India may raise with Washington use of US-made ATGMs by Pak to target Indian troops

[Arsalan 345]

hahaha raise it who cares! china have similar weapon systems now.we will take it from them.will modi complain to china than? hahaha

 

[randomradio]

With this sentence, your whole argument smashes to the ground. You are too naive and oblivious of the facts and dont seem to have read or understood anything from history.

I dont blame you though as Bollywood sits in india, a country where the majority is infested with animosity towards its neighbors and minorities. At the same time, false chest thumping and fantasy riding seems to be the order of the day while minorities are being killed on the basis of mere false accusations and why not, it is ruled by a mass murderer who keeps selling them false dreams but fails to deliver enough toilets.

Everything you have said so far is contrary to the obvious and is noting but self worshipping.

Sigh! and pathetic.

Please show me what's naive and oblivious in my statements.

Btw, minorities are the safest in India, including minorities within Islam itself.

 

[Dalit]

Please show me what's naive and oblivious in my statements.

Btw, minorities are the safest in India, including minorities within Islam itself.

LOL at minorities are safest in India. Do you say that to please yourself?

Stop deluding and pleasing yourself.

The US is an enemy of Pakistan and that is how Pakistanis view them. You cannot sell the false notion that Pakistan and the US can conduct business as usual. It is over buddy.

 

[Dazzler]

Please show me what's naive and oblivious in my statements.

Btw, minorities are the safest in India, including minorities within Islam itself.

Meanwhile.. how the world sees your country.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/india

https://qz.com/959802/india-is-the-fourth-worst-country-in-the-world-for-religious-violence/

www.indianet.nl/pdf/MinorityRightsViolationsInIndia-2017.pdf

 

[randomradio]

Nice change of goal post. You clearly said BVRs were refused, and when I provided the evidence the context has now changed to alleged refusal of BVR in the initial F16 deal in the 80s.

If you buy primary weapons after 25 years of operating a weapons platform, by all means, please continue this tradition.

So I guess you are agreeing that you knowingly are making illogical arguments, and the justification is that according to you some of my countrymen are also illogical.

Another lost case.

Folks: here is a way to spot someone completely losing his mind in hatred - key is to spot the self contradictory behavior and arguments in the post.

It “suits” you India that Pakistan stays in a certain negative state (Chinese help), and the “slower” Pakistan figures out the better for you - yet in the last 10 or so posts, including this one, you are trying your best that Pakistanis understand this point and reverse the direction ASAP - the reversal according to you will be better for Pakistan and not beneficial for India anymore?

That's because I don't hate Pakistan, I am indifferent towards Pakistan.

My posts are meant to show the Pakistanis that they are only jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire. No country has ever benefited when dealing with a large communist power and the problem is the aftereffects will be felt by India as well. So my objective is to prevent harm to my own country, regardless of what happens to Pakistan. China isn't this "all weather brother" that you think it is.

So Pakistan is better off mending ties with India rather than look towards another sugar daddy to protect you from 'big bad' India.

And as usual you missed to respond on your claim of Chinese refusal for sharing the so called 3rd gen ATGMs tech with Pakistan, when Indians have been alleging China of sharing tech of much more strategic nature - nukes, missiles etc. - which is also be a voilation of MTCR and NPT.

When did I say the Chinese will refuse Pakistan 3rd gen ATGMs?

The rest are irrelevant because the Chinese can't be seen sharing sensitive technology. For smaller stuff, the primary driver will be financial.

China will provide assistance to the point where they believe is enough to satisfy their own requirements, nothing more. For everything else, Pakistan will have to beg and plead, and when that happens, it's nice to have a competing partner that can force China to sell to maintain influence.

Imagine Pakistan being in the middle of a seesaw, with the US and China on either side. Pakistan simply rolls over to whoever pulls their weight most. The game ends if one player leaves. It is in Pakistan's interest that the game continues because that's the only way ensure Pakistan's, or I should actually say Pakistan Army's, survival.

I think you are in denial mode. The US has no leverage over Pakistan. Even a blind person knows that by now. US frustration is visible on a daily basis.

If Pakistan is falling in line it would immediately deliver on the do more demand.

The Indians and Americans will have to accept that Pakistan firmly belongs in the China camp. There is no escape from this reality.

The US has way more leverage over Pakistan than you think.

It would help to google the conditions the US made after which Pakistan joined the US WoT.

Meanwhile.. how the world sees your country.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/india

https://qz.com/959802/india-is-the-fourth-worst-country-in-the-world-for-religious-violence/

www.indianet.nl/pdf/MinorityRightsViolationsInIndia-2017.pdf

Why don't you go ask the Shias and Ahmadiyyas in India?

 

[Path-Finder]

Butt rimming America by indians

 

[Dazzler]

If you buy primary weapons after 25 years of operating a weapons platform, by all means, please continue this tradition.



Another lost case.



That's because I don't hate Pakistan, I am indifferent towards Pakistan.

My posts are meant to show the Pakistanis that they are only jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire. No country has ever benefited when dealing with a large communist power and the problem is the aftereffects will be felt by India as well. So my objective is to prevent harm to my own country, regardless of what happens to Pakistan. China isn't this "all weather brother" that you think it is.

So Pakistan is better off mending ties with India rather than look towards another sugar daddy to protect you from 'big bad' India.



When did I say the Chinese will refuse Pakistan 3rd gen ATGMs?

The rest are irrelevant because the Chinese can't be seen sharing sensitive technology. For smaller stuff, the primary driver will be financial.

China will provide assistance to the point where they believe is enough to satisfy their own requirements, nothing more. For everything else, Pakistan will have to beg and plead, and when that happens, it's nice to have a competing partner that can force China to sell to maintain influence.

Imagine Pakistan being in the middle of a seesaw, with the US and China on either side. Pakistan simply rolls over to whoever pulls their weight most. The game ends if one player leaves. It is in Pakistan's interest that the game continues because that's the only way ensure Pakistan's, or I should actually say Pakistan Army's, survival.



The US has way more leverage over Pakistan than you think.

It would help to google the conditions the US made after which Pakistan joined the US WoT.



Why don't you go ask the Shias and Ahmadiyyas in India?

have your eyes checked, you missed the links provided.

 

[hit&run&hitagain]

Weapon systems given to fight 'War on Terror' are used to breach Indian border security grid; to assist Infiltration of terrorists into India.

I hope @CENTCOM see this.

If such sophisticated and costly weapons had been charged than donated on liberal terms its misuse have had never happen for Pakistan's recreation.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Weapon systems given to fight 'War on Terror' are used to breach Indian border security grid; to assist Infiltration of terrorists into India.

I hope @CENTCOM see this.

If such sophisticated and costly weapons had been charged than donated on liberal terms its misuse have had never happen for Pakistan's recreation.

there was nothing as such "War on terror" in 1983 and no we didnt bought ATGM to kill some rag tag terrorists who dosnt have any armor
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...to-target-indian-troops.543658/#post-10240104

 

[Path-Finder]

Weapon systems given to fight 'War on Terror' are used to breach Indian border security grid; to assist Infiltration of terrorists into India.

I hope @CENTCOM see this.

If such sophisticated and costly weapons had been charged than donated on liberal terms its misuse have had never happen for Pakistan's recreation.

 

[hit&run&hitagain]

there was nothing as such "War on terror" in 1983 and no we didnt bought ATGM to kill some rag tag terrorists who dosnt have any armor
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...to-target-indian-troops.543658/#post-10240104

WOT was joint effort of many countries which India was also a supporter when US administration approached us post 9/11.

It was never a Quid Pro Quo for Pakistan that it can use the assistance and the fire power that was handed over to fight Taliban; not against India.

You were heavily sanction before 9/11. All the bravado you unleashed at India in last 10 years was due to American aid and their strategic compulsion in Afghanistan that you over played.

No wonder they saw what you were doing. Even Musharraf admitted that it will be obvious that American weapons will make it to Indian border.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

WOT was joint effort of many countries which India was also a supporter when US administration approached us post 9/11.

It was never a Quid Pro Quo for Pakistan; to use the assistance and the fire power that was brought into their lands against India.

You were heavily sanction before 9/11. All the bravado you unleashed at India in last 10 years was due to American aid and their strategic compulsion in Afghanistan that you over played.

No wonder they saw what you were doing. Even Musharraf admitted that it will be obvious that American weapons will make it to Indian border.

just disband your military and send those mofos home and stop wasting billions of dollars on these eunuchs who cant stand and fight like them ATGMs are not nuclear weapon they are standard infantry weapon which are supposed to be used against enemy in low-intensity conflict

 

[Path-Finder]

WOT was joint effort of many countries which India was also a supporter when US administration approached us post 9/11.

It was never a Quid Pro Quo for Pakistan; to use the assistance and the fire power that was brought into their lands against India.

You were heavily sanction before 9/11. All the bravado you unleashed at India in last 10 years was due to American aid and their strategic compulsion in Afghanistan that you over played.

No wonder they saw what you were doing. Even Musharraf admitted that it will be obvious that American weapons will make it to Indian border.

yea let me make it very simple for you to understand. First there is no proof that TOW was used!

Most importantly no one can stop Pakistan from using any weapon at their disposal regardless of the accord they were obtained under!

If they yanks buy into your song and dance then it's great news for you but they cannot control how it will be used once its in Pakistan's hands. They may give some lip service for your pleasure and that's it.

 

[hit&run&hitagain]

just disband your military and send those mofos home and stop wasting billions of dollars on these eunuchs who cant stand and fight like them ATGMs are not nuclear weapon they are standard infantry weapon which are supposed to be used against enemy in low-intensity conflict

Oh you got hurt.

Ask your military leadership if India can handle ATGM or not. Look at your defencive military posture that you are even ready to detonate tactical nukes on your own territory.

Now go and drink kool aid.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Oh you got hurt.

Ask your military leadership if India can handle ATGM or not. Look at your defencive military posture that you are even ready to detonate tactical nukes on your own territory.

Now go and drink kool aid.

first stop this randi rona and complaining to daddy US