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Indigenization will be critical to Pakistan’s next-generation fighter ....

I am still waiting for PAF to induct J-10s or J-20s. I am waiting for PLAAF to induct JF-17s. The PLAAF operates several hundred J-7s which could be replaced by JF-17s

I suppose J7 is a pure bomber type of old era of heavy class meanwhile JF17 is a different platform so both are not interchangeable, J10 may be inducted however it is evident that J20 is Chinese specific and not suitable for Pak.
 
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I am still waiting for PAF to induct J-10s or J-20s. I am waiting for PLAAF to induct JF-17s. The PLAAF operates several hundred J-7s which could be replaced by JF-17s
Whatever PAF or PLAAF do is not of your concern so please get your *** out of here
 
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WHAT ON EARTH IS A 4.7 GEN FIGHTER :cheesy: :crazy:

A fighter very close to 5th gen but not fifth gen. This is jet with 5th gen layout but without internal weapons bay, instead use weapons pods to be stealthy.

Creating space for weapons bay while maintaining stealth is very hectic issue, specially maintaining stealth during weapons launch from weapons bay.
 
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A fighter very close to 5th gen but not fifth gen. This is jet with 5th gen layout but without internal weapons bay, instead use weapons pods to be stealthy.
you mean like Rafale right :azn:
 
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you mean like Tejas right :azn:
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you mean like Rafale right :azn:

Nope, Rafale without weapons is still quite visible as fighter jet to advance sensors, it's very good 4.5+ gen fighter but its not 4.7+ gen fighter due to non stealth shaping of body.
 
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HAD HEARD ABOUT 4th & 4.5 OR 4.5+ BUT BUT BUT ..................WHAT ON EARTH IS A 4.7 + GEN FIGHTER :cheesy: :crazy:
It was a mistake... Your nation is only able to point of such items .... Nothing else @Basel Can I plz request you to edit ur post for no further trolls..???
 
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We are concentrating on long term plans and ignoring present scenario. PAF is in dire need of heavy/medium class fighter of 4.5th gen at least on urgent basis to counter IAF SU30s and upgraded Mig 29s which sorry to say that our 74-76 F16 with 50+ JF17s can perform. The Mirages are reliable no more for deep strike missions as even at long ranges they have to face Indian SAMs and modern jets. The low flying mantra of Mirages has long gone as India has established a comprehensive radar network consisting low to high range coverage by relatively new radars. We require a fighter jet like Euro fighter which still has the ability to counter any capable air defense and sneak through with little chance of loses.

Our Mirages may be good for kami kazi style attacks even if they are able to reach enemy targets.
 
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It was a mistake... Your nation is only able to point of such items .... Nothing else @Basel Can I plz request you to edit ur post for no further trolls..???

I have responded to pics of stealthy JFT illustration, which is quite possible if PAF pursue it, because Pakistan and China already have MoU on it.
 
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why are you laughing ? o_O

do you know tejas has DIFGITAL 4 Channel FBW and something called RSS and DATALINK and has HMDS-(Israeli TAGRA-2) and HOBS-(Python-5) combo and already inttigrated with (EL-M2032 MMr radar -Derby & I Derby ER BVR )combo and in process to be integrated with EL-2052 GaN based 2nd gen AESA radar and a compact internal IRST while already beieng intigrated with best money can buy external Jamming PODS and LITENING G3-4 laser designation pod and paveway -2 all the techs with certain plain wants to intigrate in its block 3 version ... wonder what plane is that :azn :

Nope, Rafale without weapons is still quite visible as fighter jet to advance sensors, it's very good 4.5+ gen fighter but its not 4.7+ gen fighter due to non stealth shaping of body.
ahh so which plane has that kinds of tech cause to deflect radar waves you also need a very comlex mix of carbon and epoxy & glass fiber composties and not just diamond shaped shapings hope you get it ;)
 
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why are you laughing ? o_O

do you know tejas has DIFGITAL 4 Channel FBW and something called RSS and DATALINK and has HMDS-(Israeli TAGRA-2) and HOBS-(Python-5) combo and already inttigrated with (EL-M2032 MMr radar -Derby & I Derby ER BVR )combo and in process to be integrated with EL-2052 GaN based 2nd gen AESA radar and a compact internal IRST while already beieng intigrated with best money can buy external Jamming PODS and LITENING G3-4 laser designation pod and paveway -2 all the techs with certain plain wants to intigrate in its block 3 version ... wonder what plane is that :azn :


ahh so which plane has that kinds of tech cause to deflect radar waves you also need a very comlex mix of carbon and epoxy & glass fiber composties and not just diamond shaped shapings hope you get it ;)

Following are US planes with 4.7 Gen capabilities it's ahead of Rafale dear.


 
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Indigenization will be critical to Pakistan’s next-generation fighter


Defence and Diplomacy, a policy show hosted by retired Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Group Captain Sultan Hali, just released an excellent interview (in English) with the PAF’s Chief of Air Staff (CAS), Air Chief Marshal (ACM) Sohail Aman. Quite a bit was discussed, and that too on a whole range of issues, from the PAF to societal development and nation-building.

However, in terms of the PAF, ACM Sohail Aman was able to offer interesting details regarding success accrued from the JF-17 Thunder, the PAF’s plans for a next-generation fighter, the vision behind Kamra Aviation City, and the rationale of setting up the Airpower Centre for Excellence (ACE). This week, we will take a look at ACM Sohail Aman’s vision in regards to the development of a next-generation fighter.

Just as important as the acquisition of a next-generation fighter itself, the CAS definitively established the need to build a sufficiently capable indigenous base to source and support that fighter. The rationale is driven by the reality that a next-generation aircraft is dependent upon financial and political strings that not only inhibit the PAF from progressing in terms of its modernization needs, but also limit the country in terms of its independence. Breaking away from this dynamic is the principal objective of the current PAF leadership, and a set of objectives for 2030 have been put into motion.

If the JF-17 paved the groundwork for such goals, the next-generation fighter would essentially form the pillars of what would hopefully be – one day – a capable domestic aerospace industry. The PAF is hoping to use the development of a next-generation fighter as a means to master most of the core technology necessary to produce and support the fighter with the minimum of dependency on an external source.

The nucleus of this ambitious objective is Kamra Aviation City. Naturally, before the thought of even trying to absorb the necessary technology can come into play, the CAS has recognized the need to build the requisite intellectual capital and human resources capacity. Kamra Aviation City is being established in very close proximity to Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), and it will serve as a home for educational as well as research institutions designed to produce the skilled personnel necessary to work on in-sourcing the technology used on a next-generation fighter.

The physical infrastructure will be ready in three to five years, but the necessary level of capacity (especially in terms of skilled personnel) will come to fruition in 10-15 years. Kamra Aviation City will be home to institutes capable of producing masters and PhD-level aerospace and aeronautical development professionals. The PAF is collaborating with several friendly countries on the matter, but what that means in specific terms was not made known.

This is certainly an ambitious route. Let there be no doubt that the PAF will across a number of challenges, and it will certainly be tested by failure along the way. However, the success of what ACM Sohail Aman is describing is dependent upon persistence and a willingness to use failure as just as another milestone. In other words, binding the next-generation fighter program to indigenization will require the PAF – as well as the Army and Navy – to be patient and to not allow obstacles to bend the original objectives.

What this means for the next-generation fighter in terms of specifics is not known. At this time, it is not known to anyone whether the PAF would sign onto the Chinese FC-31 program, engage with Turkey, or take on a completely different route (of pushing for a new design). This is a matter of speculation at this point in time. However, in a previous interview, ACM Sohail Aman did state that the PAF was thinking in terms of “beyond” fifth-generation. In other words, the PAF is not going to support the development of something that is restricted to today’s air warfare environment, but that of the future.

It is possible that the parameters of the PAF’s next-generation fighter will begin to materialize in three to five years, i.e. around the time that Kamra Aviation City is complete. The two are co-dependent in that each aspect – i.e. the fighter and the research and development establishment – will drive one another in order to reach their respective objectives. Interesting times are certainly ahead
Let me give you a crux
MONEY will be critical for Pakistan's next gen fighter program.
MONEY will not be available anytime soon because of current stock being spent on paying back the outstanding loans of earlier induction.
So Pakistan's next gen fighter will be an off-shelf procurement.
 
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but how PAF will hand RAFALE threat
that's is the question
indigenization is long term strategy
 
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Let me give you a crux
MONEY will be critical for Pakistan's next gen fighter program.
MONEY will not be available anytime soon because of current stock being spent on paying back the outstanding loans of earlier induction.
So Pakistan's next gen fighter will be an off-shelf procurement.
you ailed it sirji .... money is the key :coffee:
 
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you ailed it sirji .... money is the key :coffee:
Sometimes I really wish these thread openers start donating some money to PAF with the same zeal as the open such threads with all their fancy interpretations. Military budget is largely taken up by the Army, PAF always gets less than what they should, PN usually gets the leftovers.

Following are US planes with 4.7 Gen capabilities it's ahead of Rafale dear.


If PAF could buy F-15SE, they could have certainly bought the F-16s that they had to scrap because of lack of funds.

I suppose J7 is a pure bomber type of old era of heavy class meanwhile JF17 is a different platform so both are not interchangeable, J10 may be inducted however it is evident that J20 is Chinese specific and not suitable for Pak.
J-7 is the Mig-21 which wasn't a bomber but an airsuperiority platform. PAF to date uses her F-7 in interception/air superiority roles. The precision strike capability was lacking until the most recently introduced F-7BGs (Bangladesh)
 
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