Indian logistic support to TTP and why the world media does not pay attention

[Bushy]

If not India, then who? I would imagine that India would be the first and greatest benefactor out of weakened/destabilized Pakistan.

Between Iran and India, Pakistani Army is the strongest force at this time. And only the most powerful in this region will be the sole negotiator when oil comes from the Caspian Sea to the Arabian Sea. So if Pakistan becomes weak/broken, upper region will be controlled by the Mullahs of Northern Afghanistan, that can be bought very cheaply by the Americans. The lower region in and around Baluchistan, will be jointly and indirectly controlled by the Americans and Indians. USA wins.

As for India, a lost/broken Pakistan will pave nice, smoothened roads for emboldened insurgents to Kashmir. Not a complete win for India here either.

As for China, it will have access to gas and oil through its western borders. And if the Democrats stay in power for another term, it won't be surprising to see a US-China alliance.

Not a loss for India, but no big win either.

 

[Bhaarat]

Between Iran and India, Pakistani Army is the strongest force at this time.

Really?!!

And only the most powerful in this region will be the sole negotiator when oil comes from the Caspian Sea to the Arabian Sea. So if Pakistan becomes weak/broken, upper region will be controlled by the Mullahs of Northern Afghanistan, that can be bought very cheaply by the Americans. The lower region in and around Baluchistan, will be jointly and indirectly controlled by the Americans and Indians. USA wins.

and India. If Pakistan is broken, India weilds influence till Khyber pass and beyond. India's route to central asia opens. US wins, but India is the bigger winner.

As for India, a lost/broken Pakistan will pave nice, smoothened roads for emboldened insurgents to Kashmir. Not a complete win for India here either.

Not really, India's threat perception remains the same, infact, it decreases greatly because the terror mechanism will not be guided and trained by the able PA and directed by ISI. On the contrary, the whole of the region is at our mercy.

As for China, it will have access to gas and oil through its western borders. And if the Democrats stay in power for another term, it won't be surprising to see a US-China alliance.

until US gets back on its feet(if it ever does).

Not a loss for India, but no big win either.

Its a matter of interpretation.

 

[Bushy]

Really?!!

Oh yes, really!

and India. If Pakistan is broken, India weilds influence till Khyber pass and beyond. India's route to central asia opens. US wins, but India is the bigger winner.

So you are saying that in a snap India will defeat all the religiously motivated fearless insurgents that have already frustrated the American and Pakistani forces combined? Then my friend, I think the PA is missing you out there.

Not really, India's threat perception remains the same, infact, it decreases greatly because the terror mechanism will not be guided and trained by the able PA and directed by ISI. On the contrary, the whole of the region is at our mercy.

Dude, are you really that naive? Do you still think the ISI and the PA train the militants out of sympathy for Kashmir/Islam? If that were the case, they wouldn't be waging their longest war against their own people within Pakistan itself. Be assured, they do so to gain funds, and nothing else. Whether it comes from the Pakistani public, or the Saudis, or the USA or China, it should only be green. What really matters is, the flow doesn't break.

So if by any chance the ISI and the PA are even weakened/disarmed, the financiers will find new trainers, and the trainers will find new militants. When money talks... everything walks.

Its a matter of interpretation.

Of course yes. Our gains and losses depend on our perceptions, guided by our investments. You got that right there.

 

[Bhaarat]

Oh yes, really!

So you are saying that in a snap India will defeat all the religiously motivated fearless insurgents that have already frustrated the American and Pakistani forces combined? Then my friend, I think the PA is missing you out there.

Fearless, bullshit!! India has already faced these guys in Kashmir and has done a great job. India can repeat the performance if required. Anyway, do you expect Talibs to rush to India as soon as Pakistan collapses? Talibs will want to first settle down in their power in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Dude, are you really that naive? Do you still think the ISI and the PA train the militants out of sympathy for Kashmir/Islam? If that were the case, they wouldn't be waging their longest war against their own people within Pakistan itself. Be assured, they do so to gain funds, and nothing else. Whether it comes from the Pakistani public, or the Saudis, or the USA or China, it should only be green. What really matters is, the flow doesn't break.

I really dont know how you got that impression. I know why ISI/PA train terrorists. And they do not do so to gain funds, no. They train terrorists to undermine and hurt India.

So if by any chance the ISI and the PA are even weakened/disarmed, the financiers will find new trainers, and the trainers will find new militants. When money talks... everything walks.

But the organised setup would have disappeared. The nuke umbrella would have disappeared. See, as soon as talibani takeover of Pakistan would be confirmed, the Pakistan would be denuked by US itself lest the talibs use the nukes against US(that is US' and other western nation's fear). Once the nuke umbrella is gone, India can handle anyone in this region if required and we dont have to care about collateral damage, like we do in Kashmir.

Of course yes. Our gains and losses depend on our perceptions, guided by our investments. You got that right there.

 

[Bushy]

Fearless, bullshit!! India has already faced these guys in Kashmir and has done a great job. India can repeat the performance if required. Anyway, do you expect Talibs to rush to India as soon as Pakistan collapses? Talibs will want to first settle down in their power in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

The Fidayeen, fighting their God's war may be dumb and ill-trained and ill-equipped. But they sure are any time more motivated than a soldier fighting for salary. And no, I do not think Taliban will ever get to control Pakistan. And that is the reason it will start infiltrating into India. Pakistan will still be there, but with extremely reduced powers.

I really dont know how you got that impression. I know why ISI/PA train terrorists. And they do not do so to gain funds, no. They train terrorists to undermine and hurt India.

From all I know, Pakistan gets around $5 million/day in cash and oil/other subsidies from Saudi Arabia. And the biggest chunk goes directly to the Army. Why else do you think almost all the militants trained by the ISI/PA are more anti Shia/Ahmadi/Kadiani/Mohajir etc than anti Hindu? That is why I say it is money that makes them (ISI/PA) act the way they do.


On the nukes, I agree with you.

About India staking it out through Pakistan... I doubt it. The PA won't disappear just like that.

About collateral damage in Kashmir - I have been there many times, in almost every corner. More than 90% of the people have died because of insurgents, so I won't call it collateral damage.

 

[navtrek]

Why do you think Pakistani politicians don't pay attention?
If Pakistanis are not bothered while voting for traitors and criminals than why should rest of the world bother for Pakistan?
We need to have some leader who cares for Pakistan more than filling his bank accounts than he will speak for Pakistan and not for those masters who issue tourist visas for his family, in return for keeping mouth shut.

Truth dosent require support so its not really about good leaders its abt the TRUTH in the claim

truth always wins if not now then some day it will

 

[New Shivaji]

All politicians should be turned in to local police stations and their ***** must be treated until they give out details of their links with RAW.
Bhagwandas should be made an example for anarchests of Pakistan.

Most your countrymen may not agree with you on Justice Bhagavandas . He is supposed to be the messiah of lawyers movement and for the removal of Musharaff.

May be you mind is clouded just because Justice bhagavandas is a hindu

 

[Omar1984]

Feels like I just walked into an indian forum. indians are discussing with each other on how to destroy Pakistan. Where are the moderators???

 

[StingRoy]

Feels like I just walked into an indian forum. indians are discussing with each other on how to destroy Pakistan. Where are the moderators???

Enjoying the popcorn and beer !

 

[sensenreason]

Fault doesn't lie with US and Western Media, fault lies in your expectations. You are looking towards friends of Zions to be just and fair with Muslims? Komon, take a break.

Regarding opening of proof for India, India would not buy them, neither USA or anybody who has Zion bonding would. We cannot convince them by showing anything, so if something could be a solution, that will be a response, stronger and more potent than India has been trying to produce. We haven't solved 1% disputes with India with negotiations. It was either United Nations or Bullet pointed at their head that made India do something. They were ready to talk and discuss Kashmir when it was hot for them, and since it is relatively under-control, they are denying to get into any dialog.

Remember, medicine and soft therapy is not treatment of every disease and sickness, some times you have to chop few parts to save the uninfected body. Think!

Why not share the proof with China and Saudi Arabia who are great friends of Pakistan and not good friends of India? Let them publicly acknowledge and agree with Pakistan's conclusions. Atleast the allegations can be discussed on this and other forums with some basis.

 

[sensenreason]

Feels like I just walked into an indian forum. indians are discussing with each other on how to destroy Pakistan. Where are the moderators???

This is more of a British run project...surely pro-pakistan.

 

[Bhaarat]

The Fidayeen, fighting their God's war may be dumb and ill-trained and ill-equipped. But they sure are any time more motivated than a soldier fighting for salary. And no, I do not think Taliban will ever get to control Pakistan. And that is the reason it will start infiltrating into India. Pakistan will still be there, but with extremely reduced powers.

Mate,

Even the soldiers of PA have always been asked to fight for their religion when fighting against India, Fidayeen are no different. In many ways, fighting an organised, well trained, well motivated PA is a harder task and we have shown what we can do. There are other factors also, but perhaps articulating them could be offending to a pakistani audience.

From all I know, Pakistan gets around $5 million/day in cash and oil/other subsidies from Saudi Arabia. And the biggest chunk goes directly to the Army. Why else do you think almost all the militants trained by the ISI/PA are more anti Shia/Ahmadi/Kadiani/Mohajir etc than anti Hindu? That is why I say it is money that makes them (ISI/PA) act the way they do.

Exactly, even without this 'WOT', they would have got the money. But now, they are being forced to fight all those who could have been their friends against India in this region.
On the nukes, I agree with you.

About India staking it out through Pakistan... I doubt it. The PA won't disappear just like that.

Yes, it wont. It will transform. The biggest probability is not that PA would lose to Talibs, but that the idea of Pakistan ruled by sharia laws would be appealing to many officers, Brig.s, of PA, who would then support talib. Forcing this army to fight against those who it sees as its ideological collegues could trigger an internal chaos for the army. This is the real 'worry' for countries like US. And this is a real possibility. I could have elaborated, but this being a pakistani forum, we need to keep in mind the sensitivities of the audience.

About collateral damage in Kashmir - I have been there many times, in almost every corner. More than 90% of the people have died because of insurgents, so I won't call it collateral damage.

Exactly, I am saying that army has to be controlled in Kashmir because of potential collateral damage. But if army were to take on these motley groups out of India, then they will have a free hand.

 

[rohitx007]

Why does the world media like CNN and BBC not pay attention to the Indian meddling in our country in the form of the Pakistani Taliban. They are using Afghanistan as a launch pad to destabilize us and no one from the international community is eager to expose it. The western media portrays the Pakistani Taliban as Islamic Militants but in our view they are R&AW trained cowards paid to destroy us. I attended a lecture at LSE in London on 9 November where the lecturer was not convincing the majority (Pakistani students) on why the Pakistani Taliban is destabilizing Pakistan. I also asked him some questions on Indian help to TTP and other terrorist groups in Waziristan and Balochistan but he had no convincing answer. The TTP has no links with Afghan Taliban and why would Afghan Taliban need a Pakistani wing to control Afghanistan for they already have more than 80% control over it.