Iranian border guards on the Pakistan border.

[Indus Pakistan]

Completely un-need, emotional and not so well thought response from your side to a false flagger. It really does not suite your stature. And please do not bring nukes into every thing. This really does not help. Threatening to nuke people left and right only will make people despise you. Specially when you already know yourself that it is Pakistan whose law and order situation is causing huge problems here (I have been to these areas and have seen it from upclose, I know how things are there).

By the way he did not mean, by west and east the borders of Iran. He meant that in West (meaning Western countries) the commanders like to automate things but in East (meaning Eastern countries), the commanders take pride in pushing young kids into harms way.

Your response has more to do with Pakistan's paranoia than with reality on the ground (or what the false flagger said). There is chaos in Pakistan from drugs to religious fanaticism to law-less-ness and Iran should make every effort to block this chaos from creeping into Iran. I wish things were different and Pakistani state could control things on its own. But this seems be not the case. So better would be for Iran to erect a robust border protection system along with Pakistan and Afghanistan and by extension even Iraq and Turkish border.

As I said, I wish things were as if we were in Europe and no such physical barriers were necessary. But this is not the case. Unfortunately.



I really and genuinely hope so. But emotional people change their mind in a second. That is my worry.

We are a long way away from co-existing like civilized people

Please accept my apology. I think you already my position in regards to Iran. I am as pro Iran as a non Iranian you will find. What I was saying is and maybe I did a poor job at doing this, that Pakistan poses no military threat to Iran. Our history proves it. You have NEVER been attacked from the east and I can't see that happening in future either.

All the military systems in particular nuclear are pointed firmly in one direction ONLY. I think you already know where. If you look at Pakistan Army of 500,000 men almost 400,000 are on the Indian border. About 100,000 are on Afghan border. Almost ZERO on the Iranian border. Same for airforce.

What we do have is law and order problem. Bandits, drug dealers and terrorists like Jundulla and I support Iran's efforets to get a grip on the border areas. I think in Pakistan we are also going to tighten up law and order on our side of the border. To be honest the problem is on our side. If we can get a grip on our side the entire border area will stabilze.

My reply was to the guy suggesting that Pakistan was a threat - he referred to some IIRGC commander saying about threat from "east".

Anyway I wish the best to Iran in securing the border area.


* On the subject of nukes I support Iran getting them. Nukes are not a offensive weapon. They are primarily defensive. They assure you deterance from any major threats.

 

[scythian500]

The situation in Iranian borders with Pakistan area is enhanced drastically in last couple of years through studying recent major clashes. Prior to the recent assigning IRGC forces to parts of Iranian South-Eastern borders with Pakistan and a comprehensive plan to modernize all border posts with new detection and defensive technologies, we used to hear Drug traffickers and terrorists are doing X attack nearly 200 km inside Iranian border.. We even had incidents like a terrorist group blocking a main road at the middle of the night and kill whoever passes there. Most victims were civilian passengers decided to travel using intercity bus services.

But recently judging by major border clashes we realize that almost all these incidents happen on the border ground-zero. This shows terrorists are easily to be stopped if border forces are equipped better. Another major influencer was when Iran used local Iranian balouchs and trained them to participate in defending their mother land. This only happened when IRGC who by the way has a good relationship with heads of tribal balouchis asked them to be a part of securing borders and their lands.

Recent Changes on Iranian Side of the Border:

1- Building 90 new border control stations (plus existing ones) equipped with long range optical, IR night vision detection systems.

2- Equipping all border control posts with latest Iranian-made radars, electro-IR-optical systems armed with multiple direction weaponry to eliminate detected threats.

3- Assigning commando units to interfere on command

4- Repairing existing border roads + building hundreds of newly built roads + a hospital + small townships with necessary amenities

5- Assigning IRGC helicopters to perform regular patrols + using them to attack if needed.

6- Performing new training courses for all border control forces including modern border-defense techniques

7- Creating independent battalions in Sistan va Balouchistan Province so they will have local decision making commands.
8- Building border fences backed by robotic defense systems in some areas.

9- Using trained Balouchi Basiji forces in Pakistani border posts.

10- Using small planes, UAVs to patrol the area.


It is important to understand that Iran due to its unique location as the main transfer gate of illegal drugs from Opium producer Afghanistan and Heroin producer Pakistan no matter how many times reject intruders, will always face this problem. The huge presumable profits of drug, fuel and etc trafficking for trafficker and terrorists is an unlimited force of will for terrorists to find new ways to penetrate into Iranian soil.

A big share of illicit drugs are transferred through Iran o Europe and North America. Beside, Iran itself has a good population of opium and other drugs users locally that nurture these type of terrorist activities. Iran has thousands of Kms of border on its Eastern side so blocking + fighting traffickers and terrorists along this long border demands continuous resources of money and life. It is interesting to know that Iran loses more lives than any other country on earth fighting drug traffickers, yet Western clowns are repeatedly condemning Iran hanging major traffickers! It is Iran that loses lives of its citizens and soldiers and yet West that take no harm not only don't help Iran with it but condemn it!!! Funny world!!

Terrorist activities are another source of security threats on Eastern borders. This type of terrorism however reduced amazingly, still claims lives of innocent people. These cowards are only a bunch of profit-seeker mercenaries who will serve any one who pay them more... Saudis, CIA and some PGCC clowns are the main supporters of these terrorists who used to block the border road at night, opening fire on passing civilian passenger buses filled with innocent civilians (many of them local Balouchis!!)

Another security issue with South Eastern border areas of Iran is the fact that most of Sistan va Balouchistan province are very much under-developed comparing to average Iranian standards. This under-development mistake were about to become a national security issue for Iran. Fortunately, Iranian authorities realized the problem for a while now.

Iran is determent to develop Sistan va Balouchistan province at all costs. Both government and the leader himself are extremely determent to change the economic and security face of the province. There are two bases for this revolutionary plan.

1- To focus on Jask-Makran coastal area as a base area for tens of billions of investment in form of infrastructure, industrial and economical zones. There are estimations that a good share of unemployment in local Sistan and Balouchistan will fade away as soon as these phases are finished. There also will be a huge wave of national emigration into this area from bigger cities who have enough scientific, technological and engineering resources needed to develop Sistan and Balouchistan. I personally face a related encounter last week. I met a balouch civil engineer guy who used to work as driver of trucks in Mashhad. He used to complain about how he and his family forced to move to Mashhad in order to have a job. He said he already committed suicide two times, unsuccessful though! He said, in their culture, he should marry young and it is a cultural embarrassment for him not being able to marry due to lack of funds. Anyway, last week I met him again.. this time happy... He said, he could find a job in South of Balouchistan as a civil engineer with a great pay. He said, there are many like him in his relatives who did the same. This is the immediate result of Jask-Makran mega plan.

Now, Since it is military forum what about we take a quick look at Iranian-made systems related to this subject. below you can find a list of Iranian-made border detection systems that are being installed and will be installed more in border posts:

SEDAD-103 IR-ElectroOptical Detection system which has a X110 zoom and is used in combination with Basir-110 radars in border posts:

Sedad-201T is a X100 times zoom system that can generate 3D information of targets day and night, all-weather:

SEDAD-404 Long-Range System:

Jouya-7 Optical Sniper Suit:

بیش از۱۰۰درگیری مسلحانه مرزی در استان سیستان و بلوچستان

 

[scythian500]

SAFART Electro-optical System:

SAFAT in Action:

80 km detection and 50 km targeting range system:

Famous BASIR-110 System:

 

[scythian500]

TAREQ ground radar:

Sea-borne Detection Systems:

OGHAB-6 Detection suit on Shahed-129 UCAVs:

SAIRAN Robotic Detection-Defense System:

HAMI-12 Robotic Detection/Defense System:

All above detection and detection/defense systems are powered by solar panels as they are installed in remote areas:

 

[Post Colonnial]

walls don't solve problems. Only bridges do.

except when Pakistan is on the other side.

 

[scythian500]

TABESH-90 Night-Vision/Thermal Camera:
3000 meters detection range against a tank size target:

Shabahang Thermal/Night Vision Camera:

NDG-87 Diver's Thermal/Night Vision Camera:
Operable both up to 30 meters under the sea and in normal ground environment:

Looks good. But the quality seems to be like kahgel with ajor (tarakam keh khordeh).

Does the commander build his own house according to same standards or he uses better engineering standards when building his own house?

These are mostly built maybe even before revoultion... The new ones are under construction based on news and I bet they will be better since they will host some sophisticated monitoring systems!

 

[bozorgmehr]

Your comparison with US is laughable. On average budgetary terms, a US soldier or military officer costs at the very least ten times what an Iranian soldier costs if not a hundred times. The costs in US are higher than Iran. Have you ever been at US Mexico border? I think you should bring examples that are relevant not the one that is completely idiotic.

But I fully agree with you and I have to appreciate you for bringing it up, that Iran must invest in border areas. Not only Sunni areas but all border areas. I have been to border areas of Iran and the conditions suck. Though the conditions are still light years ahead on Iranian border areas compared to places like Pakistan or Afghanistan (I know this, because I have been there, unlike some who talk about things without having seen things in real). But this does not mean, things are ok. Alot has to be done. But even with all this investment and development, the security problem will not go away. A strong hand is necessary to keep things under control. I have been, I have seen and I know. Iran is surrounded by chaotic lands and without good protection the chaos will creep into Iran as well. Development and security measures have to go hand in hand. Relying only on one of them, will fail.

In short alot has to be done both in security arena as well as in developmental arena. Because I frankly do not see Iran's neighboring countries becoming bastion of stability in coming decades. Even Turkey is going downhill, forget about Afghanistan or others. Just fence/wall the border and develop the area. Iran is surrounded by chaos.



I agree with you.

India already has a longer border with Pakistan. Over 3300 kilometers of it in a very complex terrain and geography. Since 2003, India has built a quite robust border protection system.

It is basically an electrical fence, with trigger sensors and cameras and watch towers that shoot at anything which moves. The area is flooded with sodium lights. And this is how it looks on the ground and from the international space station:

Well said and needless to say I agree with you!

It shouldn't be ok for bands of thugs from across our borders to stroll into our country and kill our youth or take them prisoners, bring them across the border and decapitate them or send them back after much negotiations or appealing to their religious leaders. It makes us look weak, incompetent and ineffectual. Their successes reinforce their confidence and inspire them to take bigger and bolder action. Weakness invites danger and more attacks. For some reason Madali doesn't seem to get that.

We can't go into Pakistan to take these bandits out. And for whatever reason the government of Pakistan is incapable or unwilling to deal with them. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't do whatever in our power to protect ourselves on our own side of the border. But we don't! Every time they attack, we go back to business as usual. Same old pick up trucks, same old winding roads, same worn out Klashnikovs.... But that's what happens when the government is unaccountable to its people. The life of Iranians and the sanctity of our borders are not that important. And nobody can put pressure on them to do anything about it.

 

[انگریز]

on your side you've got nothing .none . all of your soldiers are indian border or afghanistan border

besides ,they have been very efficient in preventing terrorists in building a safe heaven for themselves inside pakistan .

Saudi soldier :

^ I shit better performance than all these incompetent niggaz .

meanwhile our normal conscript soldiers are more than capable of keeping Iran safe .

You are an absolute bigot and ignorant.
Why do you think the seperatist movement in Pakistani Balochistan started and gained momentum in the last decade or so?
Because we succesfully dusrupted Baloch tribal lords' drug , ammunition and smuggling business. Pakistan had dedicated snipers on Iran border to shoot and kill cross border smugglers.

Btw have you ever been to Pak - Iran border and seen the terrain?
It is impossible to make it water tight even with great wall of china.
Even then our forces have been very succesful in controlling cross border smuggling.

Next time you poop a comment against Pakistan out if your Iranian *** , try to look into the mirrorcand see how recent embargo made your country sell your soul to America and Israel and fight the dirty wars in Syria , yemen , lebanon and many other middle east countries.

Our regular army is not on Iranian border because you dont scare us , no matter hoe much of a super power you want to pose. You will be the persian fluffy cat in our eyes and we are fully capable if slapping you back in your underwear if you ever try to come out of it.

 

[scythian500]

Because we succesfully dusrupted Baloch tribal lords' drug , ammunition and smuggling business. Pakistan had dedicated snipers on Iran border to shoot and kill cross border smugglers.

If you successfully disrupted Drug lords, why the amount of drugs coming from Pakistan to Iran increased in folds?

Your dedicated snipers on Iranian border!!? To shoot cross border smugglers? They must point their guns back at home then coz Drug smugglers are already in Pakistan... Maybe you talk about shooting fuel smugglers? Do you hit them? If you hit them how come there are still billions of fuel smuggled into Pakistan?

 

[انگریز]

Its funny how puffed up Iranian boys are posting all sorts without looking around.
Where ever money can be made from smuggling its impossible to seal borders and problem is compounded by ethnic links of people living on both sides of border and difficult terrain.
USA with all the technology and money in the world could not seal Mexico border for similar reasons.

 

[bozorgmehr]

Its funny how puffed up Iranian boys are posting all sorts without looking around.
Where ever money can be made from smuggling its impossible to seal borders and problem is compounded by ethnic links of people living on both sides of border and difficult terrain.
USA with all the technology and money in the world could not seal Mexico border for similar reasons.

Oh shut it.... It's not Iranian gangs going to the other side shooting up patrols, kidnapping people and bringing them back to Iran to chop their head off. It's the other way around. If you were so good at this and that your territory wouldn't become a safe haven for terrorists. So zip it...

 

[Winchester]

If you successfully disrupted Drug lords, why the amount of drugs coming from Pakistan to Iran increased in folds?

Your dedicated snipers on Iranian border!!? To shoot cross border smugglers? They must point their guns back at home then coz Drug smugglers are already in Pakistan... Maybe you talk about shooting fuel smugglers? Do you hit them? If you hit them how come there are still billions of fuel smuggled into Pakistan?

Drugs are made in Afghanistan.
There isn't a single poppy field in Pakistan.
About the oil smuggling whats preventing you guys to stop it ??

 

[انگریز]

Oh shut it.... It's not Iranian gangs going to the other side shooting up patrols, kidnapping people and bringing them back to Iran to chop their head off. It's the other way around. If you were so good at this and that your territory wouldn't become a safe haven for terrorists. So zip it...

Funny how pot calls the kettle black. From your side trucks full of diesel come smuggled into Pakistan and your border control cant stop that.
A human is far smaller than a truck i guess?
So you claiming that our border controls is slack is quite funny when your border control is blind to whole trucks.

 

[bozorgmehr]

Drugs are made in Afghanistan.
There isn't a single poppy field in Pakistan.
About the oil smuggling whats preventing you guys to stop it ??

Nobody cares about oil smuggling. It's the Iranian economic policies that are at fault, more than anything else. But radicalized fanatics bent on killing, beheading and sowing mayhem are another story. Allowing them to mount attacks from your territory is technically an act of aggression.

 

[Winchester]

Its funny how puffed up Iranian boys are posting all sorts without looking around.
Where ever money can be made from smuggling its impossible to seal borders and problem is compounded by ethnic links of people living on both sides of border and difficult terrain.
USA with all the technology and money in the world could not seal Mexico border for similar reasons.

The Afghan drug trade is estimated around 20 billions dollars.

There is UN report available on google about it and maybe the posters should check it out.

The drugs going into Iran are either consumed locally or moved forward via Turkey to the Balkan states and into Europe.

There is crazy amount of money involved !