Indian CBG to have 7 Escorts

[Archie]

no mate, i am always for 3+ AC's in IN until i came to this thread, the important thing is that we want to patrol entire IO & if possible send our ships elsewhere, in that respect my concerns are legitimate.

One thing needs to be understood is that even in 2017 when Both Vikramaditya and Vikrant are in service , India will operationally Deploy only one Carrier out at sea at all times ,
While other will be undergoing either Maintenance or Used for conducting training exercise
An aircraft carrier normally spends 6-8 Months at sea , while IN is looking to deploy its carriers for 200-220 days a yr at sea

So their is a likely hood that both carriers will be operationally available for only 2 months in a yr
Hence we are likely to see initially only 1 CBG comprising 7 warships to be deployed

Same will be the case when IAC2 ENTERS SERVICE IN 2022-24

IAC 2 will ensure that India has two carriers at sea , at all times
Also By the time IAC 2 enters service , our P-17A , P-15B, P-28A and Kirvak IV Projects would have completed and IN would be having 10 Destroyers , 22 Frigates and 16 Corvettes , 4-6 Tankers in service along with 14 SSK, 4 SSBN and 1-2 SSN

So I am pretty sure we would be able to support 2 CBG AT ANY ONE TIME

As far as 3 CBGs are concerned , well we are unlikely to see 3 of them operationally deployed , since that would require atleast 4 Aircraft carriers to be available to us
And going by Indian Govt and Indian Shipyards slowness ,
By the time IAC 3 starts to entering service , it would probably be yr 2033 and we would be looking to find a suitable replacement for Vikramaditya , which has an expiry date of 2040-43

 

[Archie]

Japan would not have 3 aircraft carriers that would carry over 100 combat aircraft.

These aircraft would be very difficult for the Japanese to handle.

The technological gap would be there but not significant.

Anyway nice to see an Indian who is prepared to be objective for once.

Yeah
But I still consider having 30 Frigates , 15 Destroyers , 12 Heavy ASW Corvettes , 3-4 LPH, 20 SSK and 10 SSN/SSBN as a better alternative than having

22 Frigates , 10 Destroyers , 16 Large ASW Corvettes , 14 SSK , 6 SSBN/SSN and 3 Aircraft carriers and 4 LPD/LPH

 

[UKBengali]

Yeah
But I still consider having 30 Frigates , 15 Destroyers , 12 Heavy ASW Corvettes , 20 SSK and 10 SSN/SSBN as a better alternative than having

22 Frigates , 10 Destroyers , 12 Large ASW Corvettes , 14 SSK , 6 SSBN/SSN and 3 Aircraft carriers and 4 LPD/LPH

Where did the SSN /SSBN come from as Japanese Navy has no plans to acquire nuclear submarines as far as I am aware?

 

[Archie]

Where did the SSN /SSBN come from as Japanese Navy has no plans to acquire nuclear submarines as far as I am aware?

No you got me wrong

I said that I would rather have a fleet of 30 Frigates , 15 Destroyers , 12 Heavy ASW Corvettes , 3-4 LPH, 20 SSK and 10 SSN/SSBN

Than Having a fleet of 22 Frigates , 10 Destroyers , 16 Large ASW Corvettes , 14 SSK , 6 SSBN/SSN and 3 Aircraft carriers and 4 LPD/LPH

Which we are likely to operate by 2024

 

[tvsram1992]

Indian Navy will become a very powerful one by the end of this decade.
I think it will be fourth after 1.US, 2.China, 3.Russia.

Russia will be the second but considering the strategic location of India , even if PLN has three times the no. of warships of IN , China cannot tak over us in Naval superiority .

 

[keerthan]

Russia will be the second but considering the strategic location of India , even if PLN has three times the no. of warships of IN , China cannot tak over us in Naval superiority .

They can't beat us in IOR and we can't beat their supremacy in SCS

 

[timetravel]

They can't beat us in IOR and we can't beat their supremacy in SCS

India could beat them in SCS with little or no support from the ASEAN countries... Indian position in SCS is much more stronger then PLAN position in Indian Ocean...

Indian Navy will become a very powerful one by the end of this decade.

I think it will be fourth after 1.US, 2.China, 3.Russia.

US, Russia, India in that order and after that maybe Japan, China or maybe China, Japan.

 

[UKBengali]

Russia will be the second but considering the strategic location of India , even if PLN has three times the no. of warships of IN , China cannot tak over us in Naval superiority .

Russia simply cannot be 2nd as China will have at least 3 aircraft carriers by 2020 and maybe 2 more.

China will simply outclass Russia in advanced destroyers like Type-052D and the Type-054B frigates that Russia will have no match for.

Only area where Russia may have a slight lead will be SSNs but the Chinese may be able to field a relatively good SSN in the forthcoming Type-095 SSN.

China will dominate Russia in the quality and number of destroyers, frigates and aircraft carriers.



No way Russian Navy can match Chinese in 2020.


It will then be US versus China in the 2020s

Russia will be the second but considering the strategic location of India , even if PLN has three times the no. of warships of IN , China cannot tak over us in Naval superiority .

Yes they can.

 

[timetravel]

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China will simply outclass Russia in advanced destroyers like Type-052D and the Type-054B frigates that Russia will have no match for

mate like a Chinese CLAIMED 5th Gen fighter can never reach Russian FIghter standards of today till 2045 similarly a Chinese CLAIMED frigate can not match the Russians ones of today till 2045. Now they can come up with even more numbers in future like 53,54,55,56. That numbering the PLAN can change in 2 months also if it likes.

 

[black_jack]

Ideally CBG should contain 6-7 ships , two air defence destroyer/frigate , one ASW frigate , one mineswiper and one tanker and two submarines preferably SSN's

 

[black_jack]

Russia simply cannot be 2nd as China will have at least 3 aircraft carriers by 2020 and maybe 2 more.

China will simply outclass Russia in advanced destroyers like Type-052D and the Type-054B frigates that Russia will have no match for.

Only area where Russia may have a slight lead will be SSNs but the Chinese may be able to field a relatively good SSN in the forthcoming Type-095 SSN.

China will dominate Russia in the quality and number of destroyers, frigates and aircraft carriers.



No way Russian Navy can match Chinese in 2020.


It will then be US versus China in the 2020s



Yes they can.

Why u raising Chinese stick in every indian thread dont you have your own ????
After how many years your Chinese friends will get experience of naval warfare ??????????

 

[mautkimaut]

Russia simply cannot be 2nd as China will have at least 3 aircraft carriers by 2020 and maybe 2 more.

China will simply outclass Russia in advanced destroyers like Type-052D and the Type-054B frigates that Russia will have no match for.

Only area where Russia may have a slight lead will be SSNs but the Chinese may be able to field a relatively good SSN in the forthcoming Type-095 SSN.

China will dominate Russia in the quality and number of destroyers, frigates and aircraft carriers.



No way Russian Navy can match Chinese in 2020.


It will then be US versus China in the 2020s




Yes they can.

What happened Buddy too much Chinese splooge in mouth ?

 

[angeldude13]

Russia simply cannot be 2nd as China will have at least 3 aircraft carriers by 2020 and maybe 2 more.

China will simply outclass Russia in advanced destroyers like Type-052D and the Type-054B frigates that Russia will have no match for.

Only area where Russia may have a slight lead will be SSNs but the Chinese may be able to field a relatively good SSN in the forthcoming Type-095 SSN.

China will dominate Russia in the quality and number of destroyers, frigates and aircraft carriers.



No way Russian Navy can match Chinese in 2020.


It will then be US versus China in the 2020s



Yes they can.

chinese are good but they lack experience in naval warfare.maybe they will beat russia in 2 or 3 decades in term of naval technology if everything goes right for them they will even beat united states but now they are no match of russia and us.they also lack experience in operating aircraft carrier.actually they have no experience in operating acc.
i need source for you claiming that china will have 3 aircraft carriers.....
indian ocean is dominated by only two naval forces one is the us and other is india.there is no way china can beat us in our own water.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Is this not a serious drain of resources of IN, IN already have shortage of warships, now with 3 AC's by the end of decade, 21 warships will be needed for it's escort, that means we will have 21+3 = 24 ships present at only 3 places of the ocean at a time, how we will cover entire Indian Ocean???

The ACs would not be provided full escort every time... Only during war, it is provided 7 or 8 escorts... During peace time operation maybe 2 or 3 are given... In Indian waters, it may even operate alone...

 

[UKBengali]

chinese are good but they lack experience in naval warfare.maybe they will beat russia in 2 or 3 decades in term of naval technology if everything goes right for them they will even beat united states but now they are no match of russia and us.they also lack experience in operating aircraft carrier.actually they have no experience in operating acc.
i need source for you claiming that china will have 3 aircraft carriers.....
indian ocean is dominated by only two naval forces one is the us and other is india.there is no way china can beat us in our own water.

Where is the Russian counter to the Type-052C destroyer?

There is none.

China has surpassed Russia in destroyer technology now.

Also China's economy is predicted to be larger than the US by 2020.

How on earth can Russia produce the numbers then to match China?


Definite source for China having three aircraft carriers by 2020?

I cannot be bothered to locate the thread but someone on this forum did post that the Chinese plan is to have the Varyag, 2 conventional carriers and 6 nuclear carriers in all. This will most likely happen by around 2030 when the Chinese will be hoping to match the US Navy.

Remember that most experts predict the Chinese economy to be much larger than the US one by 2030.

China will eventually have a Navy comparable to the US and all others will be swept aside in any Ocean on this planet by those two, unless they face each other.