Indigenization will be critical to Pakistan’s next-generation fighter ....

[Zain Malik]

Sometimes I really wish these thread openers start donating some money to PAF with the same zeal as the open such threads with all their fancy interpretations. Military budget is largely taken up by the Army, PAF always gets less than what they should, PN usually gets the leftovers.

its a discussion forum and every member has right to start a legal discussion....

 

[SBD-3]

its a discussion forum and every member has right to start a legal discussion....

this is not a legal discussion, this needs to be logical.

 

[Zain Malik]

this is not a legal discussion, this needs to be logical.

what is illogical in it..??

 

[SBD-3]

what is illogical in it..??

Pakistan isn't even producing the full JF-17 as of now. Neither has the chunks of Money like Chinese,Europeans,Russian and US. Making planes doesn't come cheap.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I am still waiting for PAF to induct J-10s or J-20s. I am waiting for PLAAF to induct JF-17s. The PLAAF operates several hundred J-7s which could be replaced by JF-17s

J-10s will not be inducted as they do not meet current PAF requirements. When J-20 & J-31 programs are fully inducted into the PLAAF, then they will be given to Pakistan. That will be between 5-10 years.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Let me give you a crux
MONEY will be critical for Pakistan's next gen fighter program.
MONEY will not be available anytime soon because of current stock being spent on paying back the outstanding loans of earlier induction.
So Pakistan's next gen fighter will be an off-shelf procurement.

An off-the-shelf purchase and indigenization aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Ultimately, the main objective behind this "indigenous" talk is to build a domestic support base to ensure that our fighters are fully operable in crisis and war. One doesn't need to design and build a fighter to achieve that, raising the necessary MRO infrastructure would suffice. Having native access to the platform and being able to arm and configure it at will would suffice. Getting a command of subsystem development (e.g. ECM/EW) and freely integrating that would suffice.

 

[I S I]

I know but this technology requires at least two decades to be inducted....

Lol more like 2 centuries.

 

[SBD-3]

An off-the-shelf purchase and indigenization aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Ultimately, the main objective behind this "indigenous" talk is to build a domestic support base to ensure that our fighters are fully operable in crisis and war. One doesn't need to design and build a fighter to achieve that, raising the necessary MRO infrastructure would suffice. Having native access to the platform and being able to arm and configure it at will would suffice. Getting a command of subsystem development (e.g. ECM/EW) and freely integrating that would suffice.

That's more adaptation than indignation. If I go by your definition, even the Mirages and F-7s are indigenous to Pakistan and F-16s are to Turkey. Even if I perceive greater indigenous nature of JF-17s, PAF wouldn't have been going back to CAC again and again for Block II and Block III. Its a limited manufacture in my view with CAC still doing the bulk of fancy work. Just like when you see at the back of the Iphone you'd read, "Designed in California, made in China" kind of thing.

 

[jupiter2007]

Their is no stealth version of JF-17 get out of your dreams

Don't make such statements unless you are a project lead for JF-17 designs.

 

[The Accountant]

Pakistan isn't even producing the full JF-17 as of now. Neither has the chunks of Money like Chinese,Europeans,Russian and US. Making planes doesn't come cheap.

I think here indigenousiation means control ... I completelyy agree that Pakistan cannot produce 5th generation airframe ram coating required sensor fusion .. However what pakistan can do is to have prime control over avionics weapon integration and sub system license production or selection ...

The idea comes from net centric environment required in current threats ...

Sir

Don't make such statements unless you are a project lead for JF-17 designs.

Actually he is right there is no stealth version of jf17 ...

 

[SBD-3]

I think here indigenousiation means control ... I completelyy agree that Pakistan cannot produce 5th generation airframe ram coating required sensor fusion .. However what pakistan can do is to have prime control over avionics weapon integration and sub system license production or selection ...

The idea comes from net centric environment required in current threats ...

Indigenous means indigenous, control means control. And control can be had on off-the shelf purchased items as well like Dutch are known for constantly tweaking/modifying/meddling with their F-16s. So are Israelis which actually go a step beyond by modifying their F-16s with domestic gear. But have you ever heard anyone of them calling F-16 as indigenous?
PAF has at most practiced with a fifth gen, never flew nor maintained one. Chinese have two/three real 5th Gen projects running. So what would PAF be able to contribute to a 5th Gen program other than some cash? I seriously can't think of anything else.

J-10s will not be inducted as they do not meet current PAF requirements. When J-20 & J-31 programs are fully inducted into the PLAAF, then they will be given to Pakistan. That will be between 5-10 years.

And JF-17s and F-16s do but J-10s don't? Seriously!

 

[wiseone2]

J-10s will not be inducted as they do not meet current PAF requirements. When J-20 & J-31 programs are fully inducted into the PLAAF, then they will be given to Pakistan. That will be between 5-10 years.

it is more like china is not giving you the j-10 or it is a piece of crap of an aircraft

Whatever PAF or PLAAF do is not of your concern so please get your *** out of here

i touched some nerves here

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

it is more like china is not giving you the j-10 or it is a piece of crap of an aircraft


i touched some nerves here

They've given us far more advanced and deadly weapons then these fighter jets so it's only a matter of time before they give us these 5th generation fighters. Quite elementary.You sound like this pre-May 1998 indians who used to say China WOULD NEVER EVER give Pakistan nuclear weapons technology. We all know what happened there. Just as then so is now

 

[Reichsmarschall]

i touched some nerves here

Don't derail this thread

 

[wiseone2]

They've given us far more advanced and deadly weapons then these fighter jets so it's only a matter of time before they give us these 5th generation fighters. Quite elementary.You sound like this pre-May 1998 indians who used to say China WOULD NEVER EVER give Pakistan nuclear weapons technology. We all know what happened there. Just as then so is now

China handed pakistan nuclear weapons technology in the 1980s