Indonesia eyes Eurofighters to check China’s threat

[Reashot Xigwin]

Sorry, those jammers and ECM will be useless against AESA's in J-20, J-10C, J-16, and PL-15.

The missile features an active electronically scanned array radar,[4] and has a range exceeding 200 km – comparable to that of the Russian R-37 missile. It is 4 meters long and incorporates a dual-thrust rocket motor, capable of a speed of Mach 4.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL-15

Made in China AESA that's an assurance of quality. Also Deception is technically a counter measure. So I guess that still work.

& Ain't pl-15 a AA/AD & are not supposed to target fighter aircraft? Just saying.

 

[gambit]

If ..... Taiwan really could prevent China invasion.

The question is .. : how Taiwan could prevent China invasion, while their airbase and other military bases have been crushed by DF-21/DF-26/DH-10/etc? and all their war ship sunk into sea by PLAN's destroyers/subs/ASM?

This tells me you have not done proper research. Looks like that 'aviation education' did not worked out too well, eh?

 

[antonius123]

This tells me you have not done proper research. Looks like that 'aviation education' did not worked out too well, eh?

Just answer with your best argument if you can ... instead of babbling with unclear claims. You need credit right?

 

[antonius123]

Made in China AESA that's an assurance of quality. Also Deception is technically a counter measure. So I guess that still work.

& Ain't pl-15 a AA/AD & are not supposed to target fighter aircraft? Just saying.

AESA is AESA; low probability to intercept (LPI) is the inherent feature, meaning very hard to be intercepted/jammed/etc.

Besides, you play too much assumption underestimating China's tech.

If you want to play with assumption, see how Huawei 5G outclass US/European/Japanese competitors in term of quality and tech; or see how P40 compared to the other best of Samsung/Apple, or how her Maglev leave the other in the dust, where her supercomputer stand in the top list, their quantum satellite, etc. From there you can estimate the quality of China's latest AESA

 

[gambit]

Just answer with your best argument if you can ... instead of babbling with unclear claims, you need credit right?

I already have -- to someone else. And he could not challenge what I put forth.

I will give you another hint. The airwar planners dept of Desert Storm turned their skills towards Taiwan and they estimated that the targeting criteria to win in Taiwan doubled that of Iraq. But of course, you would not know that because you are too caught up in yourself to think that there might be someone with experience in the matter.

 

[antonius123]

I already have -- to someone else. And he could not challenge what I put forth.

I will give you another hint. The airwar planners dept of Desert Storm turned their skills towards Taiwan and they estimated that the targeting criteria to win in Taiwan doubled that of Iraq. But of course, you would not know that because you are too caught up in yourself to think that there might be someone with experience in the matter.

Not for many, if not most

No need to give me any hint, I am not interested to guess any assumptions or any untested way of thinking in your mind.

Tell me how Taiwan's pilot and troops with their lot experience can prevent Taiwan's airbase damage due to the strike of DF-21, DF-26, DH-10, J-20, etc? and how their ships can survive rain of YJ-12 from numerous Type 052D and subs' attack?

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

AESA is AESA; low probability to intercept (LPI) is the inherent feature, meaning very hard to be intercepted/jammed/etc.

Besides, you play too much assumption underestimating China's tech.

If you want to play with assumption, see how Huawei 5G outclass US/European/Japanese competitors in term of quality and tech; or see how P40 compared to the other best of Samsung/Apple, or how her Maglev leave the other in the dust, where her supercomputer stand in the top list, their quantum satellite, etc. From there you can estimate the quality of China's latest AESA [emoji38]

SABR are also AESA. So what?

Also what does Huawei have to do with anything?

 

[antonius123]

SABR are also AESA. So what?

Also what does Huawei have to do with anything?

That means SABR is LPI too ... but unfortunately cannot prevent Viper from PL-15 onslaught

Huawei's achivement etc is to show you what the China quality and technology means; like i said: from there you can estimate the quality of China's latest AESA... if you want to play with assumption.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

That means SABR is LPI too ... but unfortunately cannot prevent Viper from PL-15 onslaught [emoji38]

Huawei's achivement etc is to show you what the China quality means

The one that have the better AESA still have an advantages over the one that is not. So Viper still win in the end.

Huawei achievement are only in the civilian sector. In the military China's achievement are mixed. Remember china only have access to dual purposed, Soviet & stolen western technology.

 

[antonius123]

The one that have the better AESA still have an advantages over the one that is not. So Viper still win in the end.

Huawei achievement are only in the civilian sector. In the military China's achievement are mixed. Remember china only have access to dual purposed, Soviet & stolen western technology.

How do you know Viper's AESA is better? asserting from nothing again?

If Huawei's 5G is better, why China's latest AESA could not be better as well? or at least on par?

Besides, assuming it is, still better AESA could not defeat another AESA. Like I said: AESA is LPI, means almost impossible to be intercepted/jammed even by another better AESA.

You need to learn basic military tech & knowledge before daring to make brave and assertive argument with others.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

How do you know Viper's AESA is better? asserting from nothing again? [emoji23]

If Huawei's 5G is better, why China's latest AESA could not be better as well? or at least on par?

Besides, assuming it is, still better AESA could not defeat another AESA. Like I said: AESA is LPI, means almost impossible to be intercepted/jammed even by another better AESA. [emoji38]

You need to learn basic military tech & knowledge before daring to make brave and assertive argument with others.

Then what makes Chinese AESA any better?

F-16V actually have a suites design to sends successive pulse to detect LPIR. So again so what?

If you can't tell the differences between military & civilian technology then you are the one that need to learn more.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Huawei achievement are only in the civilian sector.

physics is physics. Huawei has a civilian beamforming phased array antenna for 5G (see figure 4-2 for a summary of their antenna design).

https://carrier.huawei.com/~/media/...-5G-New-Antenna-5G-Antenna-White-Paper-v2.pdf

Huawei sells phased array microwave antennas, and anyone can buy it on the open market. If that's what's available for sale, imagine what's underneath the hood in military applications.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I already have -- to someone else. And he could not challenge what I put forth.

I will give you another hint. The airwar planners dept of Desert Storm turned their skills towards Taiwan and they estimated that the targeting criteria to win in Taiwan doubled that of Iraq. But of course, you would not know that because you are too caught up in yourself to think that there might be someone with experience in the matter.

I did. You ran. Here's the thread of record. https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/taiwan-simulates-chinese-invasion.676344/page-4

You ended by saying that I showed only contempt for Taiwanese forces, that there was tribal knowledge involved, and that Taiwan could keep the PLA off-balance.

I saw that as concession, because that is essentially saying - "but they have a secret ace up their sleeve". You never apply this logic to the PLAAF and PLAN though.

The other thing is that you could not contest videos of Taiwan's own Han Kuang exercises, where they show 1940's tactics of lining up tanks along the beach in the open and their air force/navy sallying into the strait to fight a decisive battle against the PLAN in the open ocean.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

physics is physics. Huawei has a civilian beamforming phased array antenna for 5G (see figure 4-2 for a summary of their antenna design).

https://carrier.huawei.com/~/media/...-5G-New-Antenna-5G-Antenna-White-Paper-v2.pdf

Huawei sells phased array microwave antennas, and anyone can buy it on the open market. If that's what's available for sale, imagine what's underneath the hood in military applications.

Not much considering China keeps stealing military secret.

Here's the list of all the companies making LPIR radar:
Northrop Grumman
Raytheon
Hughes Aircraft (bought by Raytheon)
Telephonic corporation
Thales Nederland
Lockheed Martin
SAAB
Ericsson Microwave (bought by SAAB)

I don't think the west are not that far behind. More like way ahead of the AESA technology.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Not much considering China keeps stealing military secret.

Here's the list of all the companies making LPIR radar:
Northrop Grumman
Raytheon
Hughes Aircraft (bought by Raytheon)
Telephonic corporation
Thales Nederland
Lockheed Martin
SAAB
Ericsson Microwave (bought by SAAB)

I don't think the west are not that far behind. More like way ahead of the AESA technology.

You have no answer to the fact that Huawei, a fully civilian company, can produce civilian phased array antenna for 5G. Instead you list some company names without even understanding what AESA radar is.

I'll take that as a concession that you have no idea what you're talking about.