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@cnleio, what do you think of this news? President Xi said rich countries should offer free lunch and not to attach strings onto international aid.

https://defence.pk/threads/offer-“no-strings”-aid-to-developing-world-xi-to-rich-nations.372120/
China is still the biggest developing nation in the world, although World N.o2 now but due to our 1.3billion poor Chinese, still not a rich country.:coffee: So President Xi say that to the West, more rich and more responsibility ! :azn:

Man, I have seen it at Youtube, it is a good one. Good Maneuverability.
In 1990s, Pakistan joint China JF-17 project ... then they get JF-17 produce line now. In 21-century, If Indonesia can join China J-13 stealth fighter project ... future u will get the same return.
 
0.2 billion USD is right now investment, u said 20% of KF-X project is future whole cost of 2billion USD.

@Indos had given the answer. My opinion, is COME ON~ Join China SAC J-31 stealth fighter project !

Unless you guys are willing to give us a percentage of the sale, transfer of technology & the right to customize the plane as we see fit even that is still a maybe.
 
Unless you guys are willing to give us a percentage of the sale, transfer of technology & the right to customize the plane as we see fit even that is still a maybe.
Sure, as same as Pakistan's JF-17 project ... this project following ur demand. Each JF-17 sale, Pakistan can earn benefits and they owned a produce line in the nation.
 
I will give some fact about KFX project and our contribution on the project based on one of KFX chief Design from Indonesia

Old News from my post at:

KF-X / IF-X stealth fighter aircraft of South Korea & Indonesia (images) | Page 4

The latest info on KFX/IFX:
1: It is 2 engine design that is likely to choose, the next step is just to pick the canard or without canard type
2: KFX/IFX should be more superior than SU-35


Translation from Google translate:

February 6, 2014 (Angkasa/Space Magazine)

KFX / IFX program continued , Government Asked to Immediately Selecting Design


Korea was once considered Indonesia engineer do not understand about the design of a jet fighter. But the notion was quickly turned , when the Indonesian team describes the design and the various inputs. The Indonesian side also the one who finally managed to convince that the aircraft take-off weight of 50,000 pounds must .

Confirmation of the Parliament of South Korea on the resumption of the program KFX / IFX team warmly welcomed designers from Indonesia. They include asking both governments immediately call the engineers involved in preparing work that has been long overdue. They also want the governments of both countries to make sure one of the two designs that have been produced in the Technology Development phase for cultivation in the next phase .

"Program KFX / IFX is a multi - program years , costly, and involve various sectors and foreign partners. For that there must be a definite declaration on it goes. For Indonesia it is important to determine the financing schemes and their human resources planning, "said Dr Rais Zain, M. Eng , KFX / IFX Configuration Design Leader for Space , in late January.

"In the near future Indonesia will also work on the N219 and R - 80. We do not have enough engineers to work three programs, especially KFX / IFX will take place until the 2020s. The government is expected to call home engineers who are now working abroad to come help the regeneration process. Outside there are approximately 200 people . If half of it can be returned to the country, it is enough to help, " added Rais who is also a lecturer at the Faculty of Aerospace Engineering ITB, Bandung.

As reported by the national media, the confirmation of the continuation of the program of making front - liner Korean - Indonesian fighter jets received by the Ministry of Defense on January 3, 2014. Notice is further announced Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro told reporters, Wednesday, January 8, 2014, on the sidelines of Rapim Kemenhan in Jakarta. Explanations related to exposure delivered weapon system procurement plans in the Strategic Plan II, 2015-2019.

The Indonesian government hopes the project of making the 4.5 generation fighter jet could be done because it would be a referral program to remove the dependence of the transfer of technology from other countries. Besides KFX / IFX, Indonesia is also pursuing a program of making submarines , warships, propellants , rockets, and tank size medium. For submarines, Indonesia is also cooperating with the same country.

Superior to the Su - 35Program KFX / IFX was stopped temporarily by Korea's new leader Park Geun - Hye end of 2012 after reviewing the state financially in the country. This prestigious project was worked on since the beginning of 2011, shortly after President Lee Myung - bak and President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono confirmed the bilateral cooperation in the defense field in Jakarta. From the Technology Development Phase that has been completed, a team of scientists has completed a number of conical design that later became two.

The two designs is a model of the stealth fighter jet -winning twin-engine air superiority with horizontally - tails in the back, and the other one is with canards on the front. "Each has consequences different financing and partners. Thus , it must first be decided which one is selected. It is important that when followed, all parties are ready to do it , "said Rais Zain , whose day-to- day lecturer at the Faculty of Engineering, Aerospace Engineering,ITB, Bandung.

As stated Wamenhan Sjafrie, Korean parliament has prepared 20 million U.S. dollars (temporary , Indonesia : $ 5 million) to continue this program in 2015. At that time , the team will go to the Engineering Manufacturing Development Phase. In addition must have a high thrust engine with a power to be able to fight in the air, the aircraft must also have weapons stored in the internal weapons bay , the data - link capable of randomizing communications, advanced radar target voters, and anti - jamming device.

The prototype is expected to finish by the end of the Strategic Plan II . Even if there are things that need to be criticized , it is a matter of operation requirements are much more determined the Korean Air Force . This was inevitable because the Korean bear 80 percent of the funding, and the country actually have a real enemy. This program is targeted to spawn a jet fighter with performance equivalent or superior to the opponent fighter jets which are the Sukhoi Su - 35.

Prerequisites itself dismissed the proposed counter designs KAI ( Korean Aerospace Industrie) recently, rather than to cut development costs are too great. In configuration ( see Space, December 2013 ), looks KFX type E is only one engine powered with weapons outside the radar sweep prone opponent.

Space examine admiration of ADD ( Agency for Defense Development, Defence Research and Development Agency of Korea ) submitted to the Indonesian engineer team. Initially, the team assumes Korea really had no idea about the design of Indonesian fighter jets. However, the assumption was turned when Indonesian engineers began to describe the design and the various inputs to the design of Korea. The Indonesian side also who ultimately ensure that the aircraft must have a takeoff weight of 50,000 pounds.(A.Darmawan/Angkasa magazine).

http://www.angkasa.co.id/index.php/...tkan-pemerintah-diminta-segera-memilih-desain
 
This is current situation of China J-31 project
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Future, it will be like this... compared with F-22 with the same painting.
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And China J-31 can provide next-gen cockpit in it.
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Join China J-31 stealth fighter project, it's good for Indoneisa like China ever helped Pakistan's JF-17 project ... until to 2020 when domesitc WS-13 jet engine mature, J-31 will be more stealth & powerful.:D FUTURE IS HERE !
 
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I will give some fact about KFX project and our contribution on the project based on one of KFX chief Design from Indonesia

Old News from my post at:

KF-X / IF-X stealth fighter aircraft of South Korea & Indonesia (images) | Page 4

The latest info on KFX/IFX:
1: It is 2 engine design that is likely to choose, the next step is just to pick the canard or without canard type
2: KFX/IFX should be more superior than SU-35


Translation from Google translate:

February 6, 2014 (Angkasa/Space Magazine)

KFX / IFX program continued , Government Asked to Immediately Selecting Design


Korea was once considered Indonesia engineer do not understand about the design of a jet fighter. But the notion was quickly turned , when the Indonesian team describes the design and the various inputs. The Indonesian side also the one who finally managed to convince that the aircraft take-off weight of 50,000 pounds must .

Confirmation of the Parliament of South Korea on the resumption of the program KFX / IFX team warmly welcomed designers from Indonesia. They include asking both governments immediately call the engineers involved in preparing work that has been long overdue. They also want the governments of both countries to make sure one of the two designs that have been produced in the Technology Development phase for cultivation in the next phase .

"Program KFX / IFX is a multi - program years , costly, and involve various sectors and foreign partners. For that there must be a definite declaration on it goes. For Indonesia it is important to determine the financing schemes and their human resources planning, "said Dr Rais Zain, M. Eng , KFX / IFX Configuration Design Leader for Space , in late January.

"In the near future Indonesia will also work on the N219 and R - 80. We do not have enough engineers to work three programs, especially KFX / IFX will take place until the 2020s. The government is expected to call home engineers who are now working abroad to come help the regeneration process. Outside there are approximately 200 people . If half of it can be returned to the country, it is enough to help, " added Rais who is also a lecturer at the Faculty of Aerospace Engineering ITB, Bandung.

As reported by the national media, the confirmation of the continuation of the program of making front - liner Korean - Indonesian fighter jets received by the Ministry of Defense on January 3, 2014. Notice is further announced Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro told reporters, Wednesday, January 8, 2014, on the sidelines of Rapim Kemenhan in Jakarta. Explanations related to exposure delivered weapon system procurement plans in the Strategic Plan II, 2015-2019.

The Indonesian government hopes the project of making the 4.5 generation fighter jet could be done because it would be a referral program to remove the dependence of the transfer of technology from other countries. Besides KFX / IFX, Indonesia is also pursuing a program of making submarines , warships, propellants , rockets, and tank size medium. For submarines, Indonesia is also cooperating with the same country.

Superior to the Su - 35Program KFX / IFX was stopped temporarily by Korea's new leader Park Geun - Hye end of 2012 after reviewing the state financially in the country. This prestigious project was worked on since the beginning of 2011, shortly after President Lee Myung - bak and President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono confirmed the bilateral cooperation in the defense field in Jakarta. From the Technology Development Phase that has been completed, a team of scientists has completed a number of conical design that later became two.

The two designs is a model of the stealth fighter jet -winning twin-engine air superiority with horizontally - tails in the back, and the other one is with canards on the front. "Each has consequences different financing and partners. Thus , it must first be decided which one is selected. It is important that when followed, all parties are ready to do it , "said Rais Zain , whose day-to- day lecturer at the Faculty of Engineering, Aerospace Engineering,ITB, Bandung.

As stated Wamenhan Sjafrie, Korean parliament has prepared 20 million U.S. dollars (temporary , Indonesia : $ 5 million) to continue this program in 2015. At that time , the team will go to the Engineering Manufacturing Development Phase. In addition must have a high thrust engine with a power to be able to fight in the air, the aircraft must also have weapons stored in the internal weapons bay , the data - link capable of randomizing communications, advanced radar target voters, and anti - jamming device.

The prototype is expected to finish by the end of the Strategic Plan II . Even if there are things that need to be criticized , it is a matter of operation requirements are much more determined the Korean Air Force . This was inevitable because the Korean bear 80 percent of the funding, and the country actually have a real enemy. This program is targeted to spawn a jet fighter with performance equivalent or superior to the opponent fighter jets which are the Sukhoi Su - 35.

Prerequisites itself dismissed the proposed counter designs KAI ( Korean Aerospace Industrie) recently, rather than to cut development costs are too great. In configuration ( see Space, December 2013 ), looks KFX type E is only one engine powered with weapons outside the radar sweep prone opponent.

Space examine admiration of ADD ( Agency for Defense Development, Defence Research and Development Agency of Korea ) submitted to the Indonesian engineer team. Initially, the team assumes Korea really had no idea about the design of Indonesian fighter jets. However, the assumption was turned when Indonesian engineers began to describe the design and the various inputs to the design of Korea. The Indonesian side also who ultimately ensure that the aircraft must have a takeoff weight of 50,000 pounds.(A.Darmawan/Angkasa magazine).

http://www.angkasa.co.id/index.php/...tkan-pemerintah-diminta-segera-memilih-desain

Thanks, a good read!

SK and Indonesia are working on Chang Bogo Class SSK upgrades, and KFX/IFX program, the two countries do have a lot of collaborations in defence tech.

In terms of 4.5G/5G jet, other parallels in the region would be Singapore and Australia's participation (though very limited I suppose) in F-35. Haven't heard much about future plans of Malaysia and Thailand though, they are using Su-30MKM, F/A-18 and F-16 now am I correct?
 
no wonder. indonesia army sucks. have you followed indonesia military thread? they post the same tank, the same jet over and over again, just pictured in different angles :partay:

from coast guard to navy to airforce to land force: no money. they only have few money to spend on infrantry to fight terrorism and separatism.

much better than posting an equipment sitting duck at their hangar, only to become hangar queen, oh wait storages queen much more appropriate

LOl why should they join your inferior toy jet if the indo delusional posters here believe their KFX fckng jet will be even superior to S-35 and F-35? :woot:

KFX is Korean-Indo joint venture with help of Lockheed Martin from Murrican, so yeah it will became a nasty fighter if we succeed, unlike Vietnamese who drolling over something, we make a step

that makes sense.

LOL at $200m. and they hope getting a superior stealth fighter jet? delusional at best :dance3:

Indonesian been offered with Rafale or Eurofighter, they know we had spared at least 4 billion US dollar to bought new fighter for the next five years, 200 million US dollar is pie of cake


And are we talking about Vietnam is who withdraw from Asian Games because she is dirt poor

Thanks, a good read!

SK and Indonesia are working on Chang Bogo Class SSK upgrades, and KFX/IFX program, the two countries do have a lot of collaborations in defence tech.

In terms of 4.5G/5G jet, other parallels in the region would be Singapore and Australia's participation (though very limited I suppose) in F-35. Haven't heard much about future plans of Malaysia and Thailand though, they are using Su-30MKM, F/A-18 and F-16 now am I correct?

Indonesia-SK had been together developing Makassar Class LPD, then we had joint project for Black Fox Armored Vehicle called Tarantula in Indonesia, and right now we are looking for possibility to develop long range Artillery Rocket System in class of M-270/HIMARS.

But i think, like China, Indonesia had strategic cooperation with European Countries, Indonesia-Netherland right now in joint project for Sigma Class Frigate (actually SIGMA Class design is been made solely to fulfill Indonesian Navy requirements and turn out it had been a success design). Beside that, Indonesia-France is in arrangement to build a Propellant factory in Indonesia, and there is joint project with Canada and US to build Bell Helicopter manufacturing facility in Indonesia, and Indonesia had a close relationship with Spain regarding Aviation Industry so Indonesia is able to securing the license production of CN-235 and CN-212 light Airlifter aircraft.

If i recall Malaysia-Thailand is actually had joint project for land vehicle programme, kind of MRAP.
 
Indonesia-SK had been together developing Makassar Class LPD, then we had joint project for Black Fox Armored Vehicle called Tarantula in Indonesia, and right now we are looking for possibility to develop long range Artillery Rocket System in class of M-270/HIMARS.

But i think, like China, Indonesia had strategic cooperation with European Countries, Indonesia-Netherland right now in joint project for Sigma Class Frigate (actually SIGMA Class design is been made solely to fulfill Indonesian Navy requirements and turn out it had been a success design). Beside that, Indonesia-France is in arrangement to build a Propellant factory in Indonesia, and there is joint project with Canada and US to build Bell Helicopter manufacturing facility in Indonesia, and Indonesia had a close relationship with Spain regarding Aviation Industry so Indonesia is able to securing the license production of CN-235 and CN-212 light Airlifter aircraft.

If i recall Malaysia-Thailand is actually had joint project for land vehicle programme, kind of MRAP.

Thanks for the info. Compared with others, I do have more confidence in collaboration with SK which has demonstrated excellent capabilities in many armaments like K2 MBT, K9, Sejong class DDG, Incheon class FFG, F/A-50, etc. It's just that defence market is heavily influenced by political clout, a trait which SK traditionally lacks. With addition of Indonesia's tech/manufacturing base, I do believe the KFX/IFX consortium will succeed.
 
Thanks for the info. Compared with others, I do have more confidence in collaboration with SK which has demonstrated excellent capabilities in many armaments like K2 MBT, K9, Sejong class DDG, Incheon class FFG, F/A-50, etc. It's just that defence market is heavily influenced by political clout, a trait which SK traditionally lacks. With addition of Indonesia's tech/manufacturing base, I do believe the KFX/IFX consortium will succeed.


Actually, Korean is a shrewd and cunning trader/businessman. And in arm trading, they have been recorded much success in short period of time, they can catch the niche and reading their market properly, and it will be no surprises if KFX project is a success, she will be a though contender in fighter market.
 
@Shotgunner51 @madokafc

U r so naive that American will help KF-X project development, just right now Lockheed Martin widely sell their F-35 to whole world customers ... only sell G.E's F-404 or Pratt & Whitney's F-135 jet engine is much lower benefit than selling a whole F-35 + weapons + maintain costs to the foreign nation, and i don't believe U.S willing to grow up KF-X to compete with F-35 sale.

Just check out now how many U.S ally nations can design domestic fighter with American help ? Most r busy assembling F-16/F-15 in their airforce, later will be F-35A. :partay:
 
Thanks, a good read!

SK and Indonesia are working on Chang Bogo Class SSK upgrades, and KFX/IFX program, the two countries do have a lot of collaborations in defence tech.

In terms of 4.5G/5G jet, other parallels in the region would be Singapore and Australia's participation (though very limited I suppose) in F-35. Haven't heard much about future plans of Malaysia and Thailand though, they are using Su-30MKM, F/A-18 and F-16 now am I correct?

Yup, correct, Malaysia has a combination of Russian/ American fighters (F-18./ 8 planes). They dont have F-16 though, instead they have around 10 -12 Mig 29 beside 18 of Su-30.

Thailand has quite many F-16, but they are all an old version ( A/B version), without BVR missile. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
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@Shotgunner51 @madokafc

U r so naive that American will help KF-X project development, just right now Lockheed Martin widely sell their F-35 to whole world customers ... only sell G.E's F-404 or Pratt & Whitney's F-135 jet engine is much lower benefit than selling a whole F-35 + weapons + maintain costs to the foreign nation, and i don't believe U.S willing to grow up KF-X to compete with F-35 sale.

Just check out now how many U.S ally nations can design domestic fighter with American help ? Most r busy assembling F-16/F-15 in their airforce, later will be F-35A. :partay:

KFX is will be in class of between F-16 and F-35, there is a niche in this gap of capability. The most likely they will compete against European Trio Canard, Russian and Chinese 4.5 gen fighter.
 
much better than posting an equipment sitting duck at their hangar, only to become hangar queen, oh wait storages queen much more appropriate



KFX is Korean-Indo joint venture with help of Lockheed Martin from Murrican, so yeah it will became a nasty fighter if we succeed, unlike Vietnamese who drolling over something, we make a step



Indonesian been offered with Rafale or Eurofighter, they know we had spared at least 4 billion US dollar to bought new fighter for the next five years, 200 million US dollar is pie of cake


And are we talking about Vietnam is who withdraw from Asian Games because she is dirt poor



Indonesia-SK had been together developing Makassar Class LPD, then we had joint project for Black Fox Armored Vehicle called Tarantula in Indonesia, and right now we are looking for possibility to develop long range Artillery Rocket System in class of M-270/HIMARS.

But i think, like China, Indonesia had strategic cooperation with European Countries, Indonesia-Netherland right now in joint project for Sigma Class Frigate (actually SIGMA Class design is been made solely to fulfill Indonesian Navy requirements and turn out it had been a success design). Beside that, Indonesia-France is in arrangement to build a Propellant factory in Indonesia, and there is joint project with Canada and US to build Bell Helicopter manufacturing facility in Indonesia, and Indonesia had a close relationship with Spain regarding Aviation Industry so Indonesia is able to securing the license production of CN-235 and CN-212 light Airlifter aircraft.

If i recall Malaysia-Thailand is actually had joint project for land vehicle programme, kind of MRAP.
LOl I wait until all of your plans and acquisitions to materialize. talk is cheap.
yes, so sad, we have no money for asian games, but enough for 19 pieces of Boeing 787-9, and 14 Airbus A350-900.



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@Shotgunner51 @madokafc

U r so naive that American will help KF-X project development, just right now Lockheed Martin widely sell their F-35 to whole world customers ... only sell G.E's F-404 or Pratt & Whitney's F-135 jet engine is much lower benefit than selling a whole F-35 + weapons + maintain costs to the foreign nation, and i don't believe U.S willing to grow up KF-X to compete with F-35 sale.

Just check out now how many U.S ally nations can design domestic fighter with American help ? Most r busy assembling F-16/F-15 in their airforce, later will be F-35A. :partay:
KFX is will be in class of between F-16 and F-35, there is a niche in this gap of capability. The most likely they will compete against European Trio Canard, Russian and Chinese 4.5 gen fighter.

I never expect Lockheed Martin to genuinely help anybody else, especially their potential competitors here refer to KAI (Korean Aerospace Industries) & IA (Indonesian Aerospace).

KAI-IA consortium will have to do their own job on this 4.5G jet (I suppose the platform could even be upgradable to 5G in the future), which I am confident on their success given tech/industrial strength of their respective countries. My optimism also arises from my speculation that in the future warfare, electronics would be a more decisive factor than mechanical advantages (e.g. stealth, super-cruise), and that's exactly an area that SK is very good at.
 
LOl I wait until all of your plans and acquisitions to materialize. talk is cheap.
yes, so sad, we have no money for asian games, but enough for 19 pieces of Boeing 787-9, and 14 Airbus A350-900.



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19 & you already bragging about it try buying 234 planes then you can brag about it.

Airbus lands biggest deal ever from Indonesia's Lion Air

The CEOs of both companies signed the contract for 234 planes in a ceremony at the French presidential palace, a sign of its importance to the government. At a time when layoff announcements are streaming out of French companies and unemployment is more than 10%, Airbus said the manufacturing of the planes would happen in France and would involve 5,000 employees there.
 

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