Indonesia eyes Eurofighters to check China’s threat

[antonius123]

Taiwan will also be increasing their military capability by then too. You think Taiwan will be sucking it's thumb doing nothing till then?

By then Taiwan would have multiple squadron of F-35s & God know how many more in their shopping list.

China now is projected to lose around 100k of soldiers taking Taiwan in 10 years as Taiwan starts to arming themselves the number of casualty are expected to multiplied.

This is called force multiplier. The numbers are just not in China's favor. This is just Taiwan the US are expected to help them in case of an invasion so yeah china can only dream of taking Taiwan.

Claiming that a Taiwan with GDP only less than 1/20 of that of China, can multiply squadron of stealth fighter etc outnumber China in 10 years ahead is the real day dreaming and a joke

In year 2019, China with expenditure $ 261 billion - is the world second largest for the military expenditure, only trailing US.

In year 2019, China military expenditure is ~ 25x larger than what Taiwan expended.

Not to mention the weapon that Taiwan could buy from US usually is much more expensive than what China can produce by themself for the comparable weapon.

Not to mention China GDP growth will be still higher than that of Taiwan in the next 10 years

 

[Daniel808]

Notice not one amphibious landing ships...

But joking aside. China simply can't take Taiwan on the basis of logistics & geography. China don't have enough airbases & naval bases to support a large scale invasion. Taiwan in addition doesn't even need to beat china to stop an invasion they just have make the airspace unpredictable ala battle of britain to stop any naval landing.

Also this: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3976853

So China can't take Taiwan either way.

Yes, China right now pumping Amphibious Assault Ships like dumplings.

You are joking right? They definetly have more than enough to support their Taiwan Battle

Chinese Arms Industry is so Massive..
They are the country that building Type 056A Corvette (in the same class with Sigma class corvette) in 1 month per unit. Meanwhile other countries need more than 1 year to build 1 unit same class Corvette

This is the breakdown :
Overall, for China Navy 72 units, plus Bangladesh Navy 4 units, and Nigerian Navy 2 units.
Total : 78 Units Type 056 Corvette from 2012 to 2020

Breakdown by shipyards for China's Navy :
Liaonan Shipyard - 14 units
Wuchang Shipyard- 15 units
Huangpu Shipyard- 21 units
Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard (HDZH)- 22 units

That's How Massive China's Arms Industry at this moment.

And they did that all with Budget Defence only mere 2% of their GDP. Imagine if they up their Budget Defence to 4% of GDP like US did

 

[Figaro]

Not many people talking about it here but I do wonder how many players would be left on the table when the tech tree complicated and climb to sixth generation warfare, where you might have to spend billion dollars for an important subsystem, multi,even hundred billion for the whole project.
what would be the fate of the small,middle size countries.

Honestly just the US and China ... Russia cannot even successfully develop a 5th gen stealth fighter with their Su-57. The 6th gen race will be primarily between the US versus China.

 

[antonius123]

Yes, China right now pumping Amphibious Assault Ships like dumplings.

You are joking right? They definetly have more than enough to support their Taiwan Battle
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Chinese Arms Industry is so Massive..
They are the country that building Type 056A Corvette (in the same class with Sigma class corvette) in 1 month per unit. Meanwhile other countries need more than 1 year to build 1 unit same class Corvette

This is the breakdown :
Overall, for China Navy 72 units, plus Bangladesh Navy 4 units, and Nigerian Navy 2 units.
Total : 78 Units Type 056 Corvette from 2012 to 2020

Breakdown by shipyards for China's Navy :
Liaonan Shipyard - 14 units
Wuchang Shipyard- 15 units
Huangpu Shipyard- 21 units
Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard (HDZH)- 22 units

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That's How Massive China's Arms Industry at this moment.

And they did that all with Budget Defence only mere 2% of their GDP. Imagine if they up their Budget Defence to 4% of GDP like US did

In 2019, China military expenditure is more than 1/3 that of USA.
I believe in term of PPP, the China military expenditure is not far behind that of US, considering made in China weapon is significantly cheaper than ones made in USA. Not to mention US has so many overseas military bases that she has to maintain from the budget, thats why China can more focus on development.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Claiming that a Taiwan with GDP only less than 1/20 of that of China, can multiply squadron of stealth fighter etc outnumber China in 10 years ahead is the real dream and a joke [emoji38]

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In year 2019, China with expenditure $ 261 billion - is the world second largest for the military expenditure, only trailing US.

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In year 2019, China military expenditure is ~ 25x larger than what Taiwan expended. [emoji23]

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Not to mention the weapon that Taiwan could buy from US usually is much more expensive than what China can produce by themself for the comparable weapon.

Not to mention China GDP growth will be still higher than that of Taiwan in the next 10 years

None of that matters if you can't bring the hardwares to Taiwan. War isn't just about the toys it's about the logistic involved in carrying the toys there's also a lot more to it but then I'll be here all day.

Taiwan already have qualitative edge over china. With their purchases of F-16V Taiwan already have better overall fighter compared to China & even in the future china doesn't have anything close to the F-35.

Also you forget that with the new law passed Taiwan is Basically protected by not only US but south Korea & Japan. It doesn't matter how many junks you can churned out it will all be underwater or blown up. Like I said it's all in your dream.

 

[Figaro]

Taiwan already have qualitative edge over china. With their purchases of F-16V Taiwan already have better overall fighter compared to China & even in the future china doesn't have anything close to the F-35.

There is something called the J-20 ...

 

[Daniel808]

In 2019, China military expenditure is more than 1/3 that of USA.
I believe in term of PPP, the China military expenditure is not far behind that of US, considering made in China weapon is significantly cheaper than ones made in USA. Not to mention US has so many overseas military bases that she has to maintain from the budget, thats why China can more focus on development.

Yes, in GDP PPP terms Chinese already leaving US in the dust.

Not only that..
US Arms Industry is Full of Private Enterprise who sulking US Defence Budget for their own profit.
Meanwhile, majority of Chinese Arms Industry is State owned Enterprise with 10% Profit max.

That's why you pay much more amount for same stuff in US than in China

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

There is something called the J-20 ...

J-20 are intercept plane it's. You might be thinking about J-31 which still not in the PLAAF inventory.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

J-20 are intercept plane it's. You might be thinking about J-31 which still not in the PLAAF inventory.

proof? you already could not offer proof of your other assertions while I have proof of every single refutation.

why are you allergic to proof?

why do you think that asserting something without proof makes it correct?

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

proof? you already could not offer proof of your other assertions while I have proof of every single refutation.

why are you allergic to proof?

why do you think that asserting something without proof makes it correct?

Wrong thread genius

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Wrong thread genius

nope its the same problem: you keep asserting things without proof and I'm going to keep calling you out on it.

 

[antonius123]

None of that matters if you can't bring the hardwares to Taiwan. War isn't just about the toys it's about the logistic involved in carrying the toys there's also a lot more to it but then I'll be here all day.

Which logistic ship/planes that you think China is still lacking in order to invade Taiwan?

Taiwan already have qualitative edge over china. With their purchases of F-16V Taiwan already have better overall fighter compared to China & even in the future china doesn't have anything close to the F-35.

Also you forget that with the new law passed Taiwan is Basically protected by not only US but south Korea & Japan. It doesn't matter how many junks you can churned out it will all be underwater or blown up. Like I said it's all in your dream.

LOL. Calling F-16V is better than J-20 is really a day dreaming & joke, one is 4.5 gen fighter the other is 5th gen fighter

Also you and I dont know which one is better in BVR and WVR between F-16V and J-10C. If I were you, I'll put my bet on J-10C considering PL-15 (BVRAAM) and TVC (WVR), not to mention with high possibility J-10C is semi stealth.

Ultimately the superiority of the J-10C is overwhelming. The two jets may be well matched in terms of electronic warfare systems and situational awareness - although export variants of the F-16V will have a disadvantage due to downgraded avionics - the J-10C’s advantages in weaponry and flight performance are overwhelming. As stealth fighters continue to proliferate, the J-10 also has the advantage of integrating an infra red search and tracking system (IRST) allowing it to more effectively lock onto stealth fighters at medium ands short ranges. An IRST also allows the fighter to maintain high situational awareness without a radar signature if needed - something the F-16 cannot do. The discrepancy in the capabilities of the American and Chinese single engine fighters is reflected in the fact that the former much older design has not seen interest from the U.S. Air Force - while the J-10C continues to be mass produced and fielded by elite Chinese units.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...le-engine-fighter-would-prevail-in-an-air-war

China’s J-10C Reportedly Crushed the Russian Su-35 in Combat Exercises - How the Firebird Came Out On Top
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...at-exercises-how-the-firebird-came-out-on-top

 

[antonius123]

nope its the same problem: you keep asserting things without proof and I'm going to keep calling you out on it.

Fanboy typical, asserting things he is dreaming.

 

[Daniel808]

Which logistic ship/planes that you think China is still lacking in order to invade Taiwan?




LOL. Calling F-16V is better than J-20 is really a day dreaming & joke, one is 4.5 gen fighter the other is 5th gen fighter

Also you and I dont know which one is better in BVR and WVR between F-16V and J-10C. If I were you, I'll put my bet on J-10C considering PL-15 (BVRAAM) and TVC (WVR), not to mention with high possibility J-10C is semi stealth.

Ultimately the superiority of the J-10C is overwhelming. The two jets may be well matched in terms of electronic warfare systems and situational awareness - although export variants of the F-16V will have a disadvantage due to downgraded avionics - the J-10C’s advantages in weaponry and flight performance are overwhelming. As stealth fighters continue to proliferate, the J-10 also has the advantage of integrating an infra red search and tracking system (IRST) allowing it to more effectively lock onto stealth fighters at medium ands short ranges. An IRST also allows the fighter to maintain high situational awareness without a radar signature if needed - something the F-16 cannot do. The discrepancy in the capabilities of the American and Chinese single engine fighters is reflected in the fact that the former much older design has not seen interest from the U.S. Air Force - while the J-10C continues to be mass produced and fielded by elite Chinese units.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...le-engine-fighter-would-prevail-in-an-air-war

China’s J-10C Reportedly Crushed the Russian Su-35 in Combat Exercises - How the Firebird Came Out On Top
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...at-exercises-how-the-firebird-came-out-on-top

For BVR Engagements, F-16V ROC only can buy AIM-120D with 150km range. Meanwhile, Chinese J-10C can use PL-15 Missile with more than 300km range
PL-15 Missile with 300+km Range

I wonder with his logic..
How can WW2 Submarine and Cold war era Destroyer, threaten Chinese Navy?

Yes, ROCN still have a Chance if fighting Navy from South east asia countries. But against PLAN, they have no chance at all

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Which logistic ship/planes that you think China is still lacking in order to invade Taiwan?




LOL. Calling F-16V is better than J-20 is really a day dreaming & joke, one is 4.5 gen fighter the other is 5th gen fighter [emoji23]

Also you and I dont know which one is better in BVR and WVR between F-16V and J-10C. If I were you, I'll put my bet on J-10C considering PL-15 (BVRAAM) and TVC (WVR), not to mention with high possibility J-10C is semi stealth.

Ultimately the superiority of the J-10C is overwhelming. The two jets may be well matched in terms of electronic warfare systems and situational awareness - although export variants of the F-16V will have a disadvantage due to downgraded avionics - the J-10C’s advantages in weaponry and flight performance are overwhelming. As stealth fighters continue to proliferate, the J-10 also has the advantage of integrating an infra red search and tracking system (IRST) allowing it to more effectively lock onto stealth fighters at medium ands short ranges. An IRST also allows the fighter to maintain high situational awareness without a radar signature if needed - something the F-16 cannot do. The discrepancy in the capabilities of the American and Chinese single engine fighters is reflected in the fact that the former much older design has not seen interest from the U.S. Air Force - while the J-10C continues to be mass produced and fielded by elite Chinese units.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...le-engine-fighter-would-prevail-in-an-air-war

China’s J-10C Reportedly Crushed the Russian Su-35 in Combat Exercises - How the Firebird Came Out On Top
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...at-exercises-how-the-firebird-came-out-on-top

How do you suppose you bring your toys if you keep getting shot at by the Taiwanese?

Nobody gonna call him out for making assertions without proof?

Fun fact the Viper are also LO plane & if it's avionics the vipers already more advanced than what J-10C are currently carrying.

https://www.lockeedmartin.com/en-us...-technologically-advanced-4th-generation.html

So yeah I'm gonna say the viper won hands down.