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Indian ‘Home-Grown’ AMCA, An Alternative To FGFA

There are more than 2000 F-35s are planned and you will see flying around the world like how we see now F-16s and Mig-21s in the earlier days. I'm not even calculating Chinese made 5th gen jets.

How do you gonna counter it? with only heavy FGFA? If that logic is correct, then why did we go for Rafale as we could have brought 200+ Su-30s instead.

In coming years, the AFs in the world will be filled with 5th gen jets and we need a medium size one. Let start it as for IN now. Since they need 100+ jets for replacements after 10-20years.
 
The proof of good or bad lies in the speed with which china rolled back its "tent".

India defence has moved generations between 1999 (Kargil), when smart bombs and mirage-2k's and large force was needed to evict pakistani intruders.

The "tent" of 2013 moved in less than 3 weeks, without a single soldier being mobilized.

PRC's got dead scared with conventional weapons now .... and just the capability, not mobilization. Mind you. !

India agreed to remove its bunkers. So Chinese troops went home. They send 30 troops to tell India that India must dismantle the bunker. And India got the message and complied.

There are more than 2000 F-35s are planned and you will see flying around the world like how we see now F-16s and Mig-21s in the earlier days. I'm not even calculating Chinese made 5th gen jets.

How do you gonna counter it? with only heavy FGFA? If that logic is correct, then why did we go for Rafale as we could have brought 200+ Su-30s instead.

In coming years, the AFs in the world will be filled with 5th gen jets and we need a medium size one. Let start it as for IN now. Since they need 100+ jets for replacements after 10-20years.

India should consider F-35s just in case AMCA is too difficult to build.
 
Its been 11 years after US has F-22. And India still cannot build a proper 4th generation fighter. LCA is a good learning experience but its already outdated before induction. IAF should just induct a squadron of LCA and use it for parades, movies and shows to bring pride to the Indian people. But please, please, please do not use it for battles. Your pilots' life are valuable.



You tell me when will US have a 6th generation fighter. Be certain that I have not being told. As for AMCA, India should not worry about this plane. First, buy MRCA and get LCA ready. No need to worry about the future if you cannot take care of the present.

well, PAF & PLAAF using the 4th gen jets for another 20-25 years....its a good stuff to counter that in numbers.
 
India agreed to remove its bunkers. So Chinese troops went home. They send 30 troops to tell India that India must dismantle the bunker. And India got the message and complied.



India should consider F-35s just in case AMCA is too difficult to build.

Well the Chinese premier was told he was not welcome and hence the whole fiasco fizzled out...above all the Chinese found it very difficult to resupply their troops that led to the withdrawal.

F 35 is not on offer to India from the US government...only Lockheed-Martin offered it and it was just lip service.
 
India agreed to remove its bunkers. So Chinese troops went home. They send 30 troops to tell India that India must dismantle the bunker. And India got the message and complied.



India should consider F-35s just in case AMCA is too difficult to build.

Do you really think anything more than LCA Mk-1 is needed to keep PRC in wet pants?

F-35, AMCA, FGFA are more about technology development ... foreseeable defence needs (or USA and India, respectively) do not warrant a rush through.

The UCAV AURA may have more advantages as stealth aircrafts of tomorrow ..since actually they do away with some of the must have in manned fighters .... like no ejection seats, compact fitting of components ... no speed or g-limits.

Inspite of strong current capabilities to take care of the defence needs, development of defence technologies is a must to keep ahead.

Redundant and strong deterrence is what ensures than you don't need to use those weapons.

Now, you understand why PRC got wet pants .... not because of nil and non-chalant response in terms of blasting the tent.

The real reason was the massive air transport capability which would have ensured outclassing the chinese defences in a matter of days. Missile deterrence with capabilities enough to make pin-point attacks at specified building in Beijing (CEP in terms of double digits!!). PRC could see, it could not come out alive or even better off in any conveivable scenario.

This is what capability brings ...it does the job, without any weapon being used.
 
Well the Chinese premier was told he was not welcome and hence the whole fiasco fizzled out...above all the Chinese found it very difficult to resupply their troops that led to the withdrawal.

F 35 is not on offer to India from the US government...only Lockheed-Martin offered it and it was just lip service.

Why do you bring up crap such as Chinese premier was told he was not welcome and they have trouble resupply. The only reason Chinese troops went back is because they want India to dismantle the bunkers. When India complied, they went back. Here is a reminder.

India demolishes Himalaya outpost to end China standoff | Reuters

Do you really think anything more than LCA Mk-1 is needed to keep PRC in wet pants?

F-35, AMCA, FGFA are more about technology development ... foreseeable defence needs (or USA and India, respectively) do not warrant a rush through.

The UCAV AURA may have more advantages as stealth aircrafts of tomorrow ..since actually they do away with some of the must have in manned fighters .... like no ejection seats, compact fitting of components ... no speed or g-limits.

Inspite of strong current capabilities to take care of the defence needs, development of defence technologies is a must to keep ahead.

Redundant and strong deterrence is what ensures than you don't need to use those weapons.

Now, you understand why PRC got wet pants .... not because of nil and non-chalant response in terms of blasting the tent.

The real reason was the massive air transport capability which would have ensured outclassing the chinese defences in a matter of days. Missile deterrence with capabilities enough to make pin-point attacks at specified building in Beijing (CEP in terms of double digits!!). PRC could see, it could not come out alive or even better off in any conveivable scenario.

This is what capability brings ...it does the job, without any weapon being used.



read the above article.
 
Why do you bring up crap such as Chinese premier was told he was not welcome and they have trouble resupply. The only reason Chinese troops went back is because they want India to dismantle the bunkers. When India complied, they went back. Here is a reminder.

India demolishes Himalaya outpost to end China standoff | Reuters

read the above article.



The tin-shed at chumar was put up after chinese incursion .... It is exactly back to status-quo (except PRC had to stand n_u_d_e for 3 weeks in front of the world).

"A tin shed structure put up by the Indian troops at Chumar area in Ladakh, three days after the Chinese incursion in Depsang, was the bargaining chip that led to a resolution between the two countries. "

No deal with China, says Salman Khurshid; India removed tin shed at Chumar - Indian Express

And India wouldn't just have set up posts .. but effectlively beaten the $hit out of PRC had they not dismantled the incursion.

You should be happy the PRC was allowed a face-saver ..... though how much it helped no-one knows.

PRC stood naked on the world stage for full 3 weeks .. and eveyone saw.
 
Why do you bring up crap such as Chinese premier was told he was not welcome and they have trouble resupply. The only reason Chinese troops went back is because they want India to dismantle the bunkers. When India complied, they went back. Here is a reminder.

India demolishes Himalaya outpost to end China standoff | Reuters





read the above article.

THe CHumar bunkers were set up only because of Chinese incursion inside Indian territory. And how were Chinese planning to resupply? Because the Chinese stand was there was no incursion at all.

And you are back to your tactics of derailing a thread....again.
 
THe CHumar bunkers were set up only because of Chinese incursion inside Indian territory. And how were Chinese planning to resupply? Because the Chinese stand was there was no incursion at all.

And you are back to your tactics of derailing a thread....again.

PRC is very well pretending in front of the world as "The emperor with no clothes."

And faithfulguy continues to pretend that actually its wearing exotic clothes which are just "invisible" to fools' eyes. :laugh:

What does "the emperor has no clothes" mean? - Yahoo! Answers

The world continues to laugh at what PRC did to itself, with the "tent". :laugh:
 
The tin-shed at chumar was put up after chinese incursion .... It is exactly back to status-quo (except PRC had to stand n_u_d_e for 3 weeks in front of the world).

"A tin shed structure put up by the Indian troops at Chumar area in Ladakh, three days after the Chinese incursion in Depsang, was the bargaining chip that led to a resolution between the two countries. "

No deal with China, says Salman Khurshid; India removed tin shed at Chumar - Indian Express

And India wouldn't just have set up posts .. but effectlively beaten the $hit out of PRC had they not dismantled the incursion.

You should be happy the PRC was allowed a face-saver ..... though how much it helped no-one knows.

PRC stood naked on the world stage for full 3 weeks .. and eveyone saw.

I do not trust the media from your country. Reuters is more reliable. There was definitely a deal between the two countries. China send 30 troops to force India to dismantle a bunker, after India agree, the Chinese troops return home. Indian Express must be a pro Waitress newspaper as her son would have no chance next year if the facts are known.
 
I do not trust the media from your country. Reuters is more reliable. There was definitely a deal between the two countries. China send 30 troops to force India to dismantle a bunker, after India agree, the Chinese troops return home. Indian Express must be a pro Waitress newspaper as her son would have no chance next year if the facts are known.

India demolishes Himalaya outpost to end China standoff | Reuters
(Reuters) - India has agreed to a Chinese demand to demolish a remote army position near their de facto border in the Himalayas, Indian sources said, as part of a deal to end a standoff that threatened to scupper slowly improving relations.

Indian and Chinese soldiers faced off 100 meters (330 feet) apart on a plateau near the Karakoram mountain range, where they fought a war 50 years ago, for three weeks until they reached a deal on Sunday for both sides to withdraw.

The tension had threatened to overshadow a visit by the Indian foreign minister to Beijing on May 9. China's Premier Li Keqiang is expected to visit India later this month.

India said up to 50 Chinese soldiers set up camp in its territory on the western rim of the Himalayas on April 15. Some Indian officials and experts believed the incursion signaled Chinese concern about increased Indian activity in the area.

The Chinese camp was in an area India said was 19 km (12 miles) beyond what it understands to be the border in the Ladakh region of Kashmir, a vaguely defined line called the Line of Actual Control, which neither side agrees on.

Details of the deal have not been made public and there were differing versions about what had been dismantled. A source with direct knowledge of the decision making in New Delhi said India agreed to take down a temporary metal-roofed shelter in the Chumar area, further south along the disputed border.

The source said the dismantled shelter had been erected in Chumar shortly after China set up camp on the plateau.

However, an official from the Indian army's northern command said India had taken down more permanent structures from Chumar.

"The bunkers in Chumar were dismantled after we acceded to Chinese demand in the last flag meeting. These bunkers were live-in bunkers," the army officer told Reuters on Tuesday.

China won the border war they fought in 1962, which soured relations for decades, but ties between the Asian giants have been improving. China is India's top trade partner and the two occasionally hold joint military exercises.

India has been beefing up its military presence for several years on the remote Ladakh plateau, building roads and runways to catch up with Chinese development across the border in a disputed area known as Aksai Chin

The decision to agree to the Chinese demand followed heavy criticism of the Indian government over its handling of the incident by the opposition.

An official in India's Defense Ministry said on Monday the deal to end the standoff was "quid pro quo" and said China had also demanded India take down listening and observation posts in the Chumar area, which is close to a Chinese road through Tibet.

The source in New Delhi denied India was dismantling anything more than the border shelter.


(Reporting by Fayaz Bukhari in SRINAGAR; Additional reporting by Nigam Prusty; Writing by Frank Jack Daniel; Editing by Alison Williams)


From your own site.
 
I do not trust the media from your country. Reuters is more reliable. There was definitely a deal between the two countries. China send 30 troops to force India to dismantle a bunker, after India agree, the Chinese troops return home. Indian Express must be a pro Waitress newspaper as her son would have no chance next year if the facts are known.

Jesus! Even chinese and taiwanese have gotten into the Congress Vs BJP debate! Now I've seen everything!
 
So.... :laugh:

faithfulguy will now say that even Reuters is a fool ... it can't see the emperor's "exotic" but "invisible" clothes. :laugh:

The title said it all. India dismantled the border post to end China stand off.
 
The title said it all. India dismantled the border post to end China stand off.

c'mon... be gracious in defeat.

or do you prefer wearing bangles and weeping in a lonely gutter.

hehe.. Reuters cheated you.. damn Reuters. :laugh:
 
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