Indonesia is afraid of China's Military

[William Hung]

... now i can't give the answer or conclusion ... i only knew there's no free lunch in this world.

So you have never ever paid a lunch or dinner for a friend? What about for your girlfriend?

A free lunch do exist in this world. I personally have Chinese friends who have paid for my lunch/dinner, with no strings attached. It's real!

 

[cnleio]

So you have never ever paid a lunch or dinner for a friend? What about for your girlfriend?

A free lunch do exist in this world. I personally have Chinese friends who have paid for my lunch/dinner, with no strings attached. It's real!

Of course i paid dinner for the friends and my girlfriend ... what kind of friend Vietnam for China ? Yes we ever supported Vientamese to fight Vietnam-War due to our interests, but the story before 1979 ... and i think China will never support ur fantasy of Mekong-Delta Empire, that against game rule.

 

[William Hung]

Of course i paid dinner for the friends and my girlfriend ... what kind of friend Vietnam for China ? Yes we ever supported Vientamese to fight Vietnam-War due to our interests, but the story before 1979 ... and i think China will never support ur fantasy of Mekong-Delta Empire, that against game rule.

I just wanted to say, a free lunch is real in this world, from friends.

But I feel a bit sad that you said China only supported the Vietnamese people in the US-VN war for China's own interest. I thought that China historically supported Viet Nam because of friendship. But I was wrong.

 

[cnleio]

I just wanted to say, a free lunch is real in this world, from friends.

But I feel a bit sad that you said China only supported the Vietnamese people in the US-VN war for China's own interest. I thought that China historically supported Viet Nam because of friendship. But I was wrong.

That's failed, when u just thinking Russian/ American/ Chinese/ Japanese as the free Banker. There's no any unconstrained foreign aid ... the money will back or at least can benefit our interests.

 

[Aepsilons]

and i think China will never support ur fantasy of Mekong-Delta Empire, that against game rule.

LOL!!! Epic response.

 

[William Hung]

That's failed, when u just thinking Russian/ American/ Chinese/ Japanese as the free Banker. There's no any unconstrained foreign aid ... the money will back or at least can benefit our interests.

I'm just confused now. Many Chinese PDF members here said VN is ungrateful because China historically provided aid to VN as a friend. But now I learn from you that this is not true, China only send aid to VN for China's own interest. Meaning, China took advantage of VN's situation to further China's interest. So how can China now demand a thank you from VN if China's intention was only to further its interest?

So I can take advantage of a person and then demand a thank you from him? If he doesn't thank me then he is ungrateful?

 

[Viet]

A investor for KF-X project, it's like spending 0.2billion USD to buy stealth fighter building-tech from Korean. Of course Korean will spent more money to study stealth hi-techs from U.S Lockheed Martin company.

$200m is a laughable amount. will south korea agree to the deal?

it sounds as a big discount. the KFX will probably cost $10 billion for the development, and another $10b for the production, and they will get a jet that will be weaker in performance than an advanced version of F-35.

I'm just confused now. Many Chinese PDF members here said VN is ungrateful because China historically provided aid to VN as a friend. But now I learn from you that this is not true, China only send aid to VN for China's own interest. Meaning, China took advantage of VN's situation to further China's interest. So how can China now demand a thank you from VN if China's intention was only to further its interest?

So I can take advantage of a person and then demand a thank you from him? If he doesn't thank me then he is ungrateful?

bro, don´t spend too much efford to convince the chinese. they live in a different world. another universum.

 

[cnleio]

I'm just confused now. Many Chinese PDF members here said VN is ungrateful because China historically provided aid to VN as a friend. But now I learn from you that this is not true, China only send aid to VN for China's own interest. Meaning, China took advantage of VN's situation to further China's interest. So how can China now demand a thank you from VN if China's intention was only to further its interest?

So I can take advantage of a person and then demand a thank you from him? If he doesn't thank me then he is ungrateful?

My opinion is more practical and less emotion, u maybe dislike it but now it's the footstone of political diplomacy. China can support Vietnam to benefit our interest there, but China also not support Vietnam when ur guys try to break the rule.

$200m is a laughable amount. will south korea agree to the deal?

it sounds as a big discount. the KFX will probably cost $10 billion for the development, and another $10b for the production, and they will get a jet that will be weaker in performance than an advanced version of F-35.

I point out here, not like Vietnam the Indonesia has their own aviation industry, they can make domestic aircrafts ... now they need to learn building-tech for fighter jet, to update their aviation industry ... not just buy like Vietnam did.

0.2billion USD might not enough to buy a stealth fighter, but good enough to study.

 

[KAL-EL]

Yes they are. Even they travel to Papuan waters just to steall fish. And we're having fun cracking and burn their ships

Well of course Indonesia has every right to defend it's fishing waters.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

0.2billion USD might not enough to buy a stealth fighter, but good enough to study.

From where this $0.2B number come? The Indonesian government agreed to fund 20% of KF-X project cost in return of around 50 planes (3 squadrons) built for the air force after project completion. Don't spread unverified rumor.

 

[kankan326]

I'm just confused now. Many Chinese PDF members here said VN is ungrateful because China historically provided aid to VN as a friend. But now I learn from you that this is not true, China only send aid to VN for China's own interest. Meaning, China took advantage of VN's situation to further China's interest. So how can China now demand a thank you from VN if China's intention was only to further its interest?

So I can take advantage of a person and then demand a thank you from him? If he doesn't thank me then he is ungrateful?

Your teacher teaches you a lesson for salary. But you still need to thank him, right? Sometimes both parts can be benefited from one thing. The point is who started it and gets more.

 

[William Hung]

bro, don´t spend too much efford to convince the chinese. they live in a different world. another universum.

Don't think like that bro. We should try to discuss with our Chinese friends and understand each other.

Your teacher teaches you a lesson for salary. But you still need to thank him, right? Sometimes both parts can be benefited from one thing. The point is who started it and gets more.

Ah, I understand you. I like your sentence "Sometimes both parts can be benefitted from one thing." So it's a mutual benefit. China benefitted, and Viet Nam benefitted too. Since Viet Nam benefitted, Viet Nam should thank China. But since China benefitted too, China should thank Viet Nam too right? But it seems I've never heard Chinese members saying thank you but only accusing VN of being ungrateful. I thought it was a mutual benefit?

@cnleio, what do you think of this news? President Xi said rich countries should offer free lunch and not to attach strings onto international aid.

https://defence.pk/threads/offer-“no-strings”-aid-to-developing-world-xi-to-rich-nations.372120/

 

[Indos]

0.2billion USD might not enough to buy a stealth fighter, but good enough to study.

20 % of project cost mate is in our shoulder until the planes are ready for mass production, and our team is also making huge contribution there. So it is about 2 billion USD, total investment is 10 billion USD. Yup, maybe you are right until now we just spent 10 percent (0,2 billion USD) from our total obligation. We havent yet made any prototype, if I am not mistaken we (South Korea/ Indonesia/KIA/ Lockheed Martin) will make around 4 (or maybe 8) prototypes for testing based on latest plan.

Some significant changes made by Indonesian team in first phase. I may give the detail later, but I have posted it in KFX/IFX thread. So we are also an active part of the program.

From where this $0.2B number come? The Indonesian government agreed to fund 20% of KF-X project cost in return of around 50 planes (3 squadrons) built for the air force after project completion. Don't spread unverified rumor.

20 % project cost until all prototype made and finish testing. It doesnt include 50 KFX/IFX planes cost.

 

[cnleio]

From where this $0.2B number come? The Indonesian government agreed to fund 20% of KF-X project cost in return of around 50 planes (3 squadrons) built for the air force after project completion. Don't spread unverified rumor.

0.2 billion USD is right now investment, u said 20% of KF-X project is future whole cost of 2billion USD.

@Indos had given the answer. My opinion, is COME ON~ Join China SAC J-31 stealth fighter project !

 

[Indos]

0.2 billion USD is right now investment, u said 20% of KF-X project is future whole cost of 2billion USD.

@Indos had given the answer. My opinion, is COME ON~ Join China SAC J-31 stealth fighter project !

Man, I have seen it at Youtube, it is a good one. Good Maneuverability.