Indonesia eyes Eurofighters to check China’s threat

[antonius123]

the scale of gulf war is just unimaginable in nowdays, I am just talking about a likely scenario for a2a engagement.

A2A engagement in enemy's territory is useless; besides the planes you mention are fighter bombers or strikers. It is used for a certain mission only (eg: Osirak bombing)..

 

[Figaro]

I just make a guess about which country has the capability to attack Indonesia like what happen in Iraq, so far China doesnt have that capability to do so to Indonesia due to their limited amount of aircraft carriers. Only USA who has such capability. Maybe limited military conflict in North Natuna sea can still happen, due to airfield China has in SCS and two aircraft carrier they already have.

Honestly the possibility of conflict between China and Indonesia is very low ... far lower than between China and Vietnam, which is already pretty low. Buying new weapons does not mean war is imminent lol as many clickbait articles suggest.

Let me introduce you to my little friend...

Payload capacity and range of H-6K is rather limited ... China needs the H-20 to present a major bomber threat against the Second Island Chain. Do remember that while the H-6K is very heavily modified, it is still nonetheless based on a bomber that first flew in 1952. There are large limitations to its capability. Besides aerial refueling (which is being rectified by the Y-20U tanker), the biggest shortcoming for the PLAAF is the lack of a modern strategic bomber.

 

[IblinI]

besides the planes you mention are fighter bombers or strikers. It is used for a certain mission only

one is designated for air superiority mission while the other one multi roll.

 

[Indos]

Honestly the possibility of conflict between China and Indonesia is very low ... far lower than between China and Vietnam, which is already pretty low. Buying new weapons does not mean war is imminent lol as many clickbait articles suggest.

I also dont think there will be a war between Indonesia and China over EEZ dispute in North Natuna Sea. This is why I always stress the importance to put more budget on R&D than buying imported defense equipment for the next 10 years.

 

[antonius123]

Let me introduce you to my little friend...

You can use H-6K for bombing, only if your enemy's air defence system has been paralyzed, otherwise they will be consumed by SAMs or interceptors. Thats why stealth fighter like J-20 and stealth bomber like H-20 is needed for destroying air defence system at the first place.

 

[Nike]

I just make a guess about which country has the capability to attack Indonesia like what happen in Iraq, so far China doesnt have that capability to do so to Indonesia due to their limited amount of aircraft carriers. Only USA who has such capability. Maybe limited military conflict in North Natuna sea can still happen, due to airfield China has in SCS and two aircraft carrier they already have.

They already clear and present danger for Indonesia. Their fleets consist of many AAW Frigates and Destroyer with SSBN and SSN is part of it. Not to mention their use of Salami slicing strategis to use large number of grey hulls and white hulls at the same time to enforced and backing their fishing militia.

 

[IblinI]

You can use H-6K for bombing, only if your enemy's air defence system has been paralyzed, otherwise they will be consumed by SAMs or interceptors. Thats why stealth fighter like J-20 and stealth bomber like H-20 is needed for destroying air defence system at the first place.

no country would send its bomber for a carpet bombing mission these days.
indo airforce also seriously lacks AD system with two battries of nasams and some manpads in its stock, if I am not wrong.

 

[Figaro]

You can use H-6K for bombing, only if your enemy's air defence system has been paralyzed, otherwise they will be consumed by SAMs or interceptors. Thats why stealth fighter like J-20 and stealth bomber like H-20 is needed for destroying air defence system at the first place.

Indonesia's air defense system is pretty small ... the H-6K could still perform there but the inherent payload and range limitations make it not a very good bombing platform. Against other enemies though with a sophisticated SAM network, the H-6K will not likely perform well.

no country would send its bomber for a carpet bombing mission these days.

Well you still need a bomber to strike tactical targets as well. Carpet bombing is a thing of the past but precision guided bombing is as relevant as ever.

 

[antonius123]

no country would send its bomber for a carpet bombing mission these days.

It is still very much relevant today, because destroying infrastructure, factories, military bases are still much relevant to defeat a country; but of course will be done after enemy's air defense system paralyzed.

 

[S10]

It's time for regime change in Jakharta. PLA marines can attack Jakharta by sea after softening the coastal defenses with a bombing campaign. Type 099 tanks can roll right into the presidential palace and depose their joker of the leader.

China has no territorial dispute with Indonesia. The only disagreement is EEZ overlap. It's actually one of our largest trading partners. No need for the chest pumping talk.

Regime change is an American trademark.

 

[S10]

It is still very much relevant today, because destroying infrastructure, factories, military bases are still much relevant to defeat a country; but of course will be done after enemy's air defense system paralyzed.

Those targets can be attacked with precision glide bombs and don't require the bombers to physically fly overhead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FT_PGB

Of course this is all hypothetical non-sense. Only fanatics would imagine going to war with Indonesia. I personally find Indonesians to be extremely friendly and likable.

 

[Feng Leng]

China has no territorial dispute with Indonesia. The only disagreement is EEZ overlap. It's actually one of our largest trading partners. No need for the chest pumping talk.

Indonesia is the only SEA country that continues to deploy their navy to confront us over the South China Sea. Never underestimate human being's stupidity.

Regime change is an American trademark.

Tell that to the Qing dynasty.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

@Feng Leng

China has 3x 3000 m runway airbases in the South China Sea with 70+ aircraft shelters and missile sites, 1000 km away from Natuna Islands, as of 2017. The difference between runways and even catapult enabled aircraft carriers is that runways can support jet AWAC, tanker, transport, bomber and maritime patrol aircraft.

Hypothetically, in the very unlikely event that Indonesian aggression forced China to defend itself, Indonesia would have only 100 combat aircraft to contest the entire South China Sea while the PLAAF and PLAN can surge 80 combat aircraft on aircraft carriers and 200 aircraft to airbases within 1000 km of Indonesian occupied territory. The airbases also allow AWAC, tanker and maritime strike assets to be deployed within the theater of operations as necessary. In addition, Y-20 has enough lift capability to carry DF-21 TELs to the islands to provide for organic ballistic missile fire support.

 

[nufix]

China has no territorial dispute with Indonesia. The only disagreement is EEZ overlap. It's actually one of our largest trading partners. No need for the chest pumping talk.

Regime change is an American trademark.

This is what I have been saying! China and Indonesia disagrees on EEZ, should be resolved to the satisfaction of both countries rather peacefully.

Indonesia is the only SEA country that continues to deploy their navy to confront us over the South China Sea. Never underestimate human being's stupidity.
Tell that to the Qing dynasty.

Because there is a conflict over the EEZ and Chinese fishing boats apparently could not wait until the issue is resolved. Moreover, Chinese white and grey hulls are also spotted in the area. So yeah, never underestimate the stupidity of human being.

 

[IblinI]

Y-20 has enough lift capability to carry DF-21 TELs to the islands to provide for organic ballistic missile fire support.

That would be the job of H6N