Indigenization will be critical to Pakistan’s next-generation fighter ....

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Indigenous means indigenous, control means control. And control can be had on off-the shelf purchased items as well like Dutch are known for constantly tweaking/modifying/meddling with their F-16s. So are Israelis which actually go a step beyond by modifying their F-16s with domestic gear. But have you ever heard anyone of them calling F-16 as indigenous?
PAF has at most practiced with a fifth gen, never flew nor maintained one. Chinese have two/three real 5th Gen projects running. So what would PAF be able to contribute to a 5th Gen program other than some cash? I seriously can't think of anything else.


And JF-17s and F-16s do but J-10s don't? Seriously!

Why pay for J-10s when there is a massive offer of high-tech 5th generation fighters in the next few.years.

 

[royalharris]

Why pay for J-10s when there is a massive offer of high-tech 5th generation fighters in the next few.years.

i don't think picking j10 is a bad selection.
the TCO of the 5th G airfigter is very high , it is not just the fighter price, it is especially high with the maintenance. this is why every country select the combination of 4th G and 5th G.
USA:combination of F15/F16, F35/F22;
China:J10\J11\J16\J20

personal opinion, for the combination of 4th and 5th， high and low，each one do its job, j10 is a good choice

 

[The Accountant]

Indigenous means indigenous, control means control. And control can be had on off-the shelf purchased items as well like Dutch are known for constantly tweaking/modifying/meddling with their F-16s. So are Israelis which actually go a step beyond by modifying their F-16s with domestic gear. But have you ever heard anyone of them calling F-16 as indigenous?
PAF has at most practiced with a fifth gen, never flew nor maintained one. Chinese have two/three real 5th Gen projects running. So what would PAF be able to contribute to a 5th Gen program other than some cash? I seriously can't think of anything else.


And JF-17s and F-16s do but J-10s don't? Seriously!

Sir thats what i mean ...

We want control of our wepon system like jf17 ... Jf17 is also not indigenous but designed all around pak's requirement and as a result we have a very capable network centric platform at very low cost ...

The issue is with term indigenisation ... People quoting indigenization are targeting level of indeginization in jf17

Have you noticed that chinese are designing the aircraft for us but even we arr capable to evaluate different radar options ... Its avioncs instructions program was written by pakis so we can integrate any weapon ir sub system we want ...

In my opinion given our resources this is the best approach and chinese are really helping us alot ...

 

[YeBeWarned]

PAF will wait for J-31 to get mature .. JF will get some decent Upgrades over time , not to forget the blk 3 will be delay for sure ..PAF will keep looking for block 10/15/40 F-16's from EU or Jordan .. and to counter IAF , let them first Induct Rafale by then there will be some sort of counter strategy .

 

[Reichsmarschall]

China handed pakistan nuclear weapons technology in the 1980s

Can you remember the Chest thumping of Indian minister how they were threatening a nuclear war and one of your minister said that its time Pakistan should hand over india AJK, while other were saying that with or without china Pakistan can never be a Nuclear Power

China handed pakistan nuclear weapons technology in the 1980s

Can you remember the Chest thumping of Indian minister how they were threatening a nuclear war and one of your minister said that its time Pakistan should hand over india AJK, while other were saying that with or without china Pakistan can never be a Nuclear Power

 

[Ultima Thule]

Don't make such statements unless you are a project lead for JF-17 designs.

you are also not in the design team, PAF clearly stated in the past that their no stealth version of JF-17, blk-4 will be in the class of F-16 blk-60 ask the senior members on PDF like @Oscar, @Bilal Khan 777, @waz, @Dazzler and others

 

[royalharris]

PAF will wait for J-31 to get mature .. JF will get some decent Upgrades over time , not to forget the blk 3 will be delay for sure ..PAF will keep looking for block 10/15/40 F-16's from EU or Jordan .. and to counter IAF , let them first Induct Rafale by then there will be some sort of counter strategy .

there way:
1、upgrade JF17， get J31 in future.
if you are interested with TFX, it is ok. after evaluating, if it is worthy, invest a little. you can buy some experience with the money you invest.
I hope TFX will be succes, but to be honest, it is just a dream with very little possibility to come true. don't wish the west truely help you, if they have the ability or there are possibility for TFX come true, they will do it by themself, just like typoon.
For BAE, it is just a good bussiness, whether TFX succed or not, they are payed.
Remember, focus on J31, it will benefit you a lot

2、buy j10， get j31 in future
j10 will be more powerful than jf17, serves the purpose of F16

3、get old F16 from other country
the worst choice,just like quenching a thirst with poison

 

[Basel]

you are also not in the design team, PAF clearly stated in the past that their no stealth version of JF-17, blk-4 will be in the class of F-16 blk-60 ask the senior members on PDF like @Oscar, @Bilal Khan 777, @waz, @Dazzler and others

Yes, JFT can't be 5th gen fighter, but you should remember that Pakistan and China have signed MoU for making Stealthily version of JFT, and PAF can pursue it if they feel it's required

 

[SBD-3]

Why pay for J-10s when there is a massive offer of high-tech 5th generation fighters in the next few.years.

That massive high tech fighter is still a prototype whereas J-10's upgraded version has qualified for PLAAF's service. Not to mention the money in question.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

i don't think picking j10 is a bad selection.
the TCO of the 5th G airfigter is very high , it is not just the fighter price, it is especially high with the maintenance. this is why every country select the combination of 4th G and 5th G.
USA:combination of F15/F16, F35/F22;
China:J10\J11\J16\J20

personal opinion, for the combination of 4th and 5th， high and low，each one do its job, j10 is a good choice

Good point.

 

[wiseone2]

Can you remember the Chest thumping of Indian minister how they were threatening a nuclear war and one of your minister said that its time Pakistan should hand over india AJK, while other were saying that with or without china Pakistan can never be a Nuclear Power


Can you remember the Chest thumping of Indian minister how they were threatening a nuclear war and one of your minister said that its time Pakistan should hand over india AJK, while other were saying that with or without china Pakistan can never be a Nuclear Power

If you are goaded by chest thumping Indian politicians that is your problem

 

[Reichsmarschall]

If you are goaded by chest thumping Indian politicians that is your problem

Your ministers and Politicians represent your nation

 

[Ultima Thule]

Yes, JFT can't be 5th gen fighter, but you should remember that Pakistan and China have signed MoU for making Stealthily version of JFT, and PAF can pursue it if they feel it's required

you are contradicting yourself sir, if their MOU than it will be not related to JF-17 because it will be structurally and mechanically different from JF-17 thus it is no more JF-17 but JF-19 or something

 

[wiseone2]

If you are goaded by chest thumping Indian politicians that is your problem

Fair enough

 

[Basel]

you are contradicting yourself sir, if their MOU than it will be not related to JF-17 because it will be structurally and mechanically different from JF-17 thus it is no more JF-17 but JF-19 or something

If F-15 can become Silent Eagle then JFT can evolve into stealthy one.