Remember what happened during Israel and middle East war? Israel won with clear dominance instead of being small in size both land as well as population and not to forget their military size ...
I beg to differ. Comparing Israel/Arab situation with Pak/India is not the same. Arab incompetence was the reason for Israel's victory. India isn't inept like the Arabs. Let's look at just one example below...the Six Day War...where a smaller Israeli airforce took out larger Arab airforces.
IAF had roughly 200 planes to go up against roughly 600 of combined Arab forces it was going to face. So they decided to carry out preemptive strikes in order to destroy Arab aircrafts on the ground. First Egypt was on the list bcuz Egypt was by far the biggest threat and they also had like 30 Il-28 bombers, which would've pounded away at Israeli targets and needed to be eliminated. This started operation Moked.
Israel's brilliant planning/execution...
- getting 183 planes in the air...all combat ready. This was 183 out of like 200 or so. This is impressive in its own right
- Israelis had collected intel during peacetime and had their targets pre selected.
- Israelis had planned/trained for this operation they carried out on that day for a long time, which shows that they prepared for all eventualities/scenarios.
- Israeli ground crews had practiced the rearming and refueling of returning aircraft in less than eight minutes, which allowed the strike aircraft of the first wave to fly in the second. It's due to this that after the initial first wave attack on Egyptian airbases, the second wave came in after a pause of just 10 minutes
Egyptian incompetence...
- Jordanians had picked up on their radars a huge number of Israeli aircrafts taking off and sent a coded warning to Egyptians...but the Egyptians had changed their codes the day before without bothering to inform the Jordanians.
- the commanders of the Egyptian armed forces and air force were away from their posts on an inspection tour, flying aboard a transport as the Israeli aircraft came in...they didn't want their own antiaircraft gunners to mistake them for Israelis and blast them out of the skies, so they had ordered that Egyptian air defenses not to fire on any aircraft while the transport plane was in the air.
In just under three hours Egypt lost 293 of its nearly five hundred aircraft...including all of its Tu-16 and Il-28 along with 185 MiG fighters.
Syria/Jordan/Iraq met with similar fates afterwards. Once a majority of the enemy jets were destroyed on the ground, Israel easily established air superiority...this ensured victory bcuz when ur enemy has air superiority all the marching tank columns and troops on the ground are just sitting ducks.
India has demonstrated in its past wars with Pak that it is not inept in fighting wars. It can easily keep up with Pak in terms of planning/strategizing/execution. So this comparison with Arabs/Israel doesn't apply.
It's quality and technology that matters ... With good economy and better gadgets we can easily out smart them ...and not to forget what our religion teaches us ... 313 Vs 1000 well equipped ...As a Muslim we believe that victory comes from ALLAH
Right...quality and technology are indeed very important but that's a fictional scenario as of now. As things stand today...India either matches us or exceeds in terms of technology for all the war equipment. This is why it's imperative that Pak improves its economic situation.
As for the 313 vs 1000...again I would say that comparison doesn't apply here. There are many non Muslim militaries that have won decisive victories of Muslim militaries throughout centuries. In fact right after Ghazwa-e-Badr(the one u referenced), there was Ghazwa-e-Uhud...where Muslims lost. Many of the ones from Ghazwa-e-Badr participated in that one too...Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) was there fighting as well...and yet Muslims lost. There's a lesson to be learned there. Muslims lost because of tactical error. On part of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH), he did his job...he identified a key area that needed to be protected and its through there that Muslims got flanked bcuz the ppl tasked with securing that area didn't do their job.
God doesn't come down to give Muslims an upper hand. Nor are u always guaranteed some favor of God just bcuz u are Muslim(in name only). If that was the case then Muslims would never have lost a battle...and non Muslims would have caught on to that phenomenon by now and turned Muslims themselves. God has instructed Muslims to follow a basic set of rules...and if non Muslims follow them, they end up reaping the same rewards. One example that comes to mind is unity. It is highly stressed upon...and yet Muslims of today don't have it. Each mullah is busy trying to prove that their sect or their interpretation of Islam is right...while declaring the others kafir. Each Muslim country is busy doing their own thing...Arabs/Iranians have a power struggle going on between them. All of this infighting weakens Muslim countries around the world. In comparison the western countries are all united. Western European countries/Australia/Canada/US stand together on their agenda. Together they put sanctions on whatever country that doesn't fall in line and bring it to its knees economically. Muslim countries with their collective economy, supply of oil(Middle East), population(labor), trade, etc. would also be a force to be reckoned with if they stood together.
We(Muslims) were once pioneers in mathematics, sciences, arts...we had brilliant generals like Khalid Bin Walid...unquestioning devoted followers who didn't hesitate to burn their boats on the order of Tariq Bin Ziyad...we were united when we were Muslims. But what are we now?...as Iqbal had put it in Jawab-e-Shikwa...
یوں تو سید بھی ہو، مرزا بھی ہو، افغان بھی ہو
تم سبھی کچھ ہو، بتاؤ مسلمان بھی ہو
Anyways I digress...the point is that just having the label of Muslim grants us no special favors from God...it is our actions that matter. Following the path that God has set is what leads to greatness.
Besides good to see rapid modernization of navy ..if we compare what they had and what they have on order ..there is some serious thought process going in within the ranks of navy .. although the quality of Chinese submarines is yet to be seen ..but on paper 4 frigates 8 subs and 4 corvette on order is a good jump
Coming back to topic from my long rant...I'm highly in favor of the 8 submarines. Since due to economic reasons it is hard to keep up with India conventionally...especially in terms of Navy bcuz naval assets are really expensive as compared to tanks and jets...Pak should in the meantime turn to asymmetric counters. Submarines are a great A2/AD asset. No matter how big the Indian navy those 8 + 3(upgraded) submarines will be a thorn that will keep it from advancing to Pak's shores unhindered.
In airforce we just need one more platform in 4.5+ generation category with 54 in number i.e. 3 squadrons and we will be good to go
This may or may not be possible depending on economic situation. PAF's limited resources are already highly invested in JF17 block III and NGF(under Azm). The economy is barely hanging on with looming debt repayment crisis. Maybe J10s financed on loans?
As of now we need to work on economy everything else will automatically fall in place
Yes...that's the one thing that will solve all problems and for that all Pakistanis need to work hard and work in unison.
