J-K not part of India, seeking plebiscite not a crime: Engineer Rashid

[45'22']

Pak is going to give a 10 year sentence to a guy who unintentionally raised the Indian flag....why cant we do the same with this one who has the wrong intent?

For how long are we gonna maintain the hathi chale bazaar,kutte bhonkhe hazaar stance

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Any fact presented sounds BS to the party on loosing side my friend. .

The problem with you Indians is that you change your goal post as soon as your are cornered. Read again how this "historical" debate was started as if India got some ancient claim to Kashmir. Kashmir issue is older then your 65 year old history .

 

[Politico]

Be it brit , spanish or portugese, they were all colonial, the term India is not aboriginal but colonial by all terms and definitions.
Just like ancient Egypt was must bigger then what it is now , Ancient Pakistan was much larger, comprising the lands of whole current western Indian belt from Kashmir down to Gujrat, whole of Afghanistan, Iran, and some part of Turkmenistan. This has been proven by Archaeology. Not just kashmir, we got birth right effectively over the region around us, because we are the people of Indus. We are the ones who build , sustained, and expanded our empire/civlization for thousands and thousands of years.



Please read again. the word "historic" was used to make Indian claim over Kashmir. that is where my objection started.

my father whose family came frm delhi says u r talking nonsense. my mother whose family is from lahore agrees with u. i will debate with my family instead of u on topic

 

[chhota bheem]

During the great famine of Kashmir in which 5 lakh died many migrated to areas that now makeup North Punjab if you knew history you wouldnt have said something as stupid as this

And i am from Azad Kashmir i dont require certificate from a bengali or tamil to prove it

mirpuri a kashmiri go on....i am all ears

The problem with you Indians is that you change your goal post as soon as your are cornered. Read again how this "historical" debate was started as if India got some ancient claim to Kashmir. Kashmir issue is older then your 65 year old history .

Bro you seriously belive what you wrote,i mean India has no history 65 years ago.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

my father whose family came frm delhi says u r talking nonsense. my mother whose family is from lahore agrees with u. i will debate with my family instead of u on topic

Let me speak to your father, I will convince him.

 

[Politico]

Let me speak to your father, I will convince him.

he is typical muhajir. more love 4 india than pakistan. no convincing him

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Bro you seriously belive what you wrote,i mean India has no history 65 years ago.

Dude, let me ask again what I have already said few times. what the British Raj, the colonial era, during which time this region was classified by her Majesty the Queen of England as "INDIA", got anything to do with you lot, who borrowed the name from Britishers to call their newly formed country on 15 August 1947 as, India? By borrowing name you are not borrowing the history of your colonial master, are you? You may not like me saying this, but with the colonial master departure from sub continent, this term India should have been buried there and then, as it reek nothing but the past of slavery and subjugation of foreign imperial Anglo-Saxon warlords. its a shame, not an honor. Less said about the India "historical" claim to Kashmir the better.

 

[Zibago]

mirpuri a kashmiri go on....i am all ears


Bro you seriously belive what you wrote,i mean India has no history 65 years ago.

Tell your government to remove Mirpur and tge rest of Ajk and GB from maps of Occupied Kashmir

 

[Taimoor Khan]

he is typical muhajir. more love 4 india than pakistan. no convincing him

Seriously? and I thought us lot the Mohajirs as the most anti-India in Pakistan. I guess your father took the air plane on his way to Pakistan, avoiding what was happening on the ground. My folks were not that privileged.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

The problem with you Indians is that you change your goal post as soon as your are cornered. Read again how this "historical" debate was started as if India got some ancient claim to Kashmir. Kashmir issue is older then your 65 year old history .

On your generalization nonsense, The problem with Paksitani is that they see everything from the prism of religion. Even a small nookar wala incident can be turned into religious battle without even seeing the complete context. But wait a minute..that is what pakistan is all about. It is created based on religion. hence everything should be religion for them..

On Topic, thats what I asked in my first post, how old is actually old for you?

 

[Zibago]

he is typical muhajir. more love 4 india than pakistan. no convincing him

My mother side of family are also muhajirs from jammu not all those who migrated are same 20% of Pakistani are muhajirs

 

[Taimoor Khan]

On your generalization nonsense, The problem with Paksitani is that they see everything from the prism of religion. Even a small nookar wala incident can be turned into religious battle without even seeing the complete context. But wait a minute..that is what pakistan is all about. It is created based on religion. hence everything should be religion for them..

On Topic, thats what I asked in my first post, how old is actually old for you?

Ok now you are starting to have intellectual hallucination. When did the religion come into this debate? Perhaps this is what I was referring to as "changing the goal post as soon as being cornered Indian syndrome"!?

Your kind, rather emphatically declared Kashmir , "historically" part of India, as if some long ancient association with this piece of land, all I am asking you is to PROVE IT. Ounce is on you, not me. I am here to debunk you, not please you in any shape or form.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Ok now you are starting to have intellectual hallucination. When did the religion come into this debate? Perhaps this is what I was referring to as "changing the goal post as soon as being cornered Indian syndrome"!?

Your kind, rather emphatically declared Kashmir , "historically" part of India, as if some long ancient association with this piece of land, all I am asking you is to PROVE IT. Ounce is on you, not me. I am here to debunk you, not please you in any shape or form.

When you have the wisdom to generalize Indians of changing goal post, then i have the right to bring anything into our conversation. and it is mere fact that Pakistan was created because of religion. Even whole Kashmir fight is because of religion. Where is the goal post change? Where am I cornered? Tell me what is Pakistan's stand on Kashmir? Why Pakistan is saying Kashmir should be part of it? On what basis?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

When you have the wisdom to generalize Indians of changing goal post, then i have the right to bring anything into our conversation. and it is mere fact that Pakistan was created because of religion. Even whole Kashmir fight is because of religion. Where is the goal post change? Where am I cornered? Tell me what is Pakistan's stand on Kashmir? Why Pakistan is saying Kashmir should be part of it? On what basis?

Let me ask you AGAIN, where did I bring Islam Vs Hinduism or any other ISM in this debate? I am focused, question is, are you? You are already exhibiting tendencies of a looser. I am asking you again, prove to me India got historical claims over the land of Kashmir, by which virtue?

For the underlined part, our stance is based on the guiding principle on the basis of which Colonial British entity called India was divided between Pakistan , and the one who carried on the legacy of colonial masters by calling their country as "India", agreed by the leaders of the two side, WHICH IS, that People of the different states of British India would decide which country they would opt for. This opportunity was never given to Kashmirs to decide their fate. Thats why I said, that Kashmir is a unresolved issue of partition, which was also said by COAS Raheel Shareef not long ago. If Kashmirs decide to go to India, then all the best, but if they decide to join Pakistan, their wish must be respected by all. Can it be more democratic then this? You lot consider yourself as champion of democracy, so called world largest democracy, and of all the people, you should appreciate it.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Humans are not tree who pop ups from round.. some one come here from somewhere..
Recent history of 1000 years where few hindu states were united under muslim states.. it was muslim who ruled 900 years of hindustan where british came and gave u name british ìndia which u are so proud of..
Indian books specially hindu raj messed up ur history by not telling u the truth..
Kashmir is and was muslims majority when partition in 47.. it suppose and will be part of Pakistan or seprate country their choice.. but indian wont be able to hold it long.. 700 thousands army men keeping it intact . Muslim will keep pushing it till then.. u can say ur wet dream stories please..

Hindi history is more then 1000 years, as more before then first Muslim came into existence. through out history , Muslims destroyed other religion and try to concor it.

lol. how much feel if you also given choices like barbaric Muslims did in past? change your religion or get killed?

what are you views on China capturing of Tibet? and Jerusalem and dafur? if you have diff views then you are nothing but hypocrite , which only this he is right

The word "India" is a colonial term, got no ancient historic significance, created by Brits to refer these lands as colonial entity and its colonial subjects as "Indians". No wonder your obsession with foreign masters has not died down and you feel proud to be called Indian and your country India.

Please feel free to go beyond British raj, there was no "India" before British Raj, but there is a small matter of Muslim rule over subcontinent for around about thousand years.

And if you really want to go in ancient history of this region, there is only one empire, one country, one civilization, which our Pakistani ancestors build and sustained for thousands and thousands of years long before Babylonians and Egyptians, called Indus. Which effectively put us as being most ancient of all human race, mother of all human civilization. With this background, do you think, you lot in our east, the people of Ganges civilization got any standing to on your claims? You can, however, claim to be from us, like the other civilizations that came after Indus. Kashmir is just a very small part of a much larger picture here my Son. We are not claiming lands by design, but only by default. Its our sovereign birth right, for we are the people of mighty Indus, the land of pure.

lol , ever herd about Alexzander ? King Porus and Ashoka? lol , I feel pitty you don't know real history as Muslims are ashmed to tell, , see the King porus and Ashoke the great ,,,,, just wonder why Muslims are scared they have to destroy Bhuddha statue in Afgan?

you people fed with wrong history.... goto net and searh n read real history.

It happens with every king not so special with muslim kings. How the mauryas and ashokas extended their territory till afghanistan and took buddhism till there, with white flag?

lol what pitty, gotto history , India land extended till afgan long before Ashoke.....It was Porus...who rule till afgan.....white flag ..lol .... cant argue who feed with wrong history in madrassa .... search the net n read history n then came.

Everyone has to go africa only as all our roots are traced to adam the man from africa. Will you believe if i say even the pandiyas killed thousands of tamil Jains in favour of shaivite?

70000 year old M130 gene from first African migration was traced to people near madurai. Who is more native to this land then? Based on 3000yr old gene pool analysis, aryan dravidian divide is a myth and both are native to this land.. Then why the Kashmiri muslims can't be native here..[/QUOTE]

lol Sci has changed my dear Africa theory is now not hold more then anything.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34531861

Sci is based on findings , if sci don't find anything till now , that doesn't means it dose not existed.....