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you are going personal so typical of BJP fans now a days they have only when excuse when heat is on to label the other one and go personal
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Threads on Modi from [MENTION=148509][Bregs][/MENTION], all of these in just one and half months. Talk about being obsessed, are you so scared dude?
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...fire-pre-2014-salvo-www-pheku.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...-goa-cm-manohar-parrikar-says.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...dra-modis-rally-muzaffarnagar.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...s-skull-cap-modi-rally-jaipur.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...rendra-modi-blessing-congress.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...joshi-oppose-narendra-modi-pm.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...ed-but-advani-wont-budge-modi.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...arat-model-exclusive-not-best.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...dra-modis-lies-website-phenku.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...an-t-even-unite-his-own-party.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...l-might-not-work-across-india.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...tea-vendor-can-upwadly-mobile.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...dra-modi-will-never-become-pm.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...di-silent-about-muzaffarnagar.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...-narendra-modi-prime-minister.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...minister-narendra-modi-s-lose.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...rics-seek-support-modis-rally.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...tions-muslims-say-no-modi-bjp.html?highlight=
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...arendra-modi-cannot-become-pm.html?highlight=
2 more threads were merged with this one--
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...tion-2014-updates-discussions.html?highlight=
That is a lot of anti-Modi threads.
Question for [Bregs], why is it that you seem afraid of Modi?
What specifically do you think will happen to India if Modi becomes the Prime Minister, apart from an economic resurgence? Any specific policies you are worried about?
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Narendra Modi without doubt has become a sensation in many sections of society. A phenomenon fuelled by a section of news media. After nine years of Manmohan Singhs meek rule, Modis impassioned speeches, skillful use of rhetoric, assertiveness and showmanship make him look like a rock star. To some extent, his style and language can be compared to that of Raj Thackerays. But Modi is more than that. His promises on the development front have led a sizeable population of our country to believe he can get us out of the mess we are in and must therefore become Prime Minister of India. Does Modi have the ability and intent of taking India forward, away from the many crises we face today? I think not.
Modi has been selling the idea that attracting investment to a state amounts to development. By providing low interest rates, cheap rentals and waiving stamp duty, his government claims to persuade big corporates to invest in Gujarat. For instance, to lure the Tatas to set up their Nano plant in Sanand, the Gujarat government waived stamp duty on the land sale and gave other concessions to the tune of over Rs 30,000 crore.
Why did the government give these sops to Tata? Some say it was for employment generation. However, the state government policy of ensuring 85 per cent recruitment for locals was waived for this project. There was no gain in terms of revenue and very little employment generation. The tax waivers mean that the people of Gujarat are directly or indirectly subsidising each Nano sold by the Tatas this is a criminal misuse of authority by the government. The people of Sanand voted the Bharatiya Janata Party out in the 2012 Assembly elections perhaps a sign of disenchantment with Modis policies? The corporates get a sweet deal and, in return, endorse Modi for the Prime Ministers job. You scratch my back, I scratch yours? Something like the model Manmohan Singh followed in the early years of UPA 1.
The fact that Modis policies bring investment into Gujarat cannot be denied. The important question that needs to be asked is who are the beneficiaries of this investment? A state that has seen high growth rates for the last 20 years is expected to have generated revenue to work for the human development of the people of that state. According to the Planning Commission, Gujarats rank in poverty alleviation is extremely poor. In fact, the tribal population (17 per cent of the total) in the state has actually seen an increase in poverty over the last decade and malnutrition is very severe among Gujarats children and women. It is no surprise that in a recent study by United Nations Development Programme, Gujarat ranked 8th among major Indian states in human development. This suggests that the economic growth that Gujarat has seen is concentrated within a small percentage of the states population. Edward Abbey had once said, Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of a cancer cell.
If the growth is not reaching the poor majority, what good is the growth? India is a country suffering from widespread poverty, hunger and malnourishment. A widening economic chasm is hardly an achievement in such an environment. With such a backdrop, is this the kind of development model we need today?
Modi is often described as a non-corrupt and incorruptible leader. In this limited definition of honesty one can draw parallels with Dr Manmohan Singh. So he may be clean himself, but he turns a blind eye to his Ministers plundering resources. Sitting at the top, overseeing, even if not participating in corrupt practices. Babu Bokhariya, a Cabinet minister of the Gujarat government, was convicted in an illegal mining case earlier this year and has been on trial since 2006, but Modi refused to act against his Minister. Then in 2011, while the nation stood up and demanded a strong Lokpal bill, Modi was occupied in delaying a Lokayukta in his own state. Finally, in 2013, we find his government has enacted a law which is more toothless than the UPA governments Lokpal.
After a CAG report indicting the Modi government for corruption was leaked recently, Times of India reported the following (April 3, 2013):
With all but four Congress MLAs suspended from the House, there could be no debate on the damning CAG reports. As soon as the house began functioning on Friday, MLAs Rajendrasinh Parmar, Paranjayadityasinhji Parmar, Jodhaji Thakore and Amit Chavda sought discussion on CAG report, which the speaker Ganpar Vasava disallowed.
The quartet rushed to the well carrying banners on CAG. They were suspended, quite predictably, and escorted out by the security staff.
A clear sign that opposition is not tolerated in Modis Gujarat. In many ways, he reminds one of the Emergency-period Indira Gandhi. It is interesting to note that Modi rarely attends the Gujarat Assembly proceedings, let alone make statements on the floor. On the one hand, he can address massive rallies with great charisma. On the other, he has a habit of walking away from interviews when cornered with tough questions.
A Prime Minister is the voice of the nation. He must engage the people of his country in a dialogue. How can Modi not be accountable to the media or the legislative body, and still flash his democratic credentials? Does democracy have no meaning beyond elections? In this day and age, it is impossible to overturn democracy as brazenly as Indira Gandhi did in the 1970s, but does Modi have those tendencies? Absolutely.
Modi is trapped in an environment in which he cannot make a difference even if he wants to, owing to the kind of politics he represents. If he does become Prime Minister, the MPs who will support Modi for the job will in all likelihood have won the Lok Sabha elections after investing crores of rupees of black money (as Gopinath Munde recently admitted). If he becomes Prime Minister, will he stop his MPs from seeking returns on those investments? And will they continue to support him if he does? The current political system of money through power and power through money is such that neither Modi nor Rahul Gandhi (his closest competitor) can possibly make our lives better. If corruption funds these political parties, who will be their priority: the aam aadmi or the donors?
When Modi addresses a rally at Hyderabad, giving the clarion call for a Congress-mukt Bharat, he shares the stage with former President of the BJP, Bangaru Laxman, who has been convicted in a corruption case. By identifying the Congress party as the problem, Modi is misleading voters. There is no difference today, between the Congress and the BJP. Modi had the opportunity to show that he does not represent the mai-baap culture of the political class of this country in the Vitthal Radadiya drama. He failed. Radadiya, a Congress MP from Porbandar was caught last year on camera, pointing a gun at a tollbooth attendant because he was asked to pay toll. However, instead of taking action against Radadiya, Modi offered him protection and lured him into the BJP welcoming him with a grand ceremony.
Great orators have often swayed Indias electorate. We need to understand that oratory and machismo can never work when the politics is criminal.
And I havent even mentioned 2002.
Source: Why Modi Shouldn
Modi has been selling the idea that attracting investment to a state amounts to development. By providing low interest rates, cheap rentals and waiving stamp duty, his government claims to persuade big corporates to invest in Gujarat. For instance, to lure the Tatas to set up their Nano plant in Sanand, the Gujarat government waived stamp duty on the land sale and gave other concessions to the tune of over Rs 30,000 crore.
Why did the government give these sops to Tata? Some say it was for employment generation. However, the state government policy of ensuring 85 per cent recruitment for locals was waived for this project. There was no gain in terms of revenue and very little employment generation. The tax waivers mean that the people of Gujarat are directly or indirectly subsidising each Nano sold by the Tatas this is a criminal misuse of authority by the government. The people of Sanand voted the Bharatiya Janata Party out in the 2012 Assembly elections perhaps a sign of disenchantment with Modis policies? The corporates get a sweet deal and, in return, endorse Modi for the Prime Ministers job. You scratch my back, I scratch yours? Something like the model Manmohan Singh followed in the early years of UPA 1.
The fact that Modis policies bring investment into Gujarat cannot be denied. The important question that needs to be asked is who are the beneficiaries of this investment? A state that has seen high growth rates for the last 20 years is expected to have generated revenue to work for the human development of the people of that state. According to the Planning Commission, Gujarats rank in poverty alleviation is extremely poor. In fact, the tribal population (17 per cent of the total) in the state has actually seen an increase in poverty over the last decade and malnutrition is very severe among Gujarats children and women. It is no surprise that in a recent study by United Nations Development Programme, Gujarat ranked 8th among major Indian states in human development. This suggests that the economic growth that Gujarat has seen is concentrated within a small percentage of the states population. Edward Abbey had once said, Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of a cancer cell.
If the growth is not reaching the poor majority, what good is the growth? India is a country suffering from widespread poverty, hunger and malnourishment. A widening economic chasm is hardly an achievement in such an environment. With such a backdrop, is this the kind of development model we need today?
Modi is often described as a non-corrupt and incorruptible leader. In this limited definition of honesty one can draw parallels with Dr Manmohan Singh. So he may be clean himself, but he turns a blind eye to his Ministers plundering resources. Sitting at the top, overseeing, even if not participating in corrupt practices. Babu Bokhariya, a Cabinet minister of the Gujarat government, was convicted in an illegal mining case earlier this year and has been on trial since 2006, but Modi refused to act against his Minister. Then in 2011, while the nation stood up and demanded a strong Lokpal bill, Modi was occupied in delaying a Lokayukta in his own state. Finally, in 2013, we find his government has enacted a law which is more toothless than the UPA governments Lokpal.
After a CAG report indicting the Modi government for corruption was leaked recently, Times of India reported the following (April 3, 2013):
With all but four Congress MLAs suspended from the House, there could be no debate on the damning CAG reports. As soon as the house began functioning on Friday, MLAs Rajendrasinh Parmar, Paranjayadityasinhji Parmar, Jodhaji Thakore and Amit Chavda sought discussion on CAG report, which the speaker Ganpar Vasava disallowed.
The quartet rushed to the well carrying banners on CAG. They were suspended, quite predictably, and escorted out by the security staff.
A clear sign that opposition is not tolerated in Modis Gujarat. In many ways, he reminds one of the Emergency-period Indira Gandhi. It is interesting to note that Modi rarely attends the Gujarat Assembly proceedings, let alone make statements on the floor. On the one hand, he can address massive rallies with great charisma. On the other, he has a habit of walking away from interviews when cornered with tough questions.
A Prime Minister is the voice of the nation. He must engage the people of his country in a dialogue. How can Modi not be accountable to the media or the legislative body, and still flash his democratic credentials? Does democracy have no meaning beyond elections? In this day and age, it is impossible to overturn democracy as brazenly as Indira Gandhi did in the 1970s, but does Modi have those tendencies? Absolutely.
Modi is trapped in an environment in which he cannot make a difference even if he wants to, owing to the kind of politics he represents. If he does become Prime Minister, the MPs who will support Modi for the job will in all likelihood have won the Lok Sabha elections after investing crores of rupees of black money (as Gopinath Munde recently admitted). If he becomes Prime Minister, will he stop his MPs from seeking returns on those investments? And will they continue to support him if he does? The current political system of money through power and power through money is such that neither Modi nor Rahul Gandhi (his closest competitor) can possibly make our lives better. If corruption funds these political parties, who will be their priority: the aam aadmi or the donors?
When Modi addresses a rally at Hyderabad, giving the clarion call for a Congress-mukt Bharat, he shares the stage with former President of the BJP, Bangaru Laxman, who has been convicted in a corruption case. By identifying the Congress party as the problem, Modi is misleading voters. There is no difference today, between the Congress and the BJP. Modi had the opportunity to show that he does not represent the mai-baap culture of the political class of this country in the Vitthal Radadiya drama. He failed. Radadiya, a Congress MP from Porbandar was caught last year on camera, pointing a gun at a tollbooth attendant because he was asked to pay toll. However, instead of taking action against Radadiya, Modi offered him protection and lured him into the BJP welcoming him with a grand ceremony.
Great orators have often swayed Indias electorate. We need to understand that oratory and machismo can never work when the politics is criminal.
And I havent even mentioned 2002.
Source: Why Modi Shouldn
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[Bregs];4821564 said:
There should be limit to imbecility.
You do not need 2/3 majority to have control of Parliament and every ministry, even 1/2 would do. 2/3 majority is required only for amending fundamental rights and directive principles + impeachment of president.
This retarded pseudo-journalist is oblivious to this simple fact.
Anyway [MENTION=148509][Bregs][/MENTION], how is life in Ganga dhaba. Heard you have chosen a butt-pirate as your president.
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[Bregs];4821649 said:
I dont rally care about Bjp or congress or any political party for that matter, but I do fail to see logic behind the list of smear campaign threads from one single person on a defence forum....
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I think it has something to do with the increase in the number of people getting connected to the internet, mostly via phones. Internet gives you the freedom to remain anonymous and express yourself which you don't get in real life. To be fair Modi fanboys aren't to far behind in this either.
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Absolutely agree.... In the heat of promoting their affiliations, I think people have forgotten the real policies that affect their interest....
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I am not afraid of Fenku, i am trying to counter the one sided views of his fan clubs at PDF of abusing other leaders including PM and now they started crying when i replied in same coin. i am all for banning all Indian political threads here though, i am just a month old here at PDF its not me who started all this it was before me Modi worship by his fans which i tried to counter
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He is a congress supporter, it's natural that he is scared. There is only one way BJP could win this election and that's through Modi. Initially they were hopeful that he wouldn't get the ticket as there were internal ruffles within BJP. But now that he ended up getting the ticket, it's game on.
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lol amused at your reply
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Aren't you scared that Congress will end up winning a third term, with an even weaker mandate than before?
Modi has great economic policies, but it won't do anyone much good if Rahul sits on the throne.
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Aren't you scared that Congress will end up winning a third term, with an even weaker mandate than before?
Modi has great economic policies, but it won't do anyone much good if Rahul sits on the throne.
I shudder at the thought of Rahul Gandhi becoming the PM. The guy is an idiot. But I am not a hard core Modi or BJP fan. I was happy with the re-election of MMS. But I am fed up with this govt after the second term, so would like to see a change and only Modi can bring about that change.
