Indonesia is afraid of China's Military

[pr1v4t33r]

That and more : Boeing Signs Record $22.4 Billion Lion Air Order for 737s
Boeing Signs Record $22.4 Billion Lion Air Order for 737s - Bloomberg Business

This viet really is noisy without substance

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

That and more : Boeing Signs Record $22.4 Billion Lion Air Order for 737s
Boeing Signs Record $22.4 Billion Lion Air Order for 737s - Bloomberg Business

LOL the Viet is a hoot. Bragging about how better they are than the rest of us mortals while the only thing he have to show for us are just something that's not even worth mentioning.

 

[Indos]

I never expect Lockheed Martin to genuinely help anybody else, especially their potential competitors here refer to KAI (Korean Aerospace Industries) & IA (Indonesian Aerospace).

KAI-IA consortium will have to do their own job on this 4.5G jet (I suppose the platform could even be upgradable to 5G in the future), which I am confident on their success given tech/industrial strength of their respective countries. My optimism also arises from my speculation that in the future warfare, electronics would be a more decisive factor than mechanical advantages (e.g. stealth, super-cruise), and that's exactly an area that SK is very good at.

Well, Lockheed will get benefit on this project, I believe their stock price is up when South Korea has announced KIA ( with Lockheed Martin as a partner) as preferred bidder in KFX/IFX program just about 1 month ago. This I bring the news before F-35 was announced as a winner in FX program ( 45 F-35 deal for SK)

Posted : 2013-05-13 19:55 Updated : 2013-05-13 19:55
Lockheed Martin ready to commit to help KFX project

Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is vying with Boeing’s F-15 Silent Eagle and EADS’s Eurofighter Typhoon for the 8.3-trillion-won Fighter Experimental III project.

Randy Howard, Lockheed Martin’s director of the Korea
F-35 Campaign
By Kang Seung-woo

Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) is seen as one of strongest candidates to win the FX (Fighter Experimental) III project thanks to its stealth function. However, some critics are expressing concerns about the foreign military sales (FMS) program.

They say that should the U.S. aerospace and defense giant win the 8.3-trillion-won ($7.5 billion) bid, Korea will not be able to take advantage of the most-expensive procurement deal in history.

That’s because unlike direct commercial sales (DCS), the government-to-government FMS in which Washington would broker a contract between Seoul and Lockheed Martin is likely to restrict the U.S. company from transferring technology, which Korea plans to use in the project aimed at replacing its aging fleet of F-4s and F-5s.

However, Randy Howard, Lockheed Martin’s director of the Korea F-35 campaign, says Lockheed Martin is open to technology transfer and willing to make strong and solid commitments to help Korea with the project on the back of its track record.

“Lockheed is offering a robust industrial participation, offset, and technology transfer program. The offer includes the opportunity for the Korean industry to participate as a best value global supplier in the F-35 program, manufacturing the center wing and horizontal and vertical tails of the plane,” the American told The Korea Times.

“We’re also offering a robust technology transfer program for Korea’s KF-X indigenous fighter program. This offer includes a large contingent of Lockheed Martin engineers to assist in the design and development of the aircraft as well as an extensive amount of technical data drawn from the company’s existing fighter aircraft programs.”

He cited the T-50 as the firm’s proven track record of delivering on its offset commitments, saying the training jet, manufactured by the Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI), is the product of a program that delivered technology transfer and an industrial partnership as part of the F-16 Korea Fighter Program (KFP).

Currently, along with the F-35, Boeing’s F-15 Silent Eagle (SE) and the European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company’s (EADS) Eurofighter Typhoon are competing to win the FX contract that will purchase a high-end fleet of 60 combat aircrafts and start deploying them from 2016. The Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) plans to come up with a winner by the end of June.

There is negative public sentiment about the F-35 due to the FMS, under which details of the plane’s sale must meet U.S. government regulations.

However, Howard said there is no difference between the FSM and DCS, given the export of the technology process is the same for both.

“It is the same offices, same people, same restrictions, same enablement, and the fact that it is FMS has no additional bearing on potential export or non-export of the technology to Korea. For both FMS and DCS, they both have to go to the same State Department and the same offices have to approve the transfer,” he said.

In addition, he stressed that Lockheed Martin has been very successful in getting approval and working with the U.S. government under the FMS program.

“It’s important to have a contractor who knows how to sit down and work with the U.S. government to describe the programs and get the approvals for the export of technology,” he said.

“Lockheed Martin has done this better all around the world. We set licensed co-production of F-16s here in Korea. We worked with the Japanese industry for the production of their aircraft, the F-2. We have licensed co-production for F-16s in Turkey. So all around the world we have successfully established indigenous production programs based on the F-16 and other products.”

Lockheed Martin ready to commit to help KFX project

 

[Nike]

I never expect Lockheed Martin to genuinely help anybody else, especially their potential competitors here refer to KAI (Korean Aerospace Industries) & IA (Indonesian Aerospace).

KAI-IA consortium will have to do their own job on this 4.5G jet (I suppose the platform could even be upgradable to 5G in the future), which I am confident on their success given tech/industrial strength of their respective countries. My optimism also arises from my speculation that in the future warfare, electronics would be a more decisive factor than mechanical advantages (e.g. stealth, super-cruise), and that's exactly an area that SK is very good at.

Lock Mart knowing if not all of country in this world can't made a purchase of complex and expensive fighter like F-35 because of

1. US restriction
2. The prices is too expensive, especially their operating cost

thus way, they looking an opportunity within KFX project, in which by South Korean initiative lockheed martin still can selling their technologies toward countries who is deemed not close enough to US but still not dangerous enough to tilt the balance of power in any region significantly, or doesn't have much money to replace all of their F-16 or F-5 fighter with European expensive fighter like Rafale or Typhoon or five gen fighter like F-35

BTW, IMHO, either Lock Mart or Airbus company doesn't put any developing aviation industries such as KAI or Indonesian Aerospace (PT DI) as competitor (regarding the significant technological gap, capital gap, presence and so on), hence they more regarding us as partner and potential entrance door to open the significant market place in respective countries and region through Transfer of Technologies Scheme which is usually been pursued by either Indonesia and South Korea. Thus way, Airbus can bag a continuing order of Helicopter and Light tactical airlifter aircraft either in Indonesia or South Korea. Lock Mart itself is been in cooperation with Turkish Aerospace Industries and KAI, and made them as subcontractor and outsourcing industry for their F-16 production line. This way, Lock Mart can save their production line for a much better and expensive product like F-35. It's more like Win-win solution for all of us.

 

[cnleio]

I never expect Lockheed Martin to genuinely help anybody else, especially their potential competitors here refer to KAI (Korean Aerospace Industries) & IA (Indonesian Aerospace).

KAI-IA consortium will have to do their own job on this 4.5G jet (I suppose the platform could even be upgradable to 5G in the future), which I am confident on their success given tech/industrial strength of their respective countries. My optimism also arises from my speculation that in the future warfare, electronics would be a more decisive factor than mechanical advantages (e.g. stealth, super-cruise), and that's exactly an area that SK is very good at.

LOL ... i will save my words until to see a real KF-X prototype fly out in the sky. Right now S.Korea just designed T-50 jet trainer with Lockheed Martin help ... try jumping 3-gen fighter to design 4.5-gen fighter with helps from foreign competitor. They not only need Good Luck, also will need more money + aviation experince + production tech + stealth tech + foreign jet engine to develop this project ... 10billion USD not enough,costs will add.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Well, Lockheed will get benefit on this project, I believe their stock price is up when South Korea has announced KIA ( with Lockheed Martin as a partner) as preferred bidder in KFX/IFX program just about 1 month ago. This I bring the news before F-35 was announced as a winner in FX program ( 45 F-35 deal for SK)

Posted : 2013-05-13 19:55 Updated : 2013-05-13 19:55
Lockheed Martin ready to commit to help KFX project

Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is vying with Boeing’s F-15 Silent Eagle and EADS’s Eurofighter Typhoon for the 8.3-trillion-won Fighter Experimental III project.

Randy Howard, Lockheed Martin’s director of the Korea
F-35 Campaign
By Kang Seung-woo

Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) is seen as one of strongest candidates to win the FX (Fighter Experimental) III project thanks to its stealth function. However, some critics are expressing concerns about the foreign military sales (FMS) program.

They say that should the U.S. aerospace and defense giant win the 8.3-trillion-won ($7.5 billion) bid, Korea will not be able to take advantage of the most-expensive procurement deal in history.

That’s because unlike direct commercial sales (DCS), the government-to-government FMS in which Washington would broker a contract between Seoul and Lockheed Martin is likely to restrict the U.S. company from transferring technology, which Korea plans to use in the project aimed at replacing its aging fleet of F-4s and F-5s.

However, Randy Howard, Lockheed Martin’s director of the Korea F-35 campaign, says Lockheed Martin is open to technology transfer and willing to make strong and solid commitments to help Korea with the project on the back of its track record.

“Lockheed is offering a robust industrial participation, offset, and technology transfer program. The offer includes the opportunity for the Korean industry to participate as a best value global supplier in the F-35 program, manufacturing the center wing and horizontal and vertical tails of the plane,” the American told The Korea Times.

“We’re also offering a robust technology transfer program for Korea’s KF-X indigenous fighter program. This offer includes a large contingent of Lockheed Martin engineers to assist in the design and development of the aircraft as well as an extensive amount of technical data drawn from the company’s existing fighter aircraft programs.”

He cited the T-50 as the firm’s proven track record of delivering on its offset commitments, saying the training jet, manufactured by the Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI), is the product of a program that delivered technology transfer and an industrial partnership as part of the F-16 Korea Fighter Program (KFP).

Currently, along with the F-35, Boeing’s F-15 Silent Eagle (SE) and the European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company’s (EADS) Eurofighter Typhoon are competing to win the FX contract that will purchase a high-end fleet of 60 combat aircrafts and start deploying them from 2016. The Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) plans to come up with a winner by the end of June.

There is negative public sentiment about the F-35 due to the FMS, under which details of the plane’s sale must meet U.S. government regulations.

However, Howard said there is no difference between the FSM and DCS, given the export of the technology process is the same for both.

“It is the same offices, same people, same restrictions, same enablement, and the fact that it is FMS has no additional bearing on potential export or non-export of the technology to Korea. For both FMS and DCS, they both have to go to the same State Department and the same offices have to approve the transfer,” he said.

In addition, he stressed that Lockheed Martin has been very successful in getting approval and working with the U.S. government under the FMS program.

“It’s important to have a contractor who knows how to sit down and work with the U.S. government to describe the programs and get the approvals for the export of technology,” he said.

“Lockheed Martin has done this better all around the world. We set licensed co-production of F-16s here in Korea. We worked with the Japanese industry for the production of their aircraft, the F-2. We have licensed co-production for F-16s in Turkey. So all around the world we have successfully established indigenous production programs based on the F-16 and other products.”

Lockheed Martin ready to commit to help KFX project

Well said, that's why I said Lockheed wouldn't genuinely help KAI. They will sell some non-core patents and experiences to KAI. It's a win-win negotiation, KAI saves time & costs (though eventually they can achieve the same results, just more time, and more costs) on KFX program, LM leverages on their fixed R&D investment without loosing core competitiveness of F-35.

Lock Mart knowing if not all of country in this world can't made a purchase of complex and expensive fighter like F-35 because of

1. US restriction
2. The prices is too expensive, especially their operating cost

thus way, they looking an opportunity within KFX project, in which by South Korean initiative lockheed martin still can selling their technologies toward countries who is deemed not close enough to US but still not dangerous enough to tilt the balance of power in any region significantly, or doesn't have much money to replace all of their F-16 or F-5 fighter with European expensive fighter like Rafale or Typhoon or five gen fighter like F-35

BTW, IMHO, either Lock Mart or Airbus company doesn't put any developing aviation industries such as KAI or Indonesian Aerospace (PT DI) as competitor (regarding the significant technological gap, capital gap, presence and so on), hence they more regarding us as partner and potential entrance door to open the significant market place in respective countries and region through Transfer of Technologies Scheme which is usually been pursued by either Indonesia and South Korea. Thus way, Airbus can bag a continuing order of Helicopter and Light tactical airlifter aircraft either in Indonesia or South Korea. Lock Mart itself is been in cooperation with Turkish Aerospace Industries and KAI, and made them as subcontractor and outsourcing industry for their F-16 production line. This way, Lock Mart can save their production line for a much better and expensive product like F-35. It's more like Win-win solution for all of us.

Yes I agree with you on LM, and that's why I said potential competitors, not current competitors. But we can leave Airbus out of the picture, they don't have much to offer.

 

[Viet]

That and more : Boeing Signs Record $22.4 Billion Lion Air Order for 737s
Boeing Signs Record $22.4 Billion Lion Air Order for 737s - Bloomberg Business

This viet really is noisy without substance

this news is from 2012. how many jets have you ordered, and how many have you received?
oh wait a second: is it ZERO?

 

[Nike]

LOl I wait until all of your plans and acquisitions to materialize. talk is cheap.
yes, so sad, we have no money for asian games, but enough for 19 pieces of Boeing 787-9, and 14 Airbus A350-900.

materialized? with the rapid progress in our hangar (assembly line of aircraft) and shipyard, man in this ASEAN region no country can beat our aircraft production facility and not to mention our shipyard is already busy to build large tonnage of Naval Ships. Most of them be done indigenously

BTW, 19 aircraft is just a small number

the current fleet and order of Indonesian Garuda Airliner

 

[NarThoD]

LOl I wait until all of your plans and acquisitions to materialize. talk is cheap.
yes, so sad, we have no money for asian games, but enough for 19 pieces of Boeing 787-9, and 14 Airbus A350-900.

Haha

Check this out, Lion Air, which is a low cost aviation company, buy 234 units of Boeing 737-200, all woth 21,7 Billion. Say we're poor? How poor compared a country who withdraw Asian Games just because it wants to buy more military goods eh?

Boeing Wins Provisional Order for 230 Planes From Lion Air - Bloomberg Business

We save the *** of France economy back then, even their President come and greet us
The deal is finalized

Anything else you wanna brag about? It's just like we're hummiliated you again and again, and i like it

 

[Nike]

 

[pr1v4t33r]

this news is from 2012. how many jets have you ordered, and how many have you received? oh wait a second: is it ZERO?

They already have 107 aircraft in service plus 497 outstanding order in line. so it is definitely NOT zero.

 

[Indos]

Well said, that's why I said Lockheed wouldn't genuinely help KAI. They will sell some non-core patents and experiences to KAI. It's a win-win negotiation, KAI saves time & costs (though eventually they can achieve the same results, just more time, and more costs) on KFX program, LM leverages on their fixed R&D investment without loosing core competitiveness of F-35.
.

I believe Lockheed Martin contribution is on electronics and software part, the crucial part that can make it 5 Generation is radar absorbent material and it should be worked out by both SK and Indonesia themselves, thats why it is said as 4,5 G fighter. But I heard that SK company is able to make one (under Japanese company who move to SK). The design itself has already been fixed with C-103 design that has already been approved at 2014.

The nose, another crucial part, will be developed by LG. F-22 nose for instant can absorbed radar waves.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Haha yes same tank all over again and we're have the biggest viewer so far Of course we're so weak compared to mighty Empire of Vietnam, the Superpower from SEA

No, you are not weak, but coward.
When you know a thief is eyeing your property (Natuna's water) you pretend you see nothing LOL

 

[NarThoD]

No, you are not weak, but coward.
When you know a thief is eyeing your property (Natuna's water) you pretend you see nothing LOL

How coward compared to somebody wants other to fight for him? While he's poor and uneducated but still hoping anybody want to be he's ally.

Be realistic, if we're yapping like you do, it will drag unnecessary conflict which can be avoided. Not pretend but choosing the least worse than both worst option.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

No, you are not weak, but coward. When you know a thief is eyeing your property (Natuna's water) you pretend you see nothing LOL

What is this coward nonsense. We certainly NOT pretend and close our eye toward what really happen in SCS. We build and strengthen our military presence there. Give your comment on your comrade viva_viet revelation below and please educate him.

VN's claim is as greedy and groundless like CN's one in SCS ,too. VN even occupy far more isls in Srpatly than all CN-FN-Malay combine, but the funny is that every one including Indo gen. keep accusing CN instead of VN just bcs people realize that CN is facing with an economy collapse when the TPP is done

We are aware of the situation. The General only doing his job by strenghtening our position on Natuna and build up military presence there. This strategic location are positioned well to ward every intrusion to our water, and this move is not addressed exclusively to China. Example is here: Indonesia Navy blow up 3 illegal vietnamese fishing boat