While i do not see this debate going anywhere because the nature of topic, i understand that no side will want to back off or even out in much effort to keep the discussion progress in a civilized manner, i still have one point to share.
At that time, the Indians had a false sense of superiority, the superpower delusion they face today was present at that time as well. One little thing that we achieved was woke them from that wet dream, we broke there false sense grandeur and invincibility with a brigade level fight. The IAF with all its tall claims of much superior air planes and huge numbers was NOT able to achieve what they SHOULD have, complete air control wrecking havoc on PA. I know a common response to this will be a few videos from plane's camera, showing bombs hitting the posts. These are the same videos different people use at different time under different heading but for anyone who is interested in actually learning something from this debate, understand the actual meaning of what i said. "complete air control wrecking havoc on PA.", the claims at that time will make you think that the planes alone could come down and gobble up our tanks and artillery as well without even belching! THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. The EGO was hurt badly, the false sense of bravado was exposed and the tall claims of complete dominance and superiority came crashing down. For me, that is a win enough now. We see some senior officials from Indian army and other walks of life, coming forward every now and then and admitting to all these failures, much to the dismay of general Indian public, cannot blame either one of them for that!
