India Pakistan Partition

[AUz]

No you are wrong, Islamic conquest happened exactly because India was the richest country on the planet.

Wrong. India wasn't even an country back then. Just many small insignificant states. It was Islamic Rule that united India into bigger , national state. India was richest under Islam.

Anyways...

 

[Bang Galore]

The only country that you can compare to India is Russia and look how they are not part of the EU.


I personally think that an Economic block of all the smaller countries in South Asia could work. But as soon as you include India, it will simply start bullying everyone else.

I agree with your point that south Asia is different from the EU because of the difference in the size of India vis-a-vis her neighbors but how exactly would you make an economic block of the other countries excluding India? Most have them have no connections with any country(of SA) but through India & geography would prevent Pakistan from trading with countries like Nepal & Bhutan in a manner workable for a economic block. Would prevent them from trading with other countries of the proposed block too since such trade would have to be through India for viability.

 

[curioususer]

yea yea kashmiri in india want same rights..dont know who would save their lives and honour from Indian sate terrorism

guess what Bangladesh got separated from pakistan in 1971 but there is not much enmity between pakistani and bangldeshi

No enmity because you don't live side by side and there is no bone of contention between you 2.

Pakistan separated from India in 1947 but still so much enmity between Pakistan and India because of partition and conflicts created by it

that's the differnce

That's because we live side by side and have a bone of contention, not to mention your establishment's competitive attitude towards India.

Pakistan will fight, fight for a thousand years. If.. India builds the (Atom) bomb.... (Pakistan) will eat grass or (leaves), even go hungry, but we (Pakistan) will get one of our own (Atom bomb).... We (Pakistan) have no other Choice!...
—Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Foreign Minister of Pakistan, 1965, statement issued October 1965,

Seriously why such attitude, couldn't yours have focused on development. Our nuclear program was against China, it was using nuclear blackmail against India.

Wrong. India wasn't even an country back then. Just many small insignificant states. It was Islamic Rule that united India into bigger , national state. India was richest under Islam.

Anyways...

No, you're wrong. India wasn't richest under Islamic rule, it became poor under Islamic rule and poorest under colonial rule. It held the imagination of world at large because of which it got attacked by Islamists and colonialists. To outsiders, India at that time meant combination of many small insignificant states. They didn't even know this concept back then.

 

[Rusty]

I agree with your point that south Asia is different from the EU because of the difference in the size of India vis-a-vis her neighbors but how exactly would you make an economic block of the other countries excluding India? Most have them have no connections with any country(of SA) but through India & geography would prevent Pakistan from trading with countries like Nepal & Bhutan in a manner workable for a economic block. Would prevent them from trading with other countries of the proposed block too since such trade would have to be through India for viability.

We have ocean access to Sri Lanka and Bangladesh and Access to Nepal and Bhutan via China, so it can be done.
As for links, we have really good links to Sri Lanka, we have decent relationships with Bangladesh, Nepal we can build relations with them via China so the only real problem state is Bhutan. But all they can really export is their happiness meter, so not a big deal.

If all states want it, it is completely doable.

 

[SwatCat]

That because india was under Islamic Rule and was essentially an Islamic Empire.

From 7th-18th century, Islamic Empires/Powers dominated the world economically, militarily, socially, politically etc....and then came along the scientific/industrial revolution and West took over...

Anyways, indians , specially Nehru, is itself to blame for partition. Muslims didn't want it..Nehru's betrayal caused this to happen

It was not Islamic Empires mate. During Partition all the Islamic guys went to Pakistan and all the traders in Sindh came to India and the result we all know.

India even before Islamic Empires began is an economic power.

It was Muslim League to blame not Nehru.

 

[Bang Galore]

We have ocean access to Sri Lanka and Bangladesh and Access to Nepal and Bhutan via China, so it can be done.
As for links, we have really good links to Sri Lanka, we have decent relationships with Bangladesh, Nepal we can build relations with them via China so the only real problem state is Bhutan. But all they can really export is their happiness meter, so not a big deal.

If all states want it, it is completely doable.

That is why I said in a manner workable for an economic block. What is new about what you suggest? You could do so now. It's about as workable as India working on an economic block with South America. Access is the most important point in any such block, there is no unified block (if done excluding India) and it is pretty much a non-starter. No country in the SAARC region would be interested in a economic block which excludes the biggest economy. India has free trade agreements with other groupings that eack of the individual countries(excluding Pakistan) would be interesting in joining.

 

[ghilzai]

Can we please not forget the balochs and pukhtoons here who share no heritage and culture with Indians and never would have accepted India if partition didn't happen.

We rejected people like ghaffar khan, a soldout Hindu at heart and are grateful that our brothers Punjabis and sindhis rejected India. We decided to build a society of our own in the name of Pakistan with unique culture and heritage.

Islamic if you want to call it or as i call it turco afghan rule was cemented and successful only because of the passion and loyalty of people of sindh and Punjab to their religion and their Muslim brothers.

Indians cry and cry about partition, well its actually Indians went their own way and separated from us, we even welcome them today to join us if they wish to live under the banner of Islam and mughalistans inheritor Pakistan.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Can we please not forget the balochs and pukhtoons here who share no heritage and culture with Indians and never would have accepted India if partition didn't happen.

We rejected people like ghaffar khan, a soldout Hindu at heart and are grateful that our brothers Punjabis and sindhis rejected India. We decided to build a society of our own in the name of Pakistan with unique culture and heritage.

Islamic if you want to call it or as i call it turco afghan rule was cemented and successful only because of the passion and loyalty of people of sindh and Punjab to their religion and their Muslim brothers.

Indians cry and cry about partition, well its actually Indians went their own way and separated from us, we even welcome them today to join us if they wish to live under the banner of Islam and mughalistans inheritor Pakistan.

You surely are underage, if different culture and heritage were the criterea for pashtuns and balochs to reject india and join Pakistan then you are forgetting that pashtuns and balochs do not share culture and heritage with muslims of Punjab, sindh and bengal. Pakistan movement was purely on the basis of muslim nationalism, it was difference of religion which lead to creation of Pakistan, not the difference of culture, heritage, langauge, race etc.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Wrong. India wasn't even an country back then. Just many small insignificant states. It was Islamic Rule that united India into bigger , national state. India was richest under Islam.

Anyways...

Whether you admit it or not , India was always a distinct geographical entity even though it was always divided in many states. When invaders from central asia, iran, arabia crossed river indus they always assumed that they are entering into Hind, the land of hindus despite of its diversity. Same thing can be explained with example of turkistan, no country with such name has ever existed in the history but we use it for central asia which was always divided into numerous states.
Muslims didnt make india richer, it was always rich because of its rich fertile lands and agriculture, all muslim rulers did was to enforce taxes on local people and build beautiful buildings from it.

 

[curioususer]

Whether you admit it or not , India was always a distinct geographical entity even though it was always divided in many states. When invaders from central asia, iran, arabia crossed river indus they always assumed that they are entering into Hind, the land of hindus despite of its diversity. Same thing can be explained with example of turkistan, no country with such name has ever existed in the history but we use it for central asia which was always divided into numerous states.
Muslims didnt make india richer, it was always rich because of its rich fertile lands and agriculture, all muslim rulers did was to enforce taxes on local people and build beautiful buildings from it.

Please accept my friend request.

 

[ThunderCat]

You surely are underage, if different culture and heritage were the criterea for pashtuns and balochs to reject india and join Pakistan then you are forgetting that pashtuns and balochs do not share culture and heritage with muslims of Punjab, sindh and bengal. Pakistan movement was purely on the basis of muslim nationalism, it was difference of religion which lead to creation of Pakistan, not the difference of culture, heritage, langauge, race etc.

Bengal, no. Punjab and Sindh yes. All ethnic groups mentioned are of Indo-Iranic stock. Bangladeshis might be similar in language but not in race and culture.

 

[ghilzai]

You surely are underage, if different culture and heritage were the criterea for pashtuns and balochs to reject india and join Pakistan then you are forgetting that pashtuns and balochs do not share culture and heritage with muslims of Punjab, sindh and bengal. Pakistan movement was purely on the basis of muslim nationalism, it was difference of religion which lead to creation of Pakistan, not the difference of culture, heritage, langauge, race etc.

Yes it was one of the factors but Islam being the main factor.

Would you want to be with someone who you share nothing in common with?.

Ref Pakistani Punjabis and sindhis they have mixed with us to point they didn't feel India no more.

Now you wish to beat the Indian drum, a short while ago you was banging the afghan drum and your pukhtuniyat drum.

Where Do you stand sir, where is your pukhtuniyat you keep babbling in about?.

Bengal, no. Punjab and Sindh yes. All ethnic groups mentioned are of Indo-Iranic stock. Bangladeshis might be similar in language but not in race and culture.

Educate youself there is no indo-iranic there is no Indic in pushtoons or balochs totally different race.

 

[Contrarian]

During most of SA's history, this "India" has rarely been a single entity, that is during occasional empires and such. For the most part, it has been almost a continent, full of little nations, kingdoms and whatnot.
It wasn't until the past millennium that most of "India" was ruled as part of one single country (mostly under the Mughals and the British).
It's a fact well known by educated Indians (or at least I hope).

The partition was, as some member before put it, the 'voice of the Muslims of SA' coming to life.

The fact of the matter is that even though India was divided into different nations with constantly changing geographies and different kingdoms, India was united culturally and most of it by religion. This is one of the reasons why even when different kingdoms or empires came and went, the underlying structure remained the same - why they were able to rule different states of current India.

So when it is said India was always together - it is this which is implied. Most Pakistani's deliberately donot look at it this way and try to define India in a nation state concept - which it was not till British came. India was still India for thousands of years in the way I mentioned and Pakistani's ignore knowing it because it fits in with what they want to think of India.

 

[Mav3rick]

India is the biggest economic power in the world during middle ages and ancient,

Biggest exporter of Gold,Diamonds,cotton and spices.

Knowledge centre of the world with world's first university.

Home to various Dharmas (way of life and achieving eternity) and religions.



I can go on an on and it is a very big list.

And it was Muslims that the British snatched India away from so if anything they should have returned it to the rightful rulers.

 

[Yogi]

partition was a good thing in my opinion n i m happy that it happened at the time of independence itself but i only wish that had it been done in a more civil manner then may be South Asia would have been a much better place to live...