Indian Army used artillery & heavy mortars on LOC targeting Civilian Population

[PakistaniJunior]

@masterchief_mirza I understand why you're so hard on them now. Took me some time but now i understand how you and many others feel. (Though i'll still try to keep my approach balanced as before)

 

[IceCold]

It is instructive that you choose to single out Dolund (the correct Modi version) Trump and the Chinese to exemplify Indian allies. Comment is superfluous.

Whether or not you find something as superfluous, does not change the fact does it?

What I get from this is the overwhelming superiority of one side over the other with regard to their being able to do magic with numbers. It still remains a 'fact' that India has 700,000 troops in Kashmir, it still remains a fact that two Indian jets were shot down. What fratricide you are referring to is not clear; perhaps now you are in the very process of inventing the zero, and the infiltrators who were killed by the five men of the Paratroopers are now none. There is this magic about your entire post.

It is also intriguing to find that the bombing of one location is now again (by magic?) extrapolated to the bombing of all locations, both known and unknown, or that rear camps are now conflated with launch pads on the LOC. As mentioned before, instructive.

One cannot read your posts without coming away enlightened.

This Fractricide:
https://www.airforcetimes.com/flash...r-force-says-it-shot-down-its-own-helicopter/
You cant be that oblivious to reality Joe or has the age finally caught up?
Bombing of a location as it turns out the coordinates being circulated by India as ammo dump are also turning out to be fake as there is only civilian population there and not ammunition. Not that it comes as a surprise since this is all India under Modi has been doing, making one claim after the other for domestic consumption. I dont know which zeros are you referring to since i never made a claim on anything other than what is already known in the public domain. 400-500 is the claim made by India, the only magic that we didnt knew we had was to somehow make such a huge number disappear.

 

[Balbir]

We need to hit IA hard

Noting happened after 5th August. To ab kya?

There will be CFVs every month for few days like it is for last 30 years.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Maybe, maybe not,

There is no maybe. We often argue that the military is a reflection of the society it is recruited from. This is an Indian military from the same society that elected hate mongering bigots to power in India nationally. It is an Indian military that has had no qualms about perpetrating atrocities on civilians in Indian Occupied Kashmir - atrocities on innocent people that the Indian government considers ‘Indian Citizens’. There is no reason to agree or be polite about the fact that this disgusting and disgraceful institution of the Indian Military would have any qualms about massacring innocent people on the Pakistani side of the LoC.

Don’t turn into a Pakistani leftist for the sake of building friendships and extend ‘equal equal’ or ‘both sides do this’ olive branch BS to Indians on this issue. There is no longer any comparison to be made between the Indian military & Pakistani military on this issue.

 

[Side-Winder]

I am sure of it because of how LOC curves in Keran sector. We can see from the drone footage the artillery strikes were few hundred meters on the South bank of Neelam river.

South bank Neelum river lies well on Pakistani side LOC in Keran sector.

Neelum river is much wider than this Nala. You know LoC so well in keran sector, Why dont you track the river in keran sector and put a pin on google earth where the video footage is taken from? should take 5 minutes at most.

 

[Osiris]

Is the LOC at the Keran sector the only place in the world that curves???????.......................keep going this is hilarious.........

Forget about India, even Pakistan accepts that artillery strikes took place in Keran sector.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

He is clearly talking about Abhinandan's MiG-21 since his Mig crash site in AJK was just 4 km from our sher makadi tehsil in J&K

Distance between Sher Makadi & MiG-21 crash site (Latitude: 33° 13' 54.6" North Longitude: 73° 57' 23.4" East) is about 5 km. And as Sher Makadi is just 2 km from LoC any crash smoke/fire there would be visible to Pakistanis just like MiG-21 crash smoke was visible to Indians. Which means Pakistanis would have then posted pics of smoke or fire on Indian side of LoC.

Also since the MiG-21 crash site was so close to Sher Makadi he though it might have crashed there. We know that Abhinandan MiG-21 came from the direction of Rajauri so his description matches exactly with Abhinandan MiG-21. He says he saw a plane crashing near Sher Makadi which is just 5 km from actual crash site of Abhinandan so he might have though that Abhinandan's falling plane came down in sher makadi.

Also he clearly mentions he saw ONE pilot ejecting whcih matches with Abhinandan MiG 21 description as Sukhois have two pilots

Most importantly he says he was behind a hill which means he did not have line of sight to crash site (could not direvtly see it).

Even prominent western Think tank DFRLab agrees that the MiG-21 was hit when it was moving towards India

Do you read what you post? Half your theory depends on the witness precisely indicating a crash site while the other half depends on the same witness making a mistake. So if he's accurate in positioning, your counter argument is that no Pakistani saw anything so it can't be trusted what this Indian said??

As for 2km, it isn't a given that smoke can be seen at that distance and it isn't a given that Pakistanis would be standing there looking. If you wish to deny your countryman and depend on Pakistani testimony because it suits you, fair enough, but you're being disingenuous.

If he's confused over positions well that's a great way to escape the assertions of any eye witness account - "he's got it wrong m'Lord".

A plane went down, which wasn't an f16 and wasn't Nandu's.

 

[IceCold]

Forget about India, even Pakistan accepts that artillery strikes took place in Keran sector.

Shukar ha janab Artillery tak he raha hain app log or kahin air strikes nahi bana din.
By the way artillery is used frequently by both sides, what is there not to accept other than the fact that there was no ammo dump as being told by India and all India managed was to hit civilians which is a common trait for Indian army to attack civilians.
Now hold your horses and sit tight. You will get a response rest assured.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Forget about India, even Pakistan accepts that artillery strikes took place in Keran sector.

Yes on civilian population.

 

[Osiris]

Shukar ha janab Artillery tak he raha hain app log or kahin air strikes nahi bana din.
By the way artillery is used frequently by both sides, what is there not to accept other than the fact that there was no ammo dump as being told by India and all India managed was to hit civilians which is a common trait for Indian army to attack civilians.
Now hold your horses and sit tight. You will get a response rest assured.

If there was no ammo dump, then there wouldn't have been any secondary explosions, as seen in the drone footage.

 

[IceCold]

If there was no ammo dump, then there wouldn't have been any secondary explosions, as seen in the drone footage.

If you insist. I am not the one presenting you with coordinates, these are being given by India and one can see where those coordinates take you. All you have to do was to check google instead of replying to me in haste.

 

[Osiris]

Yes on civilian population.

So atleast this much we can agree that artillery shells fell on Pakistan's side of LOC and in Keran sector. As opposed to what many Pakistani are claiming.

Now whether the targets that were hit were a ammo dump and terror pads or civilian homes that remain the subject of debate.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Forget about India, even Pakistan accepts that artillery strikes took place in Keran sector.

...........that means NOTHING if you don't have actual genuine evidence. Firing occurs often on the LOC........So, WHERE is the GENUINE evidence which proves the initial indian claims????...................like all indians you probably have 0 proof.........

 

[Osiris]

If you insist. I am not the one presenting you with coordinates, these are being given by India and one can see where those coordinates take you. All you have to do was to check google instead of replying to me in haste.

Coordinates are being given by amature civilians and not the Indian army.

...........that means NOTHING if you don't have actual genuine evidence. Firing occurs often on the LOC........So, WHERE is the GENUINE evidence which proves the initial indian claims????...................like all indians you probably have 0 proof.........

You can ask your government, where the firing took place, they will give you the same answer as me.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Forget about India, even Pakistan accepts that artillery strikes took place in Keran sector.

Indian ceasefire violations and unprovoked attacked on civilians are not in question - what is in question and what remains unsubstantiated are Indian claims of material or human casualties inflicted upon the PA in said strikes, much like the unsubstantiated claims of previous ‘surgical strikes’.

The entire world analyzed the failed Indian Balakot strikes and came to the same conclusion as Pakistan - that the Indian Government and Military were full of BS. It’ll require a significant amount of verifiable evidence to trust anything the Indian Military & Govt say about so called strikes.