Indian muslim :Javed Akhtar's Pakistan

[Agnostic_Indian]

If Muslims in India can live and proper...what was the need for Pakistan then?

It negates the reason behind their very existence itself.

but i am happy that partition happened so that the muslims who wanted islamic state gone to pakistan(most of them )..and secular muslims stayed in india.otherwise there would be far more communal riots and religion politics in india.

 

[desioptimist]

say to this bharati extremist shameless pig, jawed guy not to run his useless tongue on matters which doesnt concern him, or if he has courage come to pakistan and then speak to the public.... he is just a typical indian retarded guy who has a very low sense about other nation...

hey akhter u shameless suar, u have guts then come to pakistani public what ever u say abt pakistan...

Calling somebody pig and suar, just because you don't agree with him?
Everybody is entitled to have his/her views.
I am sure you have a view about India too.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

start giving Muslim representation in any industry and it would be less than 5 percent. altough they claim muslims are 166 million( which itself is a lie)

there is no need for religious representation..according to educational level every body is fairly represented.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Muslims were treated as a minority, and were not given proper rights.

'were treated'? By whom? The British ruled us then, not the Hindus. So your blame should fall on the British and not the Hindus. Hindus had never ever ruled over Muslims for even one day until 14-15 August 1947.

The creation of Pakistan was all based on a speculation.

Speculation that Muslims will not be able to live and prosper in a Hindu dominated society.

Speculation that Hindus will overrun Muslims.

Speculation that Muslims will be forced to abandon their faith.

...and so on.

It was this very speculation that lead to the creation of Pakistan.

Now interchange the words 'Muslim' and 'Hindus' and you'll be able to see the supposed justification offered by the erstwhile RSS.

It's just that the ML's ruse worked, RSS' didn't.

It is much better in India now compare to then, but still minority of the Muslims have to continue to appease the Hindu majority.

And that's why I said, if that 'speculation' is ever proved wrong in India, Pakistanis will be deprived of the very cause which led to the creation of their country i.e. a seperate land for the Muslims of the subcontinent unhindered by a Hindu majority.

 

[EagleEyes]

but i am happy that partition happened so that the muslims who wanted islamic state gone to pakistan(most of them )..and secular muslims stayed in india.otherwise there would be far more communal riots and religion politics in india.

That is inaccurate, it wasn't secular vs religious Muslims. It was more of Muslims who could sustain the Hindu brutality after the partition, those who were unfortunate to migrate (either too rich, poor, or attacks on those who were migrating discouraged them to do so).

 

[desioptimist]

It depends on which condition you are talking about. The internal problems of Pakistan have nothing to do with Hindu-Muslim.

They are independent problems. Nothing to do with as if Hindustan was still complete.

I believe Sikhs in India enjoy much more freedom than Muslims, but even then they had to face brutality by Hindu majority where famous cases of Sikhs murdered have been done by majority Hindus in India.

You should compare minority in India with minority in pakistan.
Even in UK, I am sure you know, natives are rich, powerful and have more freedom.
The point is whether minorities have same rights as per law, and whether the law is being enforced.

About sikhs, they have always been rich and powerful. So they are overrepresented in certain fields in India. They did it themselves, nobody gave special privileges to them.

 

[EagleEyes]

You should compare minority in India with minority in pakistan.
Even in UK, I am sure you know, natives are rich, powerful and have more freedom.
The point is whether minorities have same rights as per law, and whether the law is being enforced.

Minority is completely happy with Pakistan otherwise they are free to move to India.

There are cases of minority moving to India and coming back to Pakistan because of the poor conditions of their families living in India.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

It depends on which condition you are talking about. The internal problems of Pakistan have nothing to do with Hindu-Muslim.

They are independent problems. Nothing to do with as if Hindustan was still complete.

i am talking about the overall condition...from living conditions to the freedom to practice their religion...every sect even among the muslims can practicetheir religion without any fear...where as in Pakistan we kleep hearing the killings of muslims among shia and sunnis. the creation pf Pakistan was to provide a safer nation to muslims who wanted their religion as their binding factor....which unfortunately became their only reason for an unstable and unsafe pakistan. these are where Indian Muslims are in a better condition than their Pakistani counterparts.

 

[Jackdaws]

start giving Muslim representation in any industry and it would be less than 5 percent. altough they claim muslims are 166 million( which itself is a lie)

Let's start with the movie industry

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

That is inaccurate, it wasn't secular vs religious Muslims. It was more of Muslims who could sustain the Hindu brutality after the partition, those who were unfortunate to migrate (either too rich, poor, or attacks on those who were migrating discouraged them to do so).

as jack sparrow said it was just speculations and insecurity about majority hindus.and if they wanted a secular pakistan they would have created it so..that means they were in favour of islamic state not a secular one.and about brutality during partition it happened from both side.i am sure large number of muslims trusted gandhi and secular india than the idea of pakistan.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

I believe Sikhs in India enjoy much more freedom than Muslims, but even then they had to face brutality by Hindu majority where famous cases of Sikhs murdered have been done by majority Hindus in India.

thats where the problem lies with most of the pakistanis I interact with.....everything that they view is with an angle of religion....the brutality faced by sikhs were not just from the hindus but from every other sects including ,muslims in india..why do you think only hindus killed the sikhs ?? even christiand and buddhists were there..or if I put it better..I dont know who all were there.....and thats why javed akhtar in this video said, you have to understad the difference between communalism and religion...it was all planned by few leaders from a particular party...and as a matter of fact the one who inititaed this was himself a punjabi.

 

[President Camacho]

It depends on which condition you are talking about. The internal problems of Pakistan have nothing to do with Hindu-Muslim.

They are independent problems. Nothing to do with as if Hindustan was still complete.

I believe Sikhs in India enjoy much more freedom than Muslims, but even then they had to face brutality by Hindu majority where famous cases of Sikhs murdered have been done by majority Hindus in India.

The internal problems spreading in all dimensions, I suppose that's what he meant by his rightly generalized statement. In Pakistan it is not a Muslim-Hindu problem simply because time and again people have been shown what would happen if they even seek any explanations on the atrocities disguised as Islamic obligations. Now that the Hindus and Christians are not even important enough targets, the problems, that no one seemed to even acknowledge, have transformed into 'your Islam' vs. 'my Islam' monster.

 

[Skies]

I think Muslims in India are different type of Muslim, and unlike Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslims. If you see the most of Muslim actors and scientists in India you will feel something different. They feel proud to have their identity of being Muslim, but they are not interested to act like a good Muslim. Good Muslims means, who are interested and sincere to do what Islam said to do. I don't like them.

 

[President Camacho]

I think Muslims in India are different type of Muslim, and unlike Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslims. If you see the most of Muslim actors and scientists in India you will feel something different. They feel proud to have their identity of being Muslim, but they are not interested to act like a good Muslim. I don't like them.

How should they act to be a good Muslim, could you please elaborate on that?

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

I think Muslims in India are different type of Muslim, and unlike Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslims. If you see the most of Muslim actors and scientists in India you will feel something different. They feel proud to have their identity of being Muslim, but they are not interested to act like a good Muslim. I don't like them.

May be they believe that a 'good' or 'bad' Muslim will be judged by Allah and not by earthlings like you and me.

You and I are nobody to judge them or their allegiance to their faith. Allah will judge them and their acts.