under Khurshid Anwar on Abbottabad-Garhi Habibullah-Muzaffarabad-Srinagar axis with a smaller
auxiliary force advancing along Murree-Kohala-Muzaffarabad axis.

By morning of 21 October the 2,000 raiders assisted by the Muslim Companies of the 4 Jammu
and Kashmir State Infantry Battalion had captured the first major border town Muzaffarabad. The 1947-48 Kashmir War had formally started.

Also read: THE 1947-48 Kashmir War The war of lost opportunities


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This is straight from the horses mouth, in fact two, one from the commander of the invading Pak forces and the other who took part in the ops! And I am told that I don't know my history, resulting in my post being deleted!! Jeeez!

Dont waste your time & effort on convincing the trolls that crows are black. Let them believe whatever they want. Our silence will hit them more hard than our words.

 

[manlion]

Well actually half of those were Pakistanis.

Your dilemma is understandable, cant digest the fact that 90% Kashmiris wish to be free from Hindian occupation. So denial or using a phantom should relief your conscience free of guilt

 

[Osiris]

Your dilemma is understandable, cant digest the fact that 90% Kashmiris wish to be free from Hindian occupation. So denial or using a phantom should relief your conscience free of guilt

If 90% of Kashmir wanted freedom, No power on earth could have kept them with India.
It took East Pakistanis just 7 months to attain their freedom..Kashmir has been with India for 70 years.

 

[kasper95]

Your dilemma is understandable, cant digest the fact that 90% Kashmiris wish to be free from Hindian occupation. So denial or using a phantom should relief your conscience free of guilt

if they can't live with others ,they are free to go ,they can cross the border or leave the country where they can live peacefully and hsppy . same applies to any one be it Tamils,Telugu's,Malayalam's or any one.

 

[manlion]

if they can't live with others ,they are free to go ,they can cross the border or leave the country where they can live peacefully and hsppy . same applies to any one be it Tamils,Telugu's,Malayalam's or any one.

geographically and culturally Kashmir belongs to Pakistan, Kashmiris not cow-ards to cross border, once occupying Hindian army is kicked out - peace and happiness will prevail in the valley

 

[kasper95]

geographically and culturally Kashmir belongs to Pakistan, Kashmiris not cow-ards to cross border, once occupying Hindian army is kicked out - peace and happiness will prevail in the valley

you can cry all you want, Kashmir is going no where. as for the occupying army ,you know who came from where .