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‘Iran to hit 32 US bases and destroy Israel, if attacked’

Please excuse my knowledge, but what kind of Anti-missile system is Israel using and how accurate is that ?

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Israel has ARROW missile defence system inferior to latest THAAD US missile system:D , both are presently working to develop integrated system uptill 2013.

You can imagine if THAAD has 15% or less accuracy how effective will be ARROW:lol:

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1277
 
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Until 2013 many things will change, missile technology developing every day! I'm saying that Iran will also upgrade it's missiles!
 
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We are ready to appreciate US efforts but you should provide any record of test results :D
We build these things for our benefits, not yours. Got cash? Face it...No one take seriously anyone who laughs at those who are trying and making progress. Base on what I know, be glad that I do not expend the same efforts as you do at laughing at your failures.
 
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We build these things for our benefits, not yours. Got cash?
I think... iran got enough cash if you are willing to sell?
 
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"All Iran has to do is hard tip all the missiles it got, and point them all at Jerusalem.

Problem solved.

Remember there is JUST ONE Jewish country in the world Israel and it is SMALL !"


I don't think that you'll find America held hostage from its range of options for fear of retaliation against Israel.

It will take a pre-emptive nuclear attack on Israel, and in a number of locations to destroy the state. Anything less like a chemical strike would assure retaliation without assuring Israel's destruction.

Judaism, of course, would survive in a number of other locations around the world, including America.

Likely gone forever, though, would be a good portion of antiquity and its treasures. Fair enough in that the same might be the case for Iran and many of its treasures from the past although I don't believe that anybody is discussing a western pre-emptive nuclear strike on Iran.

What would also be lost forever, though, is a Palestinian homeland. It would be radioactive dust...along with a lot of Palestinians, likely. Many Palestinians in the West Bank would be incinerated in those strikes. Maybe most depending on Iranian accuracy.

Certainly, though, very few living there of any religion will come through such a calamity unscathed.

In fact, the downwind drift calculus would be outright scary for any part of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt.

Such an event would cause a chain reaction likely to reshape the world as we've known it forever.

Exactly the point.

I feel that the press, diplomats etc take too much liberty and ease
discussing issues such as "strike iran"
Admiral Mullen just hinted yesterday about a military option against nuclear iran. Miss Rice and Mrs Clinton have done so several time.

I assume all of them know the exact ramifications of such a strike and down stream events that would follow.

So, why not debate and use the ultimate results of this "strike" that that US and Israel is so willing to carry out ?

Iran and for that matter rest of the Middle eastern countries can use the argument as good aggressive diplomacy.


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Sure...We just need some time to make some 'updates' and 'modifications'.

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Yeah please when you are at it send those destroyers, fighters and passenger planes we ordered before the revolution, we even paid the total amount of money... but you failed to deliver! Among many other things!
 
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Israel has ARROW missile defence system inferior to latest THAAD US missile system:D , both are presently working to develop integrated system uptill 2013.

You can imagine if THAAD has 15% or less accuracy how effective will be ARROW:lol:

DEBKAfile - US-Israeli Anti-Missile Programs to Be Fully Integrated by 2013

Rubbish claim. Just to make things clear

Wikipedia says

The Arrow is considered one of the most advanced missile defense programs currently in existence.[8][10] It is the first operational missile defense system specifically designed and built to intercept and destroy ballistic missiles

 
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Yes, THAAD (latest US- Missile defence system ) accuracy is less than 15%.

John Pike, space policy director for the liberal Federation of American Scientists, pointed out that since 1980 the Pentagon has conducted 14 tests of THAAD and similar systems that are supposed to hit enemy missiles at high altitude and only two destroyed their targets.

Missile Defense System Fails Fourth Test Lockheed Martin Stock Falls Amid Doubts About $17 Billion Project

Friday, March 7 1997? you might want to find more up to date information. this link shows every test done since program inception.

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Rubbish claim. Just to make things clear

Wikipedia says

The Arrow is considered one of the most advanced missile defense programs currently in existence.[8][10] It is the first operational missile defense system specifically designed and built to intercept and destroy ballistic missiles


Can you provide us Arrow accuracy results?

How we can believe , if it is true?
 
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Can you provide us Arrow accuracy results?

How we can believe , if it is true?

"Arrow
Country: Israel
Warhead: HE
Range: 100 km
Basing: Land
In Service: 2000
Associated Country: United States

Details

Arrow, a joint project of Israel and the United States, is one of the most advanced missile defense programs currently in existence. It consists of high-altitude interceptors, deployed in Israel, able to seek and destroy incoming ballistic missiles in their terminal phase, i.e. during the final minutes of descent.

As a small nation surrounded by enemies armed with short and medium-range missiles, Israel’s need for missile defense is considerable. During the 1991 Persian Gulf War, Saddam Hussein launched Scud missiles at Israel in what many believe was an attempt to unite the Arab nations against a common enemy. Although the recent U.S. invasion eliminated the Iraqi menace, Israel is still threatened by Syria’s Scuds and Iran’s longer-range Shabab-3 missiles. Arrow now gives Israel the ability to defend itself against these weapons of mass destruction.

The Arrow project began in the late 1980s as an Israeli demonstration model submitted to President Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative. Since 1988, the U.S. has given Israel more than $1 billion in grants for research and development. In fiscal year 2004, Congress appropriated $154.8 million for the Arrow project, up from $145.7 million the previous year. In April 2004, Israel Aircraft Industries announced a partnership with Boeing to develop components for the system. It is estimated that Boeing’s total long-term contract will exceed $225 million.

Arrow consists of three main components: a phased array radar, a fire control center, and a high-altitude interceptor missile. The phased array radar, known as “Green Pine,” is capable of detecting incoming warheads at a distance of 500 kilometers. This provides adequate radar coverage, since missiles launched at Israel from other Middle Eastern nations will not appear over the horizon before this distance.

The system is designed to work quickly and efficiently. As soon as Green Pine detects an incoming missile, the fire control center, called “Citron Tree,” launches its interceptor missile. The 23-foot long interceptor shoots toward the threat at nine times the speed of sound, and reaches a height of 30 miles in less than three minutes. Once it gets within two seconds of its target, Arrow’s optical detectors aims for the incoming missile’s warhead.

The interceptor’s own explosive warhead detonates within 40 to 50 yards of the missile, allowing Arrow to miss its target and still neutralize the threat. In this manner, Arrow differs from U.S. interceptors like the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) and the Theater High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD), which rely on hit-to-kill technology in which the kinetic force of a precise impact causes the destruction of the threat.

Arrow’s speed and range (approximately 100 kilometers) allow it to intercept incoming missiles at a high enough altitude so that any nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons do not scatter over Israel’s cities and military targets. This high-speed, high-altitude intercept also gives Citron Tree enough time to launch a second interceptor in the event that the first one fails to destroy its target. The fire control center is capable of operating up to 14 interceptors at the same time.

Israel has tested the interceptor 12 times and the entire weapons system seven times. On December 16, 2003, an Arrow interceptor from the Palmachim Air Force Base (south of Tel Aviv) destroyed a Black Sparrow test missile dropped from a F-15 fighter. The flight path of the Black Sparrow was intended to simulate an incoming Scud missile heading toward the Israeli shore.

In a more realistic test on July 29, 2004, an Arrow interceptor launched from the U.S. Naval Air Warfare Center at Point Magu (near Los Angeles) successfully destroyed an actual Scud missile over the Pacific Ocean. The Scud was launched from a sea-based platform at its maximum range and speed. After two minutes, Arrow’s Green Pine radar picked up the incoming threat and relayed the information to the Citron Tree battle management center. After another three minutes, the Arrow interceptor was launched. It climbed toward the incoming missile for 90 seconds and detonated against its target at an altitude of 40 kilometers, completely destroying it.

Israel presently has two Arrow batteries deployed on its soil, one at Palmachim to protect Tel Aviv and the other at Ein Shemer near Hadera. The Israeli Defense Force plans to procure 200 interceptors; 100 for each battery. A third battery is in development in the south. Israel is confident that these batteries will defend its citizens against threats from surrounding hostile nations. Many believe that if Israel is attacked by the same number of missiles that Saddam Hussein launched in 1991, Arrow will ensure that Israeli cities see only smoke and scattered debris.

For the U.S., Arrow has provided important technical and operational data. It remains a key element in the Missile Defense Agency’s plan for a layered missile defense architecture, and an example of a successful, affordable program. At the moment, however, the U.S. does not have plans to procure and deploy Arrow.


Sources


American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise.
“Arrow ABM System May be Infected with a Trojan Horse Virus.” IsraelNationalNews.com, 16 February 2004.
ARROW Weapon System.
Barzilai, Amnon. “An Arrow to the Heart.” Haaretz, 15 November 2002.
“Boeing Gets $78 Mln Contract for Israeli Arrow.” Reuters News, 28 April 2004.
Butler, Amy. “$450 Million Plus-Up To Broaden Near-Term Missile Defense Program.” Defense Daily, 14 January 2004.
Center for Defense Information.
Entous, Adam. “With U.S. Help, Israel May Boost Missile Production.” Reuters News, 16 January 2004.
Frisch, Felix. “Israel Business Arena: Boeing To Make ‘Arrow’ Missile Components.” Israel Business Arena, 28 April 2004.
Graham, Bradley. “U.S. Missile Defense Set to Get Early Start; Pentagon Planning to Deploy Interceptors At Alaskan Military Base This Summer.” The Washington Post, 2 February 2004.
Harel, Amos. “Arrow Anti-missile Defense System Successfully Tested in U.S.” Haaretz, 30 July 2004.
“IAI Adds ABM Capabilities to Barak.” Flight International, 6 January 2004.
“Israel Could Boost Production of Arrow ATBM.” Forecast International Press Releases, 19 January 2004.
“Israel’s Scores Hit In Latest Missile Defense Test.” Defense Daily International, 19 December 2003.
Miller, John J. “Israel’s Arrow Defense: How Israel Has Prepared for the Next Strike.” National Review Online, 15 October 2002.
O’Sullivan, Arieh. “Arrow Missile Test Succeeds.” The Jerusalem Post, 17 December 2003.
Parmalee, Patricia J. “Arrow Missile Defense System Destroys Black Sparrow Target.” Aviation Week & Space Technology, 22 December 2003.
Roosevelt, Ann. “MDA Actively Working To Include International Partners.” Defense Daily International, 30 April 2004.
Selinger, Marc. “GMD Booster Test Delayed; Arrow Intercept Successful.” Aerospace Daily, 17 December 2003.
Smith, Daniel V. “First U.S. Test of Arrow Missile Defense System Goes ‘Beautifully:’ Joint U.S.-Israeli Anti-Missile System Successfully Downs ‘Threat’ Over California Coastline.” JINSA Online, 4 August 2004.
“Successful Deployment of Arrow Missile System Underpins Strong U.S.-Israel Cooperation,” ISRAEL21c, 1 August 2004.
 
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"Arrow
Country: Israel
Warhead: HE
Range: 100 km
Basing: Land
In Service: 2000
Associated Country: United States

Details

Arrow, a joint project of Israel and the United States, is one of the most advanced missile defense programs currently in existence. It consists of high-altitude interceptors, deployed in Israel, able to seek and destroy incoming ballistic missiles in their terminal phase, i.e. during the final minutes of descent.

As a small nation surrounded by enemies armed with short and medium-range missiles, Israel’s need for missile defense is considerable. During the 1991 Persian Gulf War, Saddam Hussein launched Scud missiles at Israel in what many believe was an attempt to unite the Arab nations against a common enemy. Although the recent U.S. invasion eliminated the Iraqi menace, Israel is still threatened by Syria’s Scuds and Iran’s longer-range Shabab-3 missiles. Arrow now gives Israel the ability to defend itself against these weapons of mass destruction.

The Arrow project began in the late 1980s as an Israeli demonstration model submitted to President Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative. Since 1988, the U.S. has given Israel more than $1 billion in grants for research and development. In fiscal year 2004, Congress appropriated $154.8 million for the Arrow project, up from $145.7 million the previous year. In April 2004, Israel Aircraft Industries announced a partnership with Boeing to develop components for the system. It is estimated that Boeing’s total long-term contract will exceed $225 million.

Arrow consists of three main components: a phased array radar, a fire control center, and a high-altitude interceptor missile. The phased array radar, known as “Green Pine,” is capable of detecting incoming warheads at a distance of 500 kilometers. This provides adequate radar coverage, since missiles launched at Israel from other Middle Eastern nations will not appear over the horizon before this distance.

The system is designed to work quickly and efficiently. As soon as Green Pine detects an incoming missile, the fire control center, called “Citron Tree,” launches its interceptor missile. The 23-foot long interceptor shoots toward the threat at nine times the speed of sound, and reaches a height of 30 miles in less than three minutes. Once it gets within two seconds of its target, Arrow’s optical detectors aims for the incoming missile’s warhead.

The interceptor’s own explosive warhead detonates within 40 to 50 yards of the missile, allowing Arrow to miss its target and still neutralize the threat. In this manner, Arrow differs from U.S. interceptors like the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) and the Theater High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD), which rely on hit-to-kill technology in which the kinetic force of a precise impact causes the destruction of the threat.

Arrow’s speed and range (approximately 100 kilometers) allow it to intercept incoming missiles at a high enough altitude so that any nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons do not scatter over Israel’s cities and military targets. This high-speed, high-altitude intercept also gives Citron Tree enough time to launch a second interceptor in the event that the first one fails to destroy its target. The fire control center is capable of operating up to 14 interceptors at the same time.

Israel has tested the interceptor 12 times and the entire weapons system seven times. On December 16, 2003, an Arrow interceptor from the Palmachim Air Force Base (south of Tel Aviv) destroyed a Black Sparrow test missile dropped from a F-15 fighter. The flight path of the Black Sparrow was intended to simulate an incoming Scud missile heading toward the Israeli shore.

In a more realistic test on July 29, 2004, an Arrow interceptor launched from the U.S. Naval Air Warfare Center at Point Magu (near Los Angeles) successfully destroyed an actual Scud missile over the Pacific Ocean. The Scud was launched from a sea-based platform at its maximum range and speed. After two minutes, Arrow’s Green Pine radar picked up the incoming threat and relayed the information to the Citron Tree battle management center. After another three minutes, the Arrow interceptor was launched. It climbed toward the incoming missile for 90 seconds and detonated against its target at an altitude of 40 kilometers, completely destroying it.

Israel presently has two Arrow batteries deployed on its soil, one at Palmachim to protect Tel Aviv and the other at Ein Shemer near Hadera. The Israeli Defense Force plans to procure 200 interceptors; 100 for each battery. A third battery is in development in the south. Israel is confident that these batteries will defend its citizens against threats from surrounding hostile nations. Many believe that if Israel is attacked by the same number of missiles that Saddam Hussein launched in 1991, Arrow will ensure that Israeli cities see only smoke and scattered debris.

For the U.S., Arrow has provided important technical and operational data. It remains a key element in the Missile Defense Agency’s plan for a layered missile defense architecture, and an example of a successful, affordable program. At the moment, however, the U.S. does not have plans to procure and deploy Arrow.


Sources


American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise.
“Arrow ABM System May be Infected with a Trojan Horse Virus.” IsraelNationalNews.com, 16 February 2004.
ARROW Weapon System.
Barzilai, Amnon. “An Arrow to the Heart.” Haaretz, 15 November 2002.
“Boeing Gets $78 Mln Contract for Israeli Arrow.” Reuters News, 28 April 2004.
Butler, Amy. “$450 Million Plus-Up To Broaden Near-Term Missile Defense Program.” Defense Daily, 14 January 2004.
Center for Defense Information.
Entous, Adam. “With U.S. Help, Israel May Boost Missile Production.” Reuters News, 16 January 2004.
Frisch, Felix. “Israel Business Arena: Boeing To Make ‘Arrow’ Missile Components.” Israel Business Arena, 28 April 2004.
Graham, Bradley. “U.S. Missile Defense Set to Get Early Start; Pentagon Planning to Deploy Interceptors At Alaskan Military Base This Summer.” The Washington Post, 2 February 2004.
Harel, Amos. “Arrow Anti-missile Defense System Successfully Tested in U.S.” Haaretz, 30 July 2004.
“IAI Adds ABM Capabilities to Barak.” Flight International, 6 January 2004.
“Israel Could Boost Production of Arrow ATBM.” Forecast International Press Releases, 19 January 2004.
“Israel’s Scores Hit In Latest Missile Defense Test.” Defense Daily International, 19 December 2003.
Miller, John J. “Israel’s Arrow Defense: How Israel Has Prepared for the Next Strike.” National Review Online, 15 October 2002.
O’Sullivan, Arieh. “Arrow Missile Test Succeeds.” The Jerusalem Post, 17 December 2003.
Parmalee, Patricia J. “Arrow Missile Defense System Destroys Black Sparrow Target.” Aviation Week & Space Technology, 22 December 2003.
Roosevelt, Ann. “MDA Actively Working To Include International Partners.” Defense Daily International, 30 April 2004.
Selinger, Marc. “GMD Booster Test Delayed; Arrow Intercept Successful.” Aerospace Daily, 17 December 2003.
Smith, Daniel V. “First U.S. Test of Arrow Missile Defense System Goes ‘Beautifully:’ Joint U.S.-Israeli Anti-Missile System Successfully Downs ‘Threat’ Over California Coastline.” JINSA Online, 4 August 2004.
“Successful Deployment of Arrow Missile System Underpins Strong U.S.-Israel Cooperation,” ISRAEL21c, 1 August 2004.

Israel still in negotiation with US to buy THAAD latest system , but facing finance problem:lol:

Israel may opt for U.S.-made missile over own Arrow system
By Shmuel Rosner and Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondents.

http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/spages/808363.html

Arrow 2 and THAAD both are not proven systems still are in stage of development
 
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Guys sorry to interrupt but in case of any nuclear attack even if they manage to intercept the missile, there will be a gamma ray rain which almost has the same effect as the bomb itself, moreover it will also deactivate every satellite in the area.

I'm not saying we want to target Israel with nuclear weapon but I'm saying even if there gonna be a possible war between Russia and U.S whats the use of this system when the damage is still there? Yeah sure you won't get incinerated alive but as I said it is more useful against conventional warheads.

And one more thing, whenever you like it or not the accuracy of these system won't be more than 20%, how do you want to find a moving launcher which it is camouflaged? (The countries you have problem with are huge, it will make the detection of launchers pretty much more difficult!), moreover what if the missile is stealth? Your still using your systems against SCUD, SCUD is an old technology, no one throws SCUD these days! How do you want to intercept an unwarned strike? As we know while you test your systems you even know the direction and destination of the missiles!
 
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