Ex President and Ex COAS General Pervez Musharraf Passes Away

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Arshad Shariff the Karachi born investigative journalist a civilian's janaza was far bigger than any Army General's in history of Pakistan...shows the real value Pakistanis: 220 millions have in their hearts and how to honor someone uplifting his after life in highest levels of jannah.

Good for you that you had to do a popularity contest for people in their death.

 

[Meengla]

Giving americans open access was his most damaging move. Not as if his other policies were any good. But due to handing over everything to americans, we have an american agent at the helm of every institution. And we will be dealing with american agents for decades to come. All due to the deep infiltration by US in musharf time.

No. American Agents came during Zia ul Haq and never left.
I have said it in this forum before: The last truly independent leader of Pakistan was Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. No leader was as enslaved before him and no leader as free after him. The consequences of the 'Jihad' against the Soviets will stay with Pakistan for a long time.

 

[TheSolution]

No. American Agents came during Zia ul Haq and never left.
I have said it in this forum before: The last truly independent leader of Pakistan was Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. No leader was as enslaved before him and no leader as free after him. The consequences of the 'Jihad' against the Soviets will stay with Pakistan for a long time.

Nah, you can disagree with Zia’s policy but he was a free man, his wings were not clipped, he was a bit too free for America's liking with his Islamist ideology that continued even after the defeat of the Soviets hence they had him killed.

But indeed we are suffering from that Jihad and its side effects in society - the operations could have been much better managed. Although in my personal opinion it was the right decision to get involved - just execution was not well planned or consequences thought of, to try mitigate them.

 

[Meengla]

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A little too much 'facts' for this forum.
9/11 and the American 'aid' happened after almost two years of Musharraf taking power. But between Oct. 1999 and Sept. 2001, Musharraf had already started to reverse the utter destruction left by the 'Amir ul Mominoon' Prime Minister Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
Yes, the American 'aid' helped, but wouldn't a totally corrupt govt like Nawaz Sharif's basically squander that??

 

[Menace2Society]

A little too much 'facts' for this forum.
9/11 and the American 'aid' happened after almost two years of Musharraf taking power. But between Oct. 1999 and Sept. 2001, Musharraf had already started to reverse the utter destruction left by the 'Amir ul Mominoon' Prime Minister Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
Yes, the American 'aid' helped, but wouldn't a totally corrupt govt like Nawaz Sharif's basically squander that??

The Sharifs would have sacrificed Baluchistan and KPK to the Taliban to save Punjab. This incompetent family has cost Pakistan a lot of money and reputation over the years. I don't why the public tolerate it. Only in Pakistan.

 

[undercover JIX]

It is Uncle Sam who needs to be thanked for that, not the General.

Uncle sam can only get the credit, when something goes good, can never take blame for his sh@t.

Your are Uncle SAM's Patwari and Youthis in one.

Giving americans open access was his most damaging move. Not as if his other policies were any good. But due to handing over everything to americans, we have an american agent at the helm of every institution. And we will be dealing with american agents for decades to come. All due to the deep infiltration by US in musharf time.

Pakistan is very unlucky that we do not have people like you who can predict fack up of future generations.

Some people love to blame past / elders for their own failure.

 

[Meengla]

Nah, you can disagree with Zia’s policy but he was a free man, his wings were not clipped, he was a bit too free for America's liking with his Islamist ideology that continued even after the defeat of the Soviets hence they had him killed.

But indeed we are suffering from that Jihad and its side effects in society - the operations could have been much better managed. Although in my personal opinion it was the right decision to get involved - just execution was not well planned or consequences thought of, to try mitigate them.

"just the execution"? What's left outside of the 'execution'? Allowing untold foreign fighters, spies, huge money to come to Pakistan while hurling fire at a Super Power occupied Afghanistan and brainwashing untold number of people to 'train' to blow themselves up in Afghanistan--never mind some of them would eventually be 'co-opted' by Pakistan's enemies to harm Pakistan itself--which they sure did and are doing till this day.

And, yes, allowing money loaded foreign spies to come in huge numbers inside Pakistan to set up the network of Jihadis was going to inevitably lead to at least some of them staying behind or finding 'moles' in Pakistan. The Pakistan of 1979 was different from the Pakistan of 1989. In just 10 years, perhaps no such large nation changed so much as Pakistan did in human history!!! At least I can't find an example in modern human history. A Sufi-oriented Muslim nation turned into a hotbed of fanaticism, of rented-Jihadis, political parties deeply compromised by foreign money, and indeed a country full of moles and spies.

Having said that, I have never questioned Zia ul Haq's financial integrity or his 'patriotism'. He was, like Mullah Umer of Taliban, just another religious fanatic but without a beard.

 

[undercover JIX]

Nah, you can disagree with Zia’s policy but he was a free man, his wings were not clipped, he was a bit too free for America's liking with his Islamist ideology that continued even after the defeat of the Soviets hence they had him killed.

But indeed we are suffering from that Jihad and its side effects in society - the operations could have been much better managed. Although in my personal opinion it was the right decision to get involved - just execution was not well planned or consequences thought of, to try mitigate them.

Everything was well planned and managed by His team, hence, the reason whole team needed to be neutralized.

Problems started when his successors failed to stay on course and maintain the focus on larger goal. distractions etc kept drifting them away from the actual policy and plans, and we end up in a huge mess.

 

[Yahya-pdf]

what does every one think of this

 

[Yahya-pdf]

Everything was well planned and managed by His team, hence, the reason whole team needed to be neutralized.

Problems started when his successors failed to stay on course and maintain the focus on larger goal. distractions etc kept drifting them away from the actual policy and plans, and we end up in a huge mess.

when klashnikof cukture and drug culture started President Zia has already embraced Shahadat by then

 

[Olympus81]

LMAO! Compared to what?

Comparing to Zardari/Sharif would not be fair.

But from the point of view, that economic indicators were reasonably stable and no big corruption cases surfaced during his time.

 

[Yahya-pdf]

Comparing to Zardari/Sharif would not be fair.

But from the point of view, that economic indicators were reasonably stable and no big corruption cases surfaced during his time.

 

[Abid123]

Afghan Arab Chechen etc militants won't have expressed their gratitude for throwing them under the bus for their own doings.

I am sure all those 80000 people were Afghan, Arab and Chechen militants. How about you stop your bias?

 

[MastanKhan]

"just the execution"? What's left outside of the 'execution'? Allowing untold foreign fighters, spies, huge money to come to Pakistan while hurling fire at a Super Power occupied Afghanistan and brainwashing untold number of people to 'train' to blow themselves up in Afghanistan--never mind some of them would eventually be 'co-opted' by Pakistan's enemies to harm Pakistan itself--which they sure did and are doing till this day.

And, yes, allowing money loaded foreign spies to come in huge numbers inside Pakistan to set up the network of Jihadis was going to inevitably lead to at least some of them staying behind or finding 'moles' in Pakistan. The Pakistan of 1979 was different from the Pakistan of 1989. In just 10 years, perhaps no such large nation changed so much as Pakistan did in human history!!! At least I can't find an example in modern human history. A Sufi-oriented Muslim nation turned into a hotbed of fanaticism, of rented-Jihadis, political parties deeply compromised by foreign money, and indeed a country full of moles and spies.

Having said that, I have never questioned Zia ul Haq's financial integrity or his 'patriotism'. He was, like Mullah Umer of Taliban, just another religious fanatic but without a beard.

Hi,

Being at Karachi univ before 1979 and after that---pakistanis were ready to change direction---.

Pakistan was an extremely liberal nation before Zia---. The influx of egyptian mullahs brought radicalization into pakistan.

Zia was a great general but a terrible leader---. There was some deviousness in his character---in his religious belief---a loss of direction---a personable man in person---but one with too many conflicting personalities---.

Pervaiz Musharraf otoh was a true warrior to the end---. Against all advise given to him---he trusted Kiyani a little too much and thus paid hard for that trust---.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Yeah, horrible that he passed away. May Allah have mercy on his soul.