Iran nuclear deal reached

[rmi5]

you and your alikes are the cause of humiliation for our nation. Your priority is Palestine, not Iran. Your Priority is Velayate Faghih, not Iranzamin. Your priority is to give bag full of money to Meshaal and Nasrallah instead of enriching the tables of the Iranian families.

under Ahmadinejad our relations were with countries like Togo,Botswana. You call this achievement ? khake bar saretoon if you call this diplomacy

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Thanks, That's what I wanted to say to those idiots

 

[rmi5]

Extend Irans power to the Mediterranean ? No, you expanded Velayate Faghih's influence to the Mediterranean and not Iran's. People like you and Janati dont even know what Iran means, so what Irans influence ?

Bebin, khode amsale Jannati o Ahmade Khatami migan ke hoviyate Irani aslan vojood nadare, migan ke tarikhe Iran faghat 1400 sale hast ! This is the reason why we patriots prefer more the reformists, because even though they are still part of Velayate Faghih they do not make crazy statements and sometimes give into peoples nationalistic feelings.

You care about Velayate Faghih more then you do about your Mihan.

Boro be Hezbollah 100 million bede, zood yalla !

 

[Falon]

at least Iran didn't get occupied in our era in less than 24 hours ( where were all of those Nationalist in WW 1 and WW 2 !? after all in that time you had power and beat all of us in your era )

The Pahlavis were dependant on foreign powers, no educated Iranian with a bit of sharaf will deny that. Problem was the lack of education the Iranian population had during the times of Qajar and early Mossadegh era. If the amount of the patriotism that exists now between Iranians were present in Iranians in the 30's, 40's Iran would turn into a secular and powerful independent nation.

Hala bikhiale in harfa. Chera emame to mogheyi ke azesh porsidan che ehshasi dari be bazgasht be vatan goft ''hichi''
hehe, ino vase man javab bede hezbollahi

 

[Ostad]

guys enough......each other.
move the discussion from this thread

 

[rmi5]

at least Iran didn't get occupied in our era in less than 24 hours ( where were all of those Nationalist in WW 1 and WW 2 !? after all in that time you had power and beat all of us in your era )

You are a shame for Iran, you don't know that our army with 150k soldier tried their best against european armies that each of them were 20 times bigger than ours.
but they got defeated with honor. they got killed for the love of their country and they were not some 13 years old boys who has been sent to fronts by deceiving them and doing esteshhadi operation.

Are you want to put me on test !?

No need for that. You showed your level of knowledge multiple times in this thread.

 

[Falon]

guys enough......each other.
move the discussion from this thread

Ostad jan, i think the discussion we are having is well on topic, it reflects the true mental state of our Hezbollahi members. Mihane ma ro be khake sia keshoondan hale vase ma ham talabkar shodan.

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[rmi5]

The Pahlavis were dependant on foreign powers, no educated Iranian with a bit of sharaf will deny that. Problem was the lack of education the Iranian population had during the times of Qajar and early Mossadegh era. If the amount of the patriotism that exists now between Iranians were present in Iranians in the 30's, 40's Iran would turn into a secular and powerful independent nation.

Hala bikhiale in harfa. Chera emame to mogheyi ke azesh porsidan che ehshasi dari be bazgasht be vatan goft ''hichi''
hehe, ino vase man javab bede hezbollahi

for the same reason that he does not have any feelings for his country and he is only worried about their beloved arabian desert land(Quds) and their arab brothers.

 

[Ostad]

Ostad jan, i think the discussion we are having is well on topic, it reflects the true mental state of our Hezbollahi members. Mihane ma ro be khake sia keshoondan hale vase ma ham talabkar shodan.


Who the hell are you anyway, go back to the piss poor country you came from

but this will be used against us in future.
lets continue this in our chill thread.

 

[haman10]

move the discussion to Iranian Chill Thread | Page 179

@Falon @rmi5 @twilight

 

[The SiLent crY]

I see too much hostility here . Lets have a break guys .

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[Serpentine]

Guys, with all due respect, cut the nonsense here.
2 members received infractions, if you go on with this, you will get banned.

 

[twilight]

Analysis: Reversible Iran deal puts more pressure on final talks


VIENNA (Reuters) - By dropping earlier demands that Iran shut down an underground uranium enrichment plant and ship material out of the country as part of a preliminary deal, nuclear negotiators have kicked some of the toughest questions forward to talks for the next year.

The curbs to its nuclear program that Iran agreed to on Sunday are easier to reverse than measures that were previously called for by the six global powers seeking to prevent Tehran from developing an atomic bomb, experts say.

To opponents of the deal, like Israel, which branded it an "historic mistake", that is a fatal flaw. But supporters say the compromise was necessary to halt Iran's nuclear advances so that the real bargaining could begin, and should help keep both sides focused on the final negotiations which lie ahead.

A senior Western diplomat acknowledged that Iran could resume its most controversial activity - production of 20 percent enriched uranium - if it should decide to abandon the deal or if final talks fail.

But by making it easier for inspectors to detect any such move, the preliminary accord requires Tehran to demonstrate its sincerity while a final deal is hammered out.

"This is all about testing their good faith. We would pick that up very quickly if they did it," the envoy said.

"Any agreement like this represents an element of compromise. Given where we were six months ago, to get the two sides together to agree something, there had to be some compromise from both sides."

"STOP", BUT NOT "SHUT" OR "SHIP"

Instead of requiring Iran to take steps that would be hard to undo, the powers' demands focused on stopping the higher-grade enrichment and halting future progress in other parts of the nuclear program for six months, while increasing inspections to determine if Iran is complying.

For their part, the United States and European Union have protected their future negotiating position by leaving most of their economic sanctions against Iran in place.

"Each side would retain enough leverage - one, in the form of continued economic penalties; the other in the form of a continued nuclear program - to maintain incentives for a grander bargain and guard against the other's potential reneging," said Iran expert Ali Vaez of the International Crisis Group think-tank.

The most controversial part of Iran's nuclear program has been its enrichment of uranium, which is first turned into a gas and then spun at high speeds in centrifuges to increase the concentration of the fissile isotope that is needed to make either fuel for a reactor or the core of an atomic bomb.

Tehran says it is refining uranium only for peaceful purposes and has the right to do so under international treaties. Western countries believe it has no such right and no legitimate need for an enrichment program of its own.

In addition to lower-grade work which began in 2007, Iran has since 2010 been enriching uranium to 20 percent purity, which Western countries see as a small technical step from reaching the 90 percent level needed to make a bomb.

In fruitless meetings during 2012, the powers sought a confidence-building, interim deal that would require Iran to stop its higher-level enrichment, close its Fordow enrichment site and send its stockpile of the higher-level uranium abroad.

Those demands were dubbed "stop, shut, ship" by diplomats. In the end, the November 24 deal in effect dropped two of the three demands: it obliges Iran to "stop" 20 percent enrichment but says nothing about "shutting" Fordow or "shipping" material out.

The same number of centrifuges can continue to spin, producing lower-level enriched uranium at Fordow - built deep inside a mountain near the holy Shi'ite Muslim town of Qom to shield it from any military attacks - and at Iran's other enrichment plant close to the central town of Natanz.

And instead of sending out the stockpile of 20 percent uranium, Iran will dilute it or convert the gas to a less proliferation-sensitive oxide powder.

The United States says this will "neutralize" the material. But experts say Iran could in theory convert the powder back, although it has agreed not to build a facility to do so.

"This is not a roll-back of the program," said Olli Heinonen, former deputy director of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and now an expert at Harvard University. Instead, he said, it represents a "temporary halt" of many of the nuclear program's elements.

Apart from the enriched uranium, Western countries are also concerned that Iran could produce plutonium at Arak, an unfinished research reactor where Tehran says it intends to make medical isotopes. Plutonium can be used as an alternative to enriched uranium to build a bomb core.

Sunday's deal requires Iran to halt activity at Arak, although it may contain a loophole allowing it to build components off-site. In comments unlikely to go down well in Western capitals, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said on Wednesday that construction would continue at Arak, though he said there would be no new equipment installations.

INFRASTRUCTURE RETAINED

Western officials and experts accept that the deal leaves Iran's nuclear program largely in place for now.

"For the time being, Iran will be allowed to retain most of its current infrastructure, which will have to be substantially reduced at a later stage," said Robert Einhorn, the U.S. State Department's non-proliferation adviser until earlier this year.

"But the first step will prevent Iran from sharply ramping up its capabilities in the next six months," he wrote in Israel's Haaretz newspaper.

Former chief U.N. nuclear inspector Herman Nackaerts said Iran, if it wanted to, could quickly resume higher-level enrichment at Fordow, but because of expanded inspections, including daily visits by IAEA monitors, it would easily be caught if it did so.

"It is technically easy to do that and it can quickly be done," Nackaerts, who retired in September, told Reuters. "Of course, when the inspectors are there every day they will notice that."

The senior Western diplomat acknowledged that Iran's commitments were largely reversible so far, but said the deal took care of the most urgent concerns while talks are under way.

"This first stage is one where the program is slowed in some ways, capped in others, but Iran can resume quickly," the Western envoy said. "The main issues that we were concerned about are all covered by this. As we move on we will tackle more and more difficult things."

(Additional reporting by Dan Williams in Jerusalem and Justyna Pawlak in Brussels; Editing by Peter Graff)

Analysis: Reversible Iran deal puts more pressure on final talks - Yahoo News

and that why we are saying that west is unreliable

 

[Uhuhu]

I don't care if we have relationship with any other country if it has benefit for us , but not have one sided deal that they doesn't even accept our rights .....



Are you want to put me on test !?

you are just trolling here, and when a mod answered you, instead of respect him, you accused him to insulting you.

first of all you claimed something wrong and many other irrelevant issues along it.
i answered you but now you again write many claims with no proofs in different issues.

it's trolling. instead of apologizing for your lie and insulting many people, you are talk about many other issues like ww1 and 2!!

i can discuss about all of your words with proof like i did before.but here we should just talk about the deal.nothing else.
if you have words, write it with reasons. and dont go off topic.

 

[twilight]

you are just trolling here, and when a mod answered you, instead of respect him, you accused him to insulting you.

first of all you claimed something wrong and many other irrelevant issues along it.
i answered you but now you again write many claims with no proofs in different issues.

it's trolling. instead of apologizing for your lie and insulting many people, you are talk about many other issues like ww1 and 2!!

i can discuss about all of your words with proof like i did before.but here we should just talk about the deal.nothing else.
if you have words, write it with reasons. and dont go off topic.

1- that mod can defend himself
2- read my posts ...

3- our Foreign ministry still didn't publish full text of this deal ..... and it speak volumes ... why they need to hide it if that is so good .... why western diplomats talk about " Stop , Shout , Ship " diplomacy !?
I don't want to get fooled ...

چرا وزارت خارجه برای رفع ابهامات، تمام جزئیات "توافق ژنو" را منتشر نمی‌کند؟ - مشرق نیوز |
mashreghnews.ir

what is point of deal when we have our own explanation of the deal and they have their own !?

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if your ego let you , then read all of this links ... we give up everything for nothing ...

روحانی: ممکن است توافقنامه ژنو ضمیمه اجرایی داشته باشد/ اقدام سئوال‌برانگیز وزارت خارجه در عدم انتشار متن ضمیمه/ درخواست از نمایندگان مجلس برای پیگیری موضوع

especially this ...

an reactor like Busher need 70 ton ( Kilo gram ) fuel tubes for 1 year and with all the restriction that our negation team agreed , we only can enrich 400 Kilogram in year ... so logically this enrichment has no use for us and by time we have to stop it ...

نتيجه‌ي اين وضعيت توليد سالانه حدود 400 كيلوگرم اورانيوم 5ـ5/3% درصدي است. لازم است دوستان بدانند كه راه‌اندازي يك رئاكتور 1000 مگاواتي نيازمند 70 تن اورانيوم غني شده است و براي ادامه‌ي فعاليت نيازمند سالانه حدود 30 تن اورانيوم است. شما حساب كنيد براي راه‌اندازي يا لااقل ادامه يك رئاكتور بايد چند ده سال سانترفيوژ‌هاي مجاز بچرخند؟

اينجاست كه خود به نتيجه مي‌رسيم كه بايد غني‌سازي را تعطيل كنيم. حال آنكه نتايج چند سال تحقيقات و تجربه اكنون ما را به توان توليد انبوه سانترفيوژ و بهبود كيفيت نسل 1 به 2 و 3 رسانده است و اكنون زمان بهره‌برداري است.

در عبارات تفاهم‌نامه 8 پیش شرط برای حق غني‌سازي ایران بکار رفته است/ در گام نهایی، یک عبارت خطرناک وجود دارد

 

[niaz]

Most members may not have noticed but the oil prices are back up to pre-deal levels. Understand that $7- billion given to Iran do not translate into addition oil production. Instead it is from the payments that were due to Iran for the oil supplied to India, Korea & Japan but could not be remitted because of the sanction on US Dollar transfer to Iran.

Part of these funds is now released.