India's Intel team returns home after US snub

[Goodperson]

@GoodPerson



Sir..What i am not understanding is that how come there is no objection to it from GOI side?? I mean we need access to that guy to find out more about 26/11 like attacks or what role this guy played in 26/11 itself...

The way i look at is that just to avoid further escalations of tension which further will effect their interests in Afghanistan US is risking Indian lives...Am i taking it too far or there is some truth in what i say???

My response was for Developereo's post he probably finds humor in fact that the uppity Indians got put in their place and returned empty handed without questioning terrorist with links to Pakistan.

US cares less about Indians on 26/11 than its troops locked in Afghanistan it needs support of Pakistan to clear the mess.

 

[Khajur]

Its most likely we didnt get the chance to interrogate only for this point of time.Indian Express said its caused due to some" procedural delay" with US legal system.The case is being heard in a US court.

Anyways its not possible that we sent our team there without their prior permission.

we can interrogate these guys at some point of time in future depending on things play out in their court and what charges they face.

 

[Khajur]

edited: double post

 

[Developereo]

Relax, guys.
I was amused more by TOIs spin than by the event itself.
If these guys were planning to harm Indians then, of course, Indians should have been allowed to interview them.

 

[deckingraj]

My response was for Developereo's post he probably finds humor in fact that the uppity Indians got put in their place and returned empty handed without questioning terrorist with links to Pakistan.

Ohh ok...I dont think we should worry about people finding humour in this...Thats a typical nature of masses to find humour in every small thing happening to your adversary and completely overlook yours..those who don't fall for the obvious are called intellectuals...

US cares less about Indians on 26/11 than its troops locked in Afghanistan it needs support of Pakistan to clear the mess.

I agree...

 

[deckingraj]

@Developereo

Relax, guys.
I was amused more by TOIs spin than by the event itself.
If these guys were planning to harm Indians then, of course, Indians should have been allowed to interview them.

The Indian humiliation must have been far worse than the TOI admitted. The tone of the article and the pathetic attempt to salvage their pride by alluding to 'suspicions' in the 'spooks community' (who writes this stuff? 12 year olds?) is priceless!

You are entitled for your views and thanks for the clarification..However above bolded line sounds contrary to your claim

 

[deckingraj]

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can any member suggest me how to delete your duplicate message..I have to edit it and end up writing "self-delete" all the time

 

[Developereo]

You are entitled for your views and thanks for the clarification..However above bolded line sounds contrary to your claim

Well, it's a bit of both but mostly about watching TOI squirm.

I get the same enjoyment by watching Fox News trying to negatively spin a positive story about Obama, etc.

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can any member suggest me how to delete your duplicate message..I have to edit it and end up writing "self-delete" all the time

Click EDIT at the bottom right corner of your post, then click Delete button.

 

[deckingraj]

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Thanks..though i don't see any delete button .. May be it has to do with permissions against the role...

 

[Skywalker]

You have missed the most important para.






Let me give you another hindi mohavara

musibat k wakt gadhe ko baapp banana padta hai

Well you already have around million fathers (monkey, cow, snake etc etc), I guess this the only one left so be it.

 

[boxer_B]

So what??? Does it matter whose mistake it is??? Our investigation team went from India publically announcing they will interrogate the terrorists...For a week stayed in US cooling their heals and return back empty handed...Now whatever was the reason this is nothing but humiliation..Now is it the end of world...of course not...We need to rectify the mistake and ensure it should not happen again..

LOL, Did USofA asked them to announce publically and make fool out of themselves? What's the use of interrogation when suspects are not in Indian custody anyway? And even if Indian Intel team was allowed to Interrogate, would uncle sam allow us to manhandle them for spitting out truth?

How many times terrorists used american soil to launch attack on India? We have many nutcases in neighborhood, better concentrate there instead of searching Needle in the Hay.

So what..I am not asking why they did not allow...Does the reasoning make it no longer a humiliation??? why the heck we went there ...We should have confirmed with them...and if what you are saying is correct then its a wake up call for Indians...US wont mind risking Indian lives for their interests..

That's correct, USofA wouldn't mind risking Indian lives for its interests. But how many lives did we saved in 26/11 after USofA tipped us off three times regarding attack?

How it is related to INdian investigation team humiliation... Also we are not risking US lives by maintaining good relations with Iran...

I was quoting nations working towards their interests. And we have many terrorist camps functional and running few KMs from LoC. Aren't they risk to our lives? Its nearly impossible to conspire a terrorist attack from USofA against any country.

Yes and that's what countries who want good relations do..Don't meddle in each other affairs...They are not doing any favor to India...its all give and take...

Yes, but harm in busting a speculated ISI agent link with LeT outweighs its benefits for US. India would have left no news agency in the world void of this discovery and it would have affected not only WoT but also geo-politics of world. How would rest of the first- world agree on pakistan's partnership in WoT?

 

[deckingraj]

Hang on a second...I am debating about weather this move is humiliating for us or not..Thats the only thing...Assuming we are non same page let me resposnd back

LOL, Did USofA asked them to announce publically and make fool out of themselves?

It seems we did get assurance in india that our investigation team will be allowed to interrogate the suspect

What's the use of interrogation when suspects are not in Indian custody anyway? And even if Indian Intel team was allowed to Interrogate, would uncle sam allow us to manhandle them for spitting out truth?
How many times terrorists used american soil to launch attack on India? We have many nutcases in neighborhood, better concentrate there instead of searching Needle in the Hay.

What are you talking about dude??? The same guy has visited india multiple times...you would like to interrogate the guy to unfold any potential attacks...where does the questions of attacks from american soil came into picture??

That's correct, USofA wouldn't mind risking Indian lives for its interests. But how many lives did we saved in 26/11 after USofA tipped us off three times regarding attack?

Does that mean we should ignore this development and say because we could not save lives during 26/11 so whats the point of even finding out what the guy was upto..Let them come and kill more indians we will send our commandos to kill them...Don't want to sound rude but does the above line have any sense in it???

I was quoting nations working towards their interests. And we have many terrorist camps functional and running few KMs from LoC. Aren't they risk to our lives?

Yes they are risk to our lives... So what do you want to imply??

Its nearly impossible to conspire a terrorist attack from USofA against any country.

Really??? And your basis for such an intelligent assumption... The guy visited pakistan..india multiple times...Now how do you know what he was upto...Is he a planner..or supporting the cause by money..or some expert to find you details of how and when..or the action man...how do you know??

Yes, but harm in busting a speculated ISI agent link with LeT outweighs its benefits for US. India would have left no news agency in the world void of this discovery and it would have affected not only WoT but also geo-politics of world. How would rest of the first- world agree on pakistan's partnership in WoT?

Exactly...but where did i argue about why they did not gave us access... All i am saying is this is humiliation because before starting from India we were told we will get access and by the time our investigators reached there they were made to wait for a week and finally returned empty handed...Now if this is not humiliation then what is???

 

[boxer_B]

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IB, RAW officials return without quizzing Headley - Express India

Washington A team of Indian intelligence officials left the US disappointed after a week-long stay in Washington as they could not question American national David Coleman Headley, arrested by the FBI on charges of plotting a major terror attack in India at the behest of Pakistan-based LeT.

Sources familiar with the visit of the Intelligence Bureau (IB) and Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) officials termed "bureaucratic" and "procedural" hurdles as the main reason for them not being successful in interrogation of Headley, who is now lodged in a Chicago jail.

49-year-old Headley, according to the FBI charge sheet, was being used by the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) to target among others the National Defence College in New Delhi, the Doon school in Dehradun and Woodstock school in Mussoorie.

The Indian team, names of its members have not been revealed to the media so far, arrived in Washington on November 1 and was scheduled to grill Headley the next day.

However, the Indian team is believed to have spent most of their time in Washington and they could not make their planned trip to Chicago - where Headley and his co-conspirator Tahawwur Hussain Rana are lodged in a jail - to interrogate the duo, both Chicago-residents.

The team left for India through New York on November 8.

In Washington, officials familiar with the investigations said that the Indian officials had a series of meetings with their FBI counterparts during which the American intelligence officials shared their investigation and interrogation details with them.

However, the Indian team wanted to question Headley on different aspects of the terror plot. The officials were disappointed that they were not able to interrogate either of the two arrested, given that this was the prime objective of their trip, the sources said.

Post 26/11 there has been close cooperation between the Indian and American intelligence agencies.

Another source said that the reluctance on the part of the FBI to let a foreign intelligence agency interrogate one of the terror suspects under its custody was because its own investigation had not been completed.

The Indian team is expected to return to the US soon to question Headley, the sources said.

Headley was arrested on October 18 along with Rana, a Canadian citizen of Pakistani origin, by FBI at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport before boarding a flight to Philadelphia, intending to travel to Pakistan

 

[deckingraj]

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Buddy next time please apart from putting in the article add your comments as well...Now i am not sure if you agree with me or disagree so have to make assumptions... You have bolded these two parts...

Sources familiar with the visit of the Intelligence Bureau (IB) and Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) officials termed "bureaucratic" and "procedural" hurdles as the main reason for them not being successful in interrogation of Headley, who is now lodged in a Chicago jail.

Another source said that the reluctance on the part of the FBI to let a foreign intelligence agency interrogate one of the terror suspects under its custody was because its own investigation had not been completed.

The Indian team is expected to return to the US soon to question Headley, the sources said.

These all are just speculations... Nothing official about them...However how does it makes difference to the fact that it was humiliating for our investigators to go to US and come back empty handed...

 

[boxer_B]

Hang on a second...I am debating about weather this move is humiliating for us or not..

No

It seems we did get assurance in india that our investigation team will be allowed to interrogate the suspect

Headely is accused of conspiring terror attacks in India. Interrogation nod maybe given ahead by FBI but their local court may have rejected the plea until he is proven guilty unlike kasab who is caught red-handed

That's why i bold-ed this part.

Another source said that the reluctance on the part of the FBI to let a foreign intelligence agency interrogate one of the terror suspects under its custody was because its own investigation had not been completed.

This development may have taken place while Indian Intel team was leaving for US or when they are in US itself as they were rushed after his apprehension.

Does that mean we should ignore this development and say because we could not save lives during 26/11 so whats the point of even finding out what the guy was upto..Let them come and kill more indians we will send our commandos to kill them...Don't want to sound rude but does the above line have any sense in it???

Yes they are risk to our lives... So what do you want to imply??

The point here is that it's not an imminent threat anymore and terrorist attack was averted as they are in custody.

Really??? And your basis for such an intelligent assumption... The guy visited pakistan..india multiple times...Now how do you know what he was upto...Is he a planner..or supporting the cause by money..or some expert to find you details of how and when..or the action man...how do you know??

The questions you are asking can be cleared after case conclusion but nevertheless, he appears to be handler or snitch send to take survey of sites. That can be the sole objective to send a canadian or american citizen. OTOH, i dont think he is a foot soldier.

Headely was arguably supported by GoP/ISI for attacks and he couldn't make it. Isn't that proof enough?