Indian Navy News & Discussions

[VelocuR]

There's not an official price but $4,000,000,000 has been given by government for 4 ships + R&D. We expect that the price per ship would be 1-1.1 billion dollars because of large missile inventory, hell of a sensors and Laser CIWS, CAFRAD...etc.



Just as I was about to say...Buttstrong's back

Can Turkey discount the prices for us, I didn't like the prices of 1-1.1 billion dollars too high? Pakistan-Turkish Brothers deal?

 

[Echo_419]

mr if use Saudi money than we would bye Type 52 not develop on our own mr and if we get more money we may get TOT

TOT alone cannot develop your Ship Building Industry,you need investment in domestic research

 

[Kompromat]

There is no need for such an expensive toy. We are much better off getting 4-8 Enhanced F-23 frigates with VLS.

12-15 networked frigates
10-12 AIP subs

Coastal defense, Maritime attack capabilities added, PN would maintain its 'sea denial' role well.

PN has had one station so far, now it will have 3 streched over a 1000km. In other words the IN would have to fight inside latoral waters to achieve its 'blockade' objective which is precisely what PN would want as it would trap the IN inside a small body of water, deprived of stand off capability, well within the range of all kinds of sub, surface, air and land launched ship killing missiles, air crafts or even ballistic missiles all while operating in a small AIP sub infested body of water.

Shifting the biggest base to Gwadar is a pivotal decision as it will strech IN's assets by a factor of 1000km. Their supply vessels will become ducks while they'd be fighting for every square nautical mile. They'd also be at war a stones throw away from the US fleet in Bahrain and Qatar, who maintain a 200nmi cordon, which would border Gwadar, so technically, the IN would be operating inside the USN's envelope which will complicate things for IN very much.

They'd have to get close to attack Gwadar, but they run the risk of saber rattling the USN fleet in the process while fighting PN. Just in case a Chinese Type-96 SSBN comes prowling around to join the party that would spike things up further.

 

[Indischer]

There is no need for such an expensive toy. We are much better off getting 4-8 Enhanced F-23 frigates with VLS.

12-15 networked frigates
10-12 AIP subs

Coastal defense, Maritime attack capabilities added, PN would maintain its 'sea denial' role well.

PN has had one station so far, now it will have 3 streched over a 1000km. In other words the IN would have to fight inside latoral waters to achieve its 'blockade' objective which is precisely what PN would want as it would trap the IN inside a small body of water, deprived of stand off capability, well within the range of all kinds of sub, surface, air and land launched ship killing missiles, air crafts or even ballistic missiles all while operating in a small AIP sub infested body of water.

Shifting the biggest base to Gwadar is a pivotal decision as it will strech IN's assets by a factor of 1000km. Their supply vessels will become ducks while they'd be fighting for every square nautical mile. They'd also be at war a stones throw away from the US fleet in Bahrain and Qatar, who maintain a 200nmi cordon, which would border Gwadar, so technically, the IN would be operating inside the USN's envelope which will complicate things for IN very much.

They'd have to get close to attack Gwadar, but they run the risk of saber rattling the USN fleet in the process while fighting PN. Just in case a Chinese Type-96 SSBN comes prowling around to join the party that would spike things up further.

Probably a silly question, but here goes: regarding the bold part, why would Indian Navy want to blockade Gwadar? They'd still be gunning for Karachi, wouldn't they, and PN would still be forced to prevent this scenario, wouldn't it? Plus, what about the thinning of PN's own resources owing to a much more 'spread out' presence along the Makran coast?

 

[Donatello]

The best bet is to replace the 6 type 21s with 6 newer All purpose frigates with Medium range SAM cover. Then add some more general purpose frigates. A 16 frigate size PN, and 10 AIP Subs would be more than enough. But this means we are looking at a bill of about 4 billion USD, so where will the money come from?

 

[T-123456]

because last time I checked TF-2000 price is expected to be 3 billion dollars per piece but Type 52 costs 800 million dollars

No,the program cost is between $3 billion to $6 billion for 6/8 ships,so no more then $1 billion a ship.

 

[Basel]

The point is IN will not come close. That's IN has opted for brahmos, so that enemy doesnt get any chance to retaliate the ping from the IN vessel who launched.

First line of your post is correct and I also said that but your fellow country men can't understand it, and yes brahmos is a threat but PN have decided that it will not allow IN to come close enough to its coast that they can launch brahmos, that is why initially C-602s (coastal batteries with 240+ km range) are acquired and soon ships will also have them too, P-3s & other MPA with air launched 100+ kms range AShM, PN surface ships will patrol around 200 nm out side our border so they can stop IN coming close enough and they have chance to fight at that range as PAF can quickly come to support specially with quick response CM-400AKG missiles. Remember IN may face 400+ km range C-602s in conflict as that version is already in use with PLAN.

DF-21 type missile may be last option but big bro (land & ship launched) of CM-400AKG with 500+ km range is more feasible as PLAN also have them.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Topic is something else...or are you people done?

 

[The A-5]

4000+ posts and you write this absolutely bogus shitty sentence? Ever heard of INS guidance? Or perhaps GPS? And exactly whose AWACS is going <100km to a naval vessel armed with LR SAMs?

As for OP, you really ought to know better than this. Reported for useless war-mongering and instigating nonsensical arguments.

The guidance you mentioned is for attacking fixed land targets. Doesn't work against moving targets with active defences,
that too when targets are out at sea (with no particular terrain to hide your approach or match images for TERCOM)

 

[The A-5]

I do not think Pakistan has capability (or requirement) to procure something to counter Kolk.

What have they procured to counter Shivalik? That frigate with 8 AsHMs and 56 SAMs itself poses a more
persistent surface threat to PN right now than any recently-inducted Kolk would do. Plus all 3 Shivaliks are
operational, they should be enough to handle all PN surface combatants. The Neptune MPA and P-28 corvettes
should offer ample new-generation ASW capabilities (Neptune is now the most deadly airborne sub-hunter in the world).

In each case I haven't included the 6 x Talwar FFGs, 3 x P16A FFGs, 3 x P16 FFGs, 3 x P-15 DDGs, 5 x Rajput DDGs,
3 x P25A corvettes, 3 x P25 corvettes etc., and the 8 x Tu-142 MPAs, 5 x Il-38SD MPAs, which can safely carry out
other roles like patrolling IOR, escorting Carriers, etc.

Plus we've still got 8 x Kilo SSKs with Klub CMs and 4 x Type209 SSKs (soon to receive Harpoon CMs). And the
6 x Scorpenes under construction (with Exocet CMs)...we have huge nuclear submarine ambitions as well, with
3 x SSBNs, 3 x SSGNs, and atleast 8 SSNs (6 already outlined), Pakistan cannot counter all of these any way, so
what's the point in countering the Kolk with some imaginary window-shopping acquisitions now?

 

[Zarvan]

There is no need for such an expensive toy. We are much better off getting 4-8 Enhanced F-23 frigates with VLS.

12-15 networked frigates
10-12 AIP subs

Coastal defense, Maritime attack capabilities added, PN would maintain its 'sea denial' role well.

PN has had one station so far, now it will have 3 streched over a 1000km. In other words the IN would have to fight inside latoral waters to achieve its 'blockade' objective which is precisely what PN would want as it would trap the IN inside a small body of water, deprived of stand off capability, well within the range of all kinds of sub, surface, air and land launched ship killing missiles, air crafts or even ballistic missiles all while operating in a small AIP sub infested body of water.

Shifting the biggest base to Gwadar is a pivotal decision as it will strech IN's assets by a factor of 1000km. Their supply vessels will become ducks while they'd be fighting for every square nautical mile. They'd also be at war a stones throw away from the US fleet in Bahrain and Qatar, who maintain a 200nmi cordon, which would border Gwadar, so technically, the IN would be operating inside the USN's envelope which will complicate things for IN very much.

They'd have to get close to attack Gwadar, but they run the risk of saber rattling the USN fleet in the process while fighting PN. Just in case a Chinese Type-96 SSBN comes prowling around to join the party that would spike things up further.

Sir first we need to increase number off frigates to 16 when economy improve increase to 24 with 12 submarines and 90 Fighter Jets too back our Navy and we need to increase number off FAC too

 

[rockstar08]

Maintaining 70 sub has its own risk and expense.
Every systems have its own purpose.If a professional navy like Indian Navy spend 1billion$ for a destroyer .It will be worthy.
And it has its own advantage.


But the fact is we commisssioned
the destroyer .The things you mentioned are just some wishes.And we dont know whether that is included in PN modernization.

Sir another fact is we are not at war ... so relax .. we are not afraid of your any destroyer or anything ..

 

[Neptune]

Are they planning a direct energy weapon to be integrated?

What is other type of weapons on this ship and if it is frigate or a destroyer?

Yes they are. A team called ATOM is responsible for Laser CIWS and high kinetic energy weapon. ATOM= ASELSAN, ODTÜ (Where hype is graduated), METEKSAN and TÜBİTAK.

Radar: CAFRAD

- Long Range Search Radar
- Electronically Scanning IFF Antenna
- Illumination Radar
- Fire Control Radar
- Ares 2NS Electronic Support/Attack System
- X Band Satellite Communication System
- Multifunctional Radar

Besides the CAFRAD complex, there will be an advanced AESA radar like the ones at Daring-class.

Displacement: 7,000 tonnes

Length: 160 m

Beam: 18 m

Armament:

-1x 127mm 127/64 Naval Gun

-2x Aselsan STAMP stabilized 25mm gun platform

- ROKETSAN Atmaca anti-ship missile 250km (Atmaca will have capability of both land attack and anti-ship capabilities)

- ROKETSAN Gezgin LACM (2,500 km)

- ASELSAN/TUBITAK Laser CWIS (This platform will also replace the active service Phalanx CIWS)

- ROKETSAN Hisar-A/O SAM missiles integration efforts may be taken place in accordance with Turkish Naval Forces requirements.

- RAYTHEON RIM-156 SM-2 Block IV Mk-21

- RAYTHEON RIM-162 ESSM

- RAYTHEON RIM-161 SM-3 Block IA

- RAYTHEON RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (CIWS-PDMS)

- RUM-139 VL-ASROC (Anti Submarine Weapon )...22km

- Mk-32 Torpedo Tubes

- Aircraft: SH-60B LAMPS II Seahawk
Unmanned Aerial Vehicle

- Laser Directed Kinetic Energy Weapons

- Directional Infrared Counter Measures


By it's specs, displacement and stealthy design it clearly is an AAW guided missile destroyer. But the DZKK has to abide NSC protocols at classification. So it's gonna be named as an "air defence frigate".

 

[Screambowl]

First line of your post is correct and I also said that but your fellow country men can't understand it, and yes brahmos is a threat but PN have decided that it will not allow IN to come close enough to its coast that they can launch brahmos, that is why initially C-602s (coastal batteries with 240+ km range) are acquired and soon ships will also have them too, P-3s & other MPA with air launched 100+ kms range AShM, PN surface ships will patrol around 200 nm out side our border so they can stop IN coming close enough and they have chance to fight at that range as PAF can quickly come to support specially with quick response CM-400AKG missiles. Remember IN may face 400+ km range C-602s in conflict as that version is already in use with PLAN.

DF-21 type missile may be last option but big bro (land & ship launched) of CM-400AKG with 500+ km range is more feasible as PLAN also have them.

How can you stop IN at 200Nm , not possible. Mumbai is itself 800kms from Karachi which is 400Nm, during war IN vessels will be closer lol. Launching brahmos from 300Nm(600km) will hit the target as its range is 700 km. Karachi port is always under range. Once the oil installations are down, PN will not dare to retaliate.

And except the submarines, PN will not send their vessels to counter IN frigates.

 

[Abingdonboy]

@Storm Force I've seen you star numerous of these India vs Pakistan threads that never go anywhere constructive.


As it is, it is a silly question you have asked anyway- the introduction of the Kolkata does not massively sway the balance of power in the region, it is simply another in a long line of improvements the IN is making. Take Kolkata out of the equation the PN has still lost the fight before the first shot is fired. The real question is how should the PN/Pakistan deal with an ever growing and expanding IN that is set to receive and ever greater share of the defence budget as India focuses on power projection and on the seas going into the next decade?