India's Intel team returns home after US snub

[deckingraj]

Translation: We went all the way over there but the Americans wouldn't let us talk to them, so we will try to bring them to India instead.

You seems to be a smart man...Some of your post are really meaningful but lets not spin things just to make fun of the situation.... Why we could not talk is still not clear.....there is nothing like they would not allow...after all we went there on some assurance....you cant expect indian babus to be that naive..do you??? Now why actually we did not get the access...well may be it is communication issue..US law...or actually US did not want to give us the access...Just dont pick one of many possible reasons for satisfying your anti-india bias...

India is in no position to 'demand' anything. You are only digging yourself in deeper....

I don't know what made you say this but if you look around most of the deals that have been made by US all the indian demands have been well taken care of...and do you know why??? bacuase Indian market is big enough pie to be ignored and there are many contendors around...So your assertion that India is in no position to demand anything is flawed...

Anyways lets save that discussion for some appropriate thread..I have cleared my stand in the above post

 

[deckingraj]

India to seek Headley's extradition, probes 26/11 link
NDTV Correspondent, Thursday November 12, 2009, New Delhi

India will seek Lashkar terror suspect David Headley's extradition, even as investigators explore just what links, if any, Headley and his associate Tahawwur Hussain Rana had with the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai, sources have told NDTV.

They said Rana was in Mumbai in November 2008 and left the city just five days before 26/11. Investigators are examining which hotel Rana stayed at, including checking if it was the Taj hotel. They are also looking into calls Rana made to Pakistan from Mumbai.

Evidence about Rana would now be shown to Ajmal Kasab, the lone terrorist captured during the 26/11 terror strikes.

The sources said India would also seek the extradition of American national David Headley.

Headley not only visited India several times between 2006 and 2009, but was also in Mumbai once after the 26/11 attacks. Among places that he visited was Agra and the Taj Mahal.

"It is true that David Headley visited several times before 26/11 and once after 26/11, and we are investigating," Home Minister P Chidambaram said on Thursday. He added that India's National Investigation agency had registered a case against both Headley and his associate Rana.

A top-level FBI team is, meanwhile, coming to India on November 18 to track Headley's movements in India between 2006 and 2009.

A Chicago court has given 60 days time to the FBI to file an indictment against Headley. The FBI requested the court to give it more time to complete investigation and file the indictment arguing that on October 18, federal agents executed four search warrants at four separate locations, and among other items of evidence, seized a number of computers.

Chief Judge James F Holderman has extended till January 1, 2010, the date of filing indictment for the national, who was arrested along with Canadian citizen of Pakistani-origin Tahawwur Hussain Rana by the FBI on charges of plotting terror attacks in India at the behest of the Lashkar.

The visiting FBI team will also discuss several other issues with Indian officials. The team's visit comes just ahead of the first anniversary of the 26/11 Mumbai attacks.

India to seek Headley's extradition, probes 26/11 link

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Boy this is getting more and more exciting...Who knows what this investigation will bring out...Surely will put more pressure for Pak on LET front

 

[Screaming Skull]

Now thats where the confusion is...There are two many theories...based on them here is my stand..

a) We went there with the objective of interrogating and could not then it indeed is a little humiliating(no matter if it was US law or anything...Those things should have been sorted out before calling the shots)

b) We went there with the sole objective of gaining more information from US authorities...then the blame goes to media for overcooking the story which ended up being looked as a humiliation for GOI

I will rest my case...better wait for more news than to speculate...

Well I appreciate your point of view. Maybe it was humiliating for the Indian intelligence team. But, if that is the price we must pay to save precious Indian lives then so be it. Remember, the US is not obliged to provide any assistance to us. They did a big favor to us by busting the plot and arresting the TERRORISTS before any catastrophe could befall our country. They continue to cooperate with us by sharing the details of the plots and all relevant info. We must appreciate them for that.

Intelligence men are not different from other govt. officials in the sense that they too are public servants and it is their duty to ensure the safety of their country men. Things needn’t always go as per the script. Setbacks are natural when you are dealing with multiple authorities of multiple countries. But, the important thing is to keep the goal in mind and work diligently towards achieving it. If the gravity of the situation demands that these TERRORISTS must be questioned by our men then they should keep pestering the US authorities for access to these TERRORISTS – keep knocking on their doors till they budge. If it is absolutely impossible to question the TERRORISTS personally, then answers to the questions must be sought indirectly through the FBI or other American investigative agencies.

The official said India would send another team of intelligence officers once the Chicago court confirmed Headley’s detention by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

“Once the court confirms the detention, investigators from other countries concerned including India would be able to seek his interrogation,” the official said.

The first joint team of the Intelligence Bureau and the Research and Analysis Wing, that spent a week in the US, has returned with some answers. “Since the Indian team could not have interrogated him directly, the team did seek the FBI’s cooperation and handed over some questions to which India wanted the answers,” the officials said.

The FBI had put the questions to Headley and his associate, Tahawwur Hussain Rana and communicated the responses to the visiting Indian team.

50 teams of sleuths hot on Headley chase- Hindustan Times

 

[deckingraj]

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Can't agree more on this...Humiliation or no humiliation just keep doing whatever you can to safegaurd indian lives and her interests...


Here is more related news...

India has tightened visa approval norms for Pakistan-born US citizens by making it mandatory for such applications to be cleared by New Delhi and is also mulling similar action on American nationals born in China, Afghanistan and Iran.

The step comes in the wake of the FBI foiling a LeT plot to use Chicago resident David Coleman Headley to target Indian facilities.

Union Home Secretary G K Pillai had recently issued instructions saying all applications for Indian visa from Pakistani-born US nationals would be processed and cleared by New Delhi instead of its missions in America.

In New Delhi, Home Ministry officials said similar action is likely to be taken on American citizens born in countries like China, Afghanistan and Iran.

The measure has been taken in view of the unearthing of the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) plot, in which the Pakistan-based terror group was planning to use Pakistan-born Headley, 49, to launch major terror attacks in India.

FBI investigations have revealed that the National Defence College in Delhi, five star hotels in key tourists locations were among the LeT targets.

American citizens have been having easy access to Indian visa because of the good relationship between the two countries. Besides, Indian embassy in Washington, its consulates in New York, Houston, Chicago and San Francisco issue Indian visas.

All the Indian missions in the US have now been directed to adhere to the new instructions in this regard from New Delhi. Around eight lakh Americans visit India every year.


India to clear Pak-born American's visa

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I am glad GOI is not taking this issue lightly... Eagerly waiting for the results of the FBI investigations and the day when India investigators will get their hands on this guy...

 

[Developereo]

Read my previous post again...that clearly states " the National Investigating Agency (NIA) has registered a case against suspected terrorist Headley and Rana to probe their role in various terror strikes in the country including the 26/11 Mumbai attack " based on the evidence provided by FBI and indian's own investigation and thats why they are asking the duo's extradition.

It's the Indian spin to put a good face on a snub. Let me paraphrase the likely conversation between India and the FBI:

Indians: We demand to interview the suspects.
FBI: Yawn. Nothing doing. You have no authority or jurisdiction here. If you want to interrogate them, go back to India and file a proper extradition request, which will be duly processed by our legal system. Until then, ta ta.

you cant expect indian babus to be that naive..do you???

It's not a question of naivete but arrogance. The Indians expected that they would be given the royal treatment and get everything they want in line with the current Western courtship of India. It didn't happen that way and they returned home to do it the hard way.

I don't know what made you say this but if you look around most of the deals that have been made by US all the indian demands have been well taken care of...and do you know why??? bacuase Indian market is big enough pie to be ignored and there are many contendors around.

That is a debatable point. My contention is that the West is grooming India to be a counterbalance to China, whom they consider their real rival in this century. But that's a discussion for another time and place.

 

[Spring Onion]

India to seek Headley's extradition, probes 26/11 link

And US will extradit him

Boy this is getting more and more exciting...Who knows what this investigation will bring out...Surely will put more pressure for Pak on LET front

Yup more intresting and exciting just like Indian BS dramas


here is another exciting twist


Indian famous man's son has links with "LeT" men

The mysterious Rahul, whose name was mentioned extensively in LeT operative David Coleman Headley’s e-mails to handlers in Pakistan, has finally

been identified. It’s neither Shah Rukh Khan nor Rahul Gandhi, but the son of famous filmmaker Mahesh Bhatt. But Rahul Bhatt, 25, a fitness instructor and a body builder, is not on the LeT hitlist. He is a friend of Headley. The latter was arrested by the FBI in Chicago last month for plotting major terror attacks in India and Denmark. ( Watch Video )

Investigating agencies, who have already questioned Rahul, have almost given him a clean chit, saying he appears to be innocent.

An officer privy to the investigations said, “He has admitted to being friends with Headley. But, in all probability, he didn’t know Headley’s actual background and took him to be a foreign national in India on a job. That was exactly the guise Headley had been living under in India between 2006 and 2009.”

It has also come to light that it was Rahul who helped Headley rent a flat near Breach Candy hospital. The two met at a gym which Rahul frequented.

Rahul, at that time, was supposed to be launched in a film, Suicide Bomber, under his family banner Vishesh Films, based on the London bombings. The project was eventually scrapped.

Headley, a US citizen of Pakistani origin who had been arrested by US’s Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) on October 18 with a Canadian citizen of Pakistani origin Tahawwur Rana, at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport, had told FBI interrogators that Rahul was a prominent Indian actor. Headley had been arrested on the information that he was planning terror attacks in Denmark and India.

The two men became friends and when Headley said he was looking to rent a flat, Rahul even helped him get one near Breach Candy through a property broker. All this while, say investigators, Rahul was not aware that Headley had LeT links.

During his stay in Mumbai, Headley was ostensibly functioning as a consultant for an immigration firm in Tardeo. That was, possibly, the only identity that Rahul knew of Headley. Earlier, there were theories among intelligence agencies that Rahul could be a code word either for Shah Rukh Khan, who has played several character by that name, or even a place that could have been a terror target.

When contacted, Rahul’s father Mahesh Bhatt neither confirmed nor denied that his son had been questioned by the police in connection with the Headley case. He simply said, “This is an issue of national security and not something trivial related to Bollywood. Ask agencies that deal with national security. I will not say anything more.”

All efforts to reach Rahul failed as his phone was switched off. Text messages sent to him did not elicit any reply till the time of going to press.

Investigators also suspect that Headley may be holding dual passports of US and Pakistan (as Pakistan allows it) and thus escaped the scrutiny of immigration officials as he may have travelled to Pakistan using his Pak passport while to India using his US passport.

In a few e-mail conversations with an LeT operative, Headley has mentioned Rahul several times. The FBI affidavit notes: In an e-mail on July 2009, Headley told Lashkar-e-Taiba Member A that “I think when we get a chance we should revisit our last location again and say hi to Rahul.”

A reply from LeT Member A on the same day read: “To see Rahul is a good idea coz have some work for you over there too. Matters are good enough to move forward...”

On July 9, Headley writes again: “When you say ‘move forward’, do you mean in the north direction or towards Rahul...” To this Member A replies: “Towards Rahul.”

On July 10, Headley writes another mail to Member A: “The visit to Rahul’s place, is it for checking real estate property like before, or something different and if so please tell what you can please. Also is it in Rahul’s city or different one?” To this Member A replied: “There are some investment plans with me, not exactly at Rahul’s city but near that. Rest we can decide when meet according to your ease.”



Investigators zero in on US-based LeT man's mysterious 'Rahul' - India - The Times of India

 

[deckingraj]

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Jana...sometimes i get a little confused that what's your actual aim of posting.. Is it to seek pleasure in portraying India bad or meaningful discussion??? In other words are you making fun of TOI or refuting my quotes

Boy this is getting more and more exciting...Who knows what this investigation will bring out...Surely will put more pressure for Pak on LET front

Anyways...let me reply....So above one is news but rest other is BS??? Well you can have your own opinion but do you agree if proven this guy has LET links and was planning more terrorist attacks this will put more pressure on PAK to act against LET or not??? What difference it makes if he be-friend any indian or not...Also how can you ignore this line which is highlighted by you...

All this while, say investigators, Rahul was not aware that Headley had LeT links.

 

[deckingraj]

It's the Indian spin to put a good face on a snub. Let me paraphrase the likely conversation between India and the FBI:

Indians: We demand to interview the suspects.
FBI: Yawn. Nothing doing. You have no authority or jurisdiction here. If you want to interrogate them, go back to India and file a proper extradition request, which will be duly processed by our legal system. Until then, ta ta.

Again if it is matter of feel good factor then i have no objections..You are entitled to your own view...but for a meaningful discussion don't just assume things.. there are many possible reasons and you are picking just one of them to satisfy you...

It's not a question of naivete but arrogance. The Indians expected that they would be given the royal treatment and get everything they want in line with the current Western courtship of India. It didn't happen that way and they returned home to do it the hard way.

How can that be arrogance??? Are you saying that Indias are thinking they are the world master and can arm wrestle US??? This finding is of grave importance to our national security and they are trying whatever they can to get their hands on this guy...I have already cleared my stand in the previous post about what i think for the whole incident...

That is a debatable point. My contention is that the West is grooming India to be a counterbalance to China, whom they consider their real rival in this century. But that's a discussion for another time and place.

Can i say the same about Pakistan? China is grooming you to be used against India??? I don't think so(However it is one of the many other reasons..) and yes we can debate about it some other time and place...However do not just write sensational lines that have nothing to do with this topic especially when we both are least interesting in discussing them here....

 

[deckingraj]

Duplicate Post - self delete

 

[manojb]

US does not want to share all info to Indian and Pak intelligence. they have shared some info to both countries, in order to get more info back. Now we have two Pak citizens in custody of US and one in India (ajmal kasab). One caught in action and other caught in cospiring act. Kasab is small fish, rag tag foot soldiers. But US has caught a big fish. And ex-pak army guy, with possible connection to ISI and LeT. He is dream catch for spy agencies. But US may not give free access to India( to interrogate Headley). unless there is solid evidence to 26/11 incident, as this may complicate US-Pak relations.

Big question ...Did Headley guide 26/11 attackers?: Rediff.com India News

 

[deckingraj]

Headley, Rana were in Pakistan during 26/11

When India was countering its worst-ever terror attack in Mumbai on 26/11 last year, David Coleman Headley and Tawwahur Rana were in Pakistan, reveal intelligence sources to NDTV.
Headley, a US citizen, and Rana, a Pakistani-born Canadian, were arrested last month by the FBI for allegedly planning terror attacks against India. Since then, India has been trying to trace what appears to be a trail of terror that the two men were laying in India for a new and gigantic offensive.

Records show that Rana left Mumbai one week before 26/11. Headley also visited Mumbai on the nine trips he made to India between 2006 and 2009. The cities that the two men travelled to include Delhi, Mumbai, Pune, Lucknow, Agra, Kochi, Surat, Ahmedabad.

More than 20 teams have been formed to investigate the case. India has also asked Canada to share information on Rana.

Emails intercepted by the FBI show that Headley was in regular touch with top terrorists of the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT).

India's nuclear plants have been put on high-alert. That's partly as a result of the investigations in the Headley-Rana case. A spy arrested over the weekend at the Delhi airport was carrying documents and photographs on the Narora Atomic Plant in Uttar Pradesh.



Headley, Rana were in Pakistan during 26/11


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Well if one considers the investigations getting unfold one can contemplate that sooner or later it will proove beyond doubt about this guy role in 26/11 or future strikes in India and involvement with LET...Now what would be interesting it to see if this is going to add more arsenal in India's diplomatic offense agains Pakistan and her role in restricting the influence of LET..

 

[deckingraj]

Well as suspected

The Hindu : News / National : Headley-Rana hand seen in 26/11 conspiracy

 

[Developereo]

I am becoming more and more skeptical of this whole affair.

Looks like the Indians (at the FBI's suggestion, no doubt) are cooking up a fake case to nab these 'suspects'.

Let me get this straight. They want to carry out attacks in India (and elsewhere) and want to use Pakistani accomplices, but they carry out their planning in the US, where the law enforcement infrastructure is 100 times more advanced than in India or Pakistan.

Sounds like a made up case.

 

[Goodperson]

I am becoming more and more skeptical of this whole affair.

Looks like the Indians (at the FBI's suggestion, no doubt) are cooking up a fake case to nab these 'suspects'.

Let me get this straight. They want to carry out attacks in India (and elsewhere) and want to use Pakistani accomplices, but they carry out their planning in the US, where the law enforcement infrastructure is 100 times more advanced than in India or Pakistan.

Sounds like a made up case.

When Indian coordinated with FBI the suspects were in their custody interrogation was very much possible and easy.
By the time Indian officials visited US the suspects were transferred to Judicial custody which requires sufficient justification to convince the judges which was not possible in short time. The judge refused interrogation permission not FBI.

 

[deckingraj]

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May be you are not aware that this forum don't allow any BS....Just to let you know i have reported your post