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[Mithridates]

I doubt Russia will sell us engines unless we can make something equal to it.

bro most of the things people say about the russia is not true. at the s-300 issue russians were pissed off because we managed to upgrade and reverse engineering some of their stuff otherwise they don't have a problem with selling us what we want. after we sued them both sides compromised in some fields.
imagine we buy soloviev d-30 engines and make something like mig-25 with better alloys like 7075 aluminum and maybe titanium with +6-7g limits and bayyenat radar along with kowsars avionics...
about the f7s i think it's just for experimental reasons they won't do it for all of the fleet.

 

[VEVAK]

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Another option for IRIAF is modifying 44 Iraqi Su22 with removing heavy movable wings and change them with fixed delta wings added with canard.
With AL21F as engine this editing give:
more thrust to weight ratio to fighter
And deleting nose air intake to side air intake give:
more space for bigger and better radarView attachment 553191

What your suggesting would give Iran an aircraft similar to but less advanced than the J-10 and it probably be better if Iran simply replaced them with J-10's

Best thing for the Su-22 is to take the AL-21's reverse engineer and upgrade them and then build a completely new twin engine delta winged Ti composite force multipliers around them
If it was up to me I would wanna focus on a larger twin engine fighter because Iran is a large country with limited resources so any manned fighter we build should be a larger twin seat force multiplier produced at a rate of 12 or at max 24 per year (1-2 per month) and for close air support Iran should work towards building advanced supersonic UCAV's that would work in cooperation with larger force multipliers a highly advanced UCAV that can be produced at a rate of 1 per week capable of Air to Air and Air to ground operations.

I think the J-85 or OWJ is an appropriate engine for a advanced Super Sonic high maneuvering stealth UCAVs with 1or2 direction TVC that could also escort and feed sensor data into your force multipliers and be controlled by the co-pilot when needed securely from as far as 250km away

Iran's version of the XQ-58 with less range but with superior speed and maneuvering capability

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kratos_XQ-58_Valkyrie

 

[Ray_Atek]

What your suggesting would give Iran an aircraft similar to but less advanced than the J-10 and it probably be better if Iran simply replaced them with J-10's

Are you sure China will give j10 to Iran?
Are you sure the su22 is in same class of j10?

Agr

Best thing for the Su-22 is to take the AL-21's reverse engineer and upgrade them and then build a completely new twin engine delta winged Ti composite force multipliers around them
If it was up to me I would wanna focus on a larger twin engine fighter because Iran is a large country with limited resources so any manned fighter we build should be a larger twin seat force multiplier produced at a rate of 12 or at max 24 per year (1-2 per month) and for close air support Iran should work towards building advanced supersonic UCAV's that would work in cooperation with larger force multipliers a highly advanced UCAV that can be produced at a rate of 1 per week capable of Air to Air and Air to ground operations.

Agree,but Iran can not make titanium fuslege frame for heavy fighter at now.
Forget the titanium composite, but may be carbon fiber composite do the work better.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

In the event of war, if there is a communication jamming launched against Iran, how will #2 and #3 fair against those odds? Remember in 2011, Libyan government fell due to heavy jamming against its radars to the point where they became useless.

Is it necessary to make one bigger fighter jet in today's world?

I mean, if Iran could take benefit of Data Linking, then tasks could be distributed in small, but specialized drones and fighter jets.

For example, instead of buying one Su-30 from Russia, Iran could take this path too:

(1) A twin (even Owj) engine small "stealth" fighter jet, but without radar and without missiles. It should carry only the pilot and avionics, thus giving it a long range and faster speeds.

(2) And it should be companied with a stealth drone which carries only a bigger radar

(3) And 2nd stealth drone should carry only the missiles in it's belly.


A pack of these 3 indigenously made jet/drones may be cheaper than one SU-30 and may be more effective than Su-30 too due to their tiny size and stealth capabilities.

I am not in favour of foreign fighter jets.

 

[TheImmortal]

What your suggesting would give Iran an aircraft similar to but less advanced than the J-10 and it probably be better if Iran simply replaced them with J-10's

Best thing for the Su-22 is to take the AL-21's reverse engineer and upgrade them and then build a completely new twin engine delta winged Ti composite force multipliers around them
If it was up to me I would wanna focus on a larger twin engine fighter because Iran is a large country with limited resources so any manned fighter we build should be a larger twin seat force multiplier produced at a rate of 12 or at max 24 per year (1-2 per month) and for close air support Iran should work towards building advanced supersonic UCAV's that would work in cooperation with larger force multipliers a highly advanced UCAV that can be produced at a rate of 1 per week capable of Air to Air and Air to ground operations.

I think the J-85 or OWJ is an appropriate engine for a advanced Super Sonic high maneuvering stealth UCAVs with 1or2 direction TVC that could also escort and feed sensor data into your force multipliers and be controlled by the co-pilot when needed securely from as far as 250km away

Iran's version of the XQ-58 with less range but with superior speed and maneuvering capability

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i
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kratos_XQ-58_Valkyrie

Iran has close to 0% Chance of reverse engineering AL-21 without having blueprints/TOT (either black market or directly from manufacturer) especially with its current military budget.

Plus Iran’s best and brightest military minds either go into engineering (ballistic missiles), nuclear engineering, or cyber warfare/computer programming.

Jet engines isn’t exactly a growing field in Iran.

So Iran also needs to divert resources (minds) to the field that can achieve a breakthrough.

There isn’t even proof Iran has managed to reverse engineer RQ-170 engine.

 

[VEVAK]

Iran has close to 0% Chance of reverse engineering AL-21 without having blueprints/TOT (either black market or directly from manufacturer) especially with its current military budget.

Plus Iran’s best and brightest military minds either go into engineering (ballistic missiles), nuclear engineering, or cyber warfare/computer programming.

Jet engines isn’t exactly a growing field in Iran.

So Iran also needs to divert resources (minds) to the field that can achieve a breakthrough.

There isn’t even proof Iran has managed to reverse engineer RQ-170 engine.

AL-21's are not a very sophisticated design for the blueprints to mean much when you already have the engine especially since they are a 60's era engine built before computers even existed and yes in terms metallurgy matching the turbine inlet temperatures of the AL-21's may be a problem Iran would have to tackle but if they use materials used on the J79 it could get them close enough that an improvement on the design and maybe even new ceramic composite ball brings and a completely new type of cooling unit could potentially make a lot of difference.

Even if the end result is an engine with a max dry thrust of 15,000lbf as appose to 17,000 lbf and max thrust of 20,000lbf it would still be a better engine to work on and improve on in the long run than the J79's because they are twin spool

But your right in terms of Iran's investment in developing it's own high thrust Jet engine because for that Iran would need upwards of 20 separate teams attempting to not only reverse engineer and develop but also improve on various aspects of the engine who are also equipped with the right tools, equipment, materials & funding to do their job properly and all that would simply be for a prototype and it would be another hell of it own to go from there to a production model now is it within Iran's technological capabilities yes it is but the funding and willingness to do so is another matter especially taking into account the fact that by the time your ready for production of an improved model to be put on a domestically built fighter jet U.S., Russia & maybe even the EU will be fielding near space combat aircrafts and that's why I think it's best to focus on a smaller number of force multipliers that can be produced at a rate of 1 per month that would accompany a massive fleet of UCAV's of all shapes and sizes while attempting to build near space UCAV's of your own

 

[skyshadow]

Iranian Air Force to Debut New Homegrown Fighter Jet in Massive Parade

https://sputniknews.com/military/201904161074189310-iranian-made-jets-to-debut-in-parade/

 

[TheImmortal]

Iranian Air Force to Debut New Homegrown Fighter Jet in Massive Parade

https://sputniknews.com/military/201904161074189310-iranian-made-jets-to-debut-in-parade/

Disappointing, they are rolling out Saeqeh and Kowsar for this air parade.

Not a single piece of news on anything else. Hopefully they surprise us with at least some updates. But this would have been the perfect time for 1st public flight of F-313, if it was actually progressing.

 

[skyshadow]

Disappointing, they are rolling out Saeqeh and Kowsar for this air parade.

Not a single piece of news on anything else. Hopefully they surprise us with at least some updates. But this would have been the perfect time for 1st public flight of F-313, if it was actually progressing.

i hope for an surprise too, i want it to be Bavar 373 or F-313 . fingers crossed

 

[arashkamangir]

Personally is prefer to save the money and resources and divert them for flood relief.

This is no time to show off gear instead relieve pressure.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Iranian Air Force to Debut New Homegrown Fighter Jet in Massive Parade

https://sputniknews.com/military/201904161074189310-iranian-made-jets-to-debut-in-parade/

Very good Iran. This small fighter plane is very powerful and a nice advance for the Iranian army.

 

[Mithridates]

guys i'm back with new theories with examples of them for AF future planes:
1- MC Donnell Douglas A-12
it was a carrier based flying wing fighter/bomber concept for US navy. A-12 had two f-404 engines which are almost at the same class of rd-33. A-12 had the capability to carry 4 monitions (bombs/missiles).
so i'm wondering why we can't make a manned version of simorgh with two rd-93 engines and bayyenat radar??

2-Republic XF-103
this plane was supposed to fly at mach 5 and intercept soviet atomic bombers before they reach US soil. but the point i want to discuss is not the plane itself but it's propulsion system. this plane used a novel approach to gain more power from the engine by placing a ramjet engine in back of the torbojet engine as its after burner.

by this, xf-103 was able to produce 180 kn thrust while the wright x-67 was able to produce only 67 kn, its 2.68 times more than the dry thrust.
now lets talk about what iran maded and what we can do in future: we know that our next engine is j-90 which is turbofan version of GE j-85 and it's gonna produce almost 20 kn of dry thrust so if we produce a plane with two of this engine and put a/two of those ramjets on their back, considering that turbofan engine have more oxygen in their exhausts (so the 2.68 gonna increase to something like 3), the overall output thrust gonna be 120 kn!!!
so for a plane with 10 tons of gross weight we gonna have thrust to weight ratio equal to 1.2!!!
considering that soviets maded a mach 3 plane with only steel (mig-25) we may have a mach 3 plane as well!!!
3-dornier do-31 VTOL transporting plane

german VTOL transporting plane with capacity for 36 troops or 3.5 tons of payload. although it used more powerful engines to vertically take of but there are other ways to produce that much of thrust (8 rb-162 engines with 160 kn).
Ryan XV-5 with two GE j85 successfully produced 71 kn which is three times more than the thrust of two j-85s.

so if we had rd-93 engines we could make some thing like d-31/xv-5a hybrid VTOL transport plane. also keep in mind that two turbofan rd-93 engines burn way small amount of fuel than 10 engines, also by replacing rd-93 with that engines your plane gonna be 2.5 tons lighter so you can use that weight for more fuel or increase the cargo space.
whole this project are for ages ago and i think it's within iran's capabilities to make something like them.

 

[skyshadow]

that is a new missile maybe its form Ghamare bani hashem ( قمر بنی هاشم ) project.

kowsar

 

[OldTwilight]

at least with Saegheh , we could spot them but Kowsar is just an upgrade for F5 ...

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

that is a new missile maybe its form Ghamare bani hashem ( قمر بنی هاشم ) project.

kowsar

Did you notice the Cobra's nose from the first picture? New radar!