Iranian Air Defense Systems

[Messerschmitt]

خلاصه گفت‌وگو امیر الهامی با خبرگزاری تسنیم:

تجهیز پهپاد کرار به موشک هوا به هوا

تلفیق عملیاتی سامانه موشکی S-300 و باور373: تلفیق عملیاتی یعنی اینکه S-300 و باور بتوانند با همدیگر تبادل اطلاعات کنند و بتوانند از قابلیت‌های موشک‌های همدیگر استفاده کنند.

اخیرا هم رادار را روی پهپاد نصب کردیم بنابراین رادار پرنده و محمول بر پهپاد داریم.این راداری سبک است و به صورت قطاعی جلوی پرونده را در یک زاویه مشخص پوشش می‌دهد.

رصد با رادار ماورای افق سپهر تا برد 1200 کیلومتر: عمدتا رادارهای ماورای افق بردهای بالای 2500 و 3000 کیلومتر دارند و هدف گذاری‌مان دست پیدا کردن به برد 3 هزار کیلومتری در رادار سپهر است.

اخطار به پرنده بیگانه از بالا سر پرنده: این اخطارها یک مرحله نبود.یک بار که هواپیمایP8آمریکایی بود.یک بار پهپادRQ-4 بود و چندین بار هم جنگنده‌هایی با ملیت‌های مختلف بودند که در تنگه هرمز به مرزهای ما نزدیک می‌شدند و ما مجددا کرار را پرواز دادیم و قبل از اینکه به FIR برسند تغییر مسیر دادند و برگشتند.

در حوزه درگیری سامانه صیاد تاکتیکی می‌تواند از 75 کیلومتر تا 150 کیلومتر را پوشش دهد.

@Projectmeshkat

^ Interoperability between S-300 and Bavar-373 incl. SAMs -> S-300PMU-2 with Sayyad-4B (> 300 km)?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1698206083993530664

https://twitter.com/x/status/1698249593576632747

 

[RΛIDEN]

Summary of Amir Elhami's interview with Tasnim news agency:

Equipping the Karar drone with an air-to-air missile

Operational integration of the S-300 and Bavar 373 missile system: Operational integration means that the S-300 and Bavar can exchange information with each other and can use the capabilities of each other's missiles.

Recently, we installed the radar on the drone, so we have a flying and portable radar on the drone. This radar is light and covers the front of the case in a sector at a specific angle.

Observation with Sepehr over-the-horizon radar up to a range of 1200 km: mostly over-the-horizon radars have ranges above 2500 and 3000 km, and our goal is to achieve a range of 3 thousand kilometers in the Sepehr radar.

Warning to the alien bird from above the bird's head: These warnings were not a single phase. Once it was an American P8 plane, once it was an RQ-4 drone, and several times there were fighters of different nationalities that approached our borders in the Strait of Hormuz, and we again We flew and before they reached FIR they changed the route and came back.

In the field of conflict, the tactical hunter system can cover from 75 km to 150 km.

@Projectmeshkat

^ Interoperability between S-300 and Bavar-373 incl. SAMs -> S-300PMU-2 with Sayyad-4B (> 300 km)?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1698206083993530664

https://twitter.com/x/status/1698249593576632747

Bavar 373 integration with IRIADF S300 is not only great but Excellent news.
Moreover, this confirms one operationally integrated Bavar 373 Block I system.
Question:
- If that system reached operational stage, will we witness serial production soon?
OR
- Iran Air Defence is nearing Bavar 373 Block II breakthrough which they then plan to produce in numbers?

 

[HGV]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1698340566075933009

 

[BHAN85]

You fail to connect the dots,..., Iran is an hypersonic country, can target anything in minutes. Syria and Irak are negihbourns, you ll probe wrong if a war happens (when US dares).

I think in the same way as Mr Iran Eye, he is right there is a lack of intuition here, you are very conventional, and OSINT believers. Iran is a pragmatic country with smart solutions, they are masters of asymetrical capabilities, and they are developing different solutions all the time. This is real engineering, you only have western mindset, all reduced to spend more and more...

Remember always, Iran won Russia Ukraine war, with their shaheds.

hypersonic speed doesnt mean accuracy.

and even if they have accuracy, they haven't proved identify correctly threats.

like it happened in ukrainian airlines flight shoot down.

 

[ReasonableStar75]

hypersonic speed doesnt mean accuracy.

and even if they have accuracy, they haven't proved identify correctly threats.

like it happened in ukrainian airlines flight shoot down.

US knows Iran accuracy well.

About Ukranian airlines, i think we don t know the whole history.

 

[Flotilla]

and even if they have accuracy, they haven't proved identify correctly threats.

I think ucranian flight shows a 100% accuracy, 2 shoots of Tor 1ME, 2 hits...

The problem was, as you said a target adcquisition problem, and even more, an air space mismanagement, because if you launch a strike like this, you must close your air space some hours or even days. Everybody was nervous and probably IRGC forces were on alert and were suspicious about that 737.

You shouldn´t let civilian flights to cross all the country in such a moment. Just my oppinion.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

High level jerk Reza_Mad said on Twitter: I already said investing in 373 creed was a waste of money

Idiots should refrain from saying anything.

 

[aryobarzan]

 

[BHAN85]

US knows Iran accuracy well.

About Ukranian airlines, i think we don t know the whole history.

Likely some USA vassal jamming or spoofing ADS-B and ACARS information, like in MH17 shoot down.

Lies and deceits are the main feature of USA empire.

I think ucranian flight shows a 100% accuracy, 2 shoots of Tor 1ME, 2 hits...

The problem was, as you said a target adcquisition problem, and even more, an air space mismanagement, because if you launch a strike like this, you must close your air space some hours or even days. Everybody was nervous and probably IRGC forces were on alert and were suspicious about that 737.

You shouldn´t let civilian flights to cross all the country in such a moment. Just my oppinion.

There is no time to close anything, it was minutes to reach target if it had been a real missile.

Problem now will be if someday a real missile is launched against Tehran, operators will be afraid of stop it, thinking it could be a error.

 

[TheImmortal]

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That screen is too small.

 

[TheImmortal]

There is no time to close anything, it was minutes to reach target if it had been a real missile.

Problem now will be if someday a real missile is launched against Tehran, operators will be afraid of stop it, thinking it could be a error.

Wrong

TOR1-M1 is a Soviet era system using analog instruments. This means its systems can’t tell the difference between a massive jet or a cruise missile, they all appear as a blip on a screen initially. It uses a more basic radar vs more advanced 3D and higher module radars available today.

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Modernized Iranian air defense system control room

It is ment to be a last resort kill system. Meaning when it is near the target it is supposed to defend anything that enters its kill zone = assumed to be hostile. That is how system was designed.

Why? Because it is supposed to be a part of a long range air defense ring, medium air defense ring, last resort ring. It was ment to defend strictly military targets/bases not targets in packed civilian urban areas. So assuming anything got past all those air defense rings must be hostile and failed to intercept. It’s the system of last resort not ment to be the backbone of any defense doctrine.

What went wrong that night:

1) the air defense oriented the system facing the wrong direction thus information given from the system was not correct.

2) the kill zone airspace was not cleared of non enemy aircraft (ie war zone airspace implemented)

3) the air defense team did not follow proper protocol and do a fail safe mechanism check by contacting chain of command to verify what they were seeing (apparently comm systems were down or not working)

4) proper engagement protocol was not followed

 

[WudangMaster]

There is no time to close anything, it was minutes to reach target if it had been a real missile.

I meant to explain further a couple of weeks ago; the air civilian air space should have been shut down when the missile strike against the base in Iraq started which was quite a while before the accident in Tehran. Had the air space been shut down then, that incident would not have happened. NOBODY is talking about shutting air space when the tor m1 was seeing the target; do you understand now?

 

[mohsen]

I meant to explain further a couple of weeks ago; the air civilian air space should have been shut down when the missile strike against the base in Iraq started which was quite a while before the accident in Tehran. Had the air space been shut down then, that incident would not have happened. NOBODY is talking about shutting air space when the tor m1 was seeing the target; do you understand now?

In the morning, the command center had already cancelled the limited fire alert, but that crew claim that hadn't received the new command.

 

[BHAN85]

Wrong

TOR1-M1 is a Soviet era system using analog instruments. This means its systems can’t tell the difference between a massive jet or a cruise missile, they all appear as a blip on a screen initially. It uses a more basic radar vs more advanced 3D and higher module radars available today.

View attachment 950952

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Modernized Iranian air defense system control room

View attachment 950953

It is ment to be a last resort kill system. Meaning when it is near the target it is supposed to defend anything that enters its kill zone = assumed to be hostile. That is how system was designed.

Why? Because it is supposed to be a part of a long range air defense ring, medium air defense ring, last resort ring. It was ment to defend strictly military targets/bases not targets in packed civilian urban areas. So assuming anything got past all those air defense rings must be hostile and failed to intercept. It’s the system of last resort not ment to be the backbone of any defense doctrine.

What went wrong that night:

1) the air defense oriented the system facing the wrong direction thus information given from the system was not correct.

2) the kill zone airspace was not cleared of non enemy aircraft (ie war zone airspace implemented)

3) the air defense team did not follow proper protocol and do a fail safe mechanism check by contacting chain of command to verify what they were seeing (apparently comm systems were down or not working)

4) proper engagement protocol was not followed

those 4 points can happen everyday.

something more must happened.

someone do jamming to civilian airplane communications and any state would doubt.

plus tension due to soleimani killing.

plus cut communications to missile operator, it can be done by the enemy too.

the same in MH17 shoot down, ADS-B has not auth, it can be spoofed by anyone, and prorrusia militian believed that they shot down a Antonov military cargo plane when they really shot down the MH17.

Likely USA deceiving idiots, as always.

I meant to explain further a couple of weeks ago; the air civilian air space should have been shut down when the missile strike against the base in Iraq started which was quite a while before the accident in Tehran. Had the air space been shut down then, that incident would not have happened. NOBODY is talking about shutting air space when the tor m1 was seeing the target; do you understand now?

Then everytime that enemy fcks you, you should close civilian planes zone and selfdestroy your economy.

There is no need.

Just a clear information channel to missile operators of what flying objects are civilian planes.

Cost of doing that with today technology is zero.

Just, they are idiots, and USA take advantage of idiot foes.

 

[WudangMaster]

Then everytime that enemy fcks you, you should close civilian planes zone and selfdestroy your economy.

If you are about to go war with America, then YES closing the civilian air traffic for a few hours or even days is a very prudent measure! The leadership could not have known for certain where this was going to escalate to and Gen Hajizadeh stated there were heavier barrages ready, in case there would be retaliation/escalation from the US.
There were rumors of F-35s on their way until they were either turned away by the National air defense grid or threats of missile & drone strikes against their uae bases or maybe both.
The less clutter on your radar screens, the better especially when going at it with a country that is the top in the world when it comes to jamming, spoofing, e-warfare, etc.