Pakistan Army Runs Out Of Fuel; Suspends All Military Drills & War Exercises Till Year End

[Steppe Wolff]

I agree Indians should spend the money to build toilets first.

Why would they do that? Didn't you see the news where a high caste gangu is pissing on the face of the other one? They are happy like that.

 

[Paji]

Idk but Pakistan is still a country and still has a big chunk of J&K. After 4 “defeats” India should have been able to at least get back J&K don’t you think? A 8x bigger country defeating Pakistan 4 times but Pakistan losing no territory?

Pakistan Occupied Kashmir is even poorer than Jammu and Kashmir under Indian control and has little strategic value. Even if they voluntarily accede to India, it would be a big economic burden to integrate them into India - especially because the population is already radicalised. It is not worth the costs that will have to be paid to achieve a military victory at this time.

 

[Sayfullah]

Pakistan Occupied Kashmir is even poorer than Jammu and Kashmir under Indian control and has little strategic value. Even if they voluntarily accede to India, it would be a big economic burden to integrate them into India - especially because the population is already radicalised. It is not worth the costs that will have to be paid to achieve a military victory at this time.

Yeah you guys should save up money to build toilets

 

[hussain0216]

if that is all it takes to make you happy, keep it. OR
if you have any loyalty to your country and want it to prosper, start opening your eyes to what your establishment has done to your people, security, economy, dignity ....poof !

Defeating a belligerent Hindu extremist is important

We have our own issues sure, and establishment oversight is one of them, that doesn't however mean we accept bullshit from Hindus and their propaganda sources

Pakistan Occupied Kashmir is even poorer than Jammu and Kashmir under Indian control and has little strategic value. Even if they voluntarily accede to India, it would be a big economic burden to integrate them into India - especially because the population is already radicalised. It is not worth the costs that will have to be paid to achieve a military victory at this time.

Great,, now next step is a complete withdrawal of hindus from all of Kashmir and complete partition inside India so that the populations can separate from each other

 

[ProudThamizhan]

Idk but Pakistan is still a country and still has a big chunk of J&K. After 4 “defeats” India should have been able to at least get back J&K don’t you think? A 8x bigger country defeating Pakistan 4 times but Pakistan losing no territory?

Until recently the Congress govt a didn’t prioritise pushing PAK out. Current def min seems interested. We will see

That's exactly what the Pakistani people felt when they beat the shit outta Abhinandan

You’re wrong . According to your recorded NA speeches, your commander was shaking in his legs on that occasion. Obviously some of you confuse bravado and bravery

Defeating a belligerent Hindu extremist is important

We have our own issues sure, and establishment oversight is one of them, that doesn't however mean we accept bullshit from Hindus and their propaganda sources

Crying ‘he hit me back first’ is disengenuous

 

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Pakistan Army has canceled all military drills and war exercises until this year’s end. The reason was not a ceasefire agreement with India or peace and tranquillity on the borders but due to a lack of fuel.

It is evident now political and economic turmoil in the South Asian country has squeezed even the Pakistan Army.

Intel reports accessed by EurAsian Times from across the border have revealed that DG Military Training of the Pakistan Army recently issued a letter to all the field formations and headquarters to suspend all the war games till December. The reason cited is the lack of “reserve fuel” and lubricants.” In military terminology, reserve fuel is different from war reserves.

While war reserves are meant for weapons and fuel needed to fight a war for certain days or periods, reserved stores are generally meant for in-house military exercises and war drills.

Even after leaving the FATF Grey List and getting a loan from the International Monetary Fund (IMF), Pakistan is reeling under an acute financial crunch. Adding to the economic turmoil is political instability caused by the arrest of Former Prime Minister Imran Khan (May 9).

Violent protests against the military brass, attacks on army establishments (cantonments and headquarters), and the burning of the flag-house further deteriorated the situation.

Inflation in Pakistan is high, and people are struggling with their daily lives. Riots and deaths have taken place for food items like flour. But the FOL (Fuels, Oil, and Lubricants) prices have pinched Pakistan Army the most.

Fuel prices in Pakistan are already exorbitantly high at 262 per liter (petrol and diesel), while kerosene oil is 164. As such, Pakistan Army cannot procure reserve fuel and other necessary lubricants needed to run a fleet of military trucks, tanks, and other armored vehicles.

“A Pakistani T-80 tank consumes two liters per kilometer,” says Colonel Danvir Singh (Retired) of the Indian Army, a well-known expert in Delhi on Pakistan Army-related matters. That is why Pakistan has suspended all the armored and mechanized exercise, he said, speaking exclusively to EurAsian Times.

Pakistan Army consists of 560,000 active soldiers. It has a total of eight corps (roughly composed of 20-30 thousand soldiers), besides other ancillary divisions like SSG (Special Service Groups), which consist of commandos of special forces.

Pakistan Army has many military trucks, small vehicles, tanks, and infantry combat vehicles, which require huge amounts of fuel and lubricants annually.

“It is the science of cost-economy which we as young army officers of Indian Army had also felt during the early 90s when the Indian economy was in tatters and had to mortgage gold to revive the economy,” recalls Col Danvir Singh, who had served in the infantry regiment.
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"For about two years, we had trained without tanks and instead used one ton (truck) to simulate armored columns. Soldiers were not allowed to fire ammunition during the practice sessions,” he adds while comparing the present state of the Pakistan Army with the early 90s of the Indian Army.

This is not the first time that the Pakistan Army has resorted to austerity measures, even if that amounts to lowering the training skills of the soldiers. Last year too, the Pakistan Army had announced to observe a ‘dry day’ every Friday. That ‘dry day’ didn’t mean the booze for the officers and the personnel but not running the military vehicles. On Fridays, military vehicles can run only for emergency services; otherwise, all government vehicles remain parked.

The Pakistan Army, known for having super-rich military commanders, wanted to minimize its electricity and gas bills, too, as part of the austerity measures so as not to bleed the already weakening economy of the country. The Pakistan Army had not demanded additional funds from the government during the last fiscal year (2022-23), while the defense budget was reduced to 16 percent of the national budget compared to the 2021-22 budget (20 percent).

Last year too Pakistan Army reduced the number and scale of exercises. A communique from the GHQ (Headquarters of Pakistan Army in Rawalpindi) had ordered the formations and field headquarters not to go for war drills in remote areas, and that too with large paraphernalia.

Military exercises with minimum strength to be carried out near the location of the formations, the communique had read. To revive the economy and help the debt-ridden government, the Pakistan Army returned about 3 billion (Pakistani Rupees) allocated for purchasing weapons and other military equipment besides the Covid fund.

Pakistan, in 2021, had agreed to a ceasefire along the contentious Line of Control (LoC) with India. Director General of Military Operations (DGMOs) of both countries had decided to follow the 2003 ceasefire agreement signed by India and Pakistan.

As such cross border firing and shelling have ceased to exist in the de facto border of Jammu and Kashmir (and Pakistan Occupied Kashmir). This could be a big reason for the Pakistan Army not going for military exercises, as no war is in sight with India in the near future.

"Why do you think Pakistan Army agreed to the ceasefire agreement with India in February 2021? It was largely because of the financial cost, simple. An artillery shell costs around six lacs while ammunition of a .12 bore weapon costs no less than 500 bucks”, says Col Danvir Singh.

During pre-ceasefire agreement days, India had bombarded Pakistani Army posts and terror launch pads along LoC with mortars, artillery, rockets, (static) tanks, and even ATGMs (Anti Tank Guided Missiles).

Videos of bombardment and destruction of Pakistani posts had gone viral during those days. Unable to counter Indian volley of precision munition, Pakistani soldiers were seen carrying a white flag to request peace and take away the mortal remains of slain soldiers.

Even the outgoing Pakistan Army Chief, General Qamar Bajwa, had conceded to senior journalists that the tanks and vehicles of Pakistan are rusty and that his army does not have sufficient ops-logistics (operational logistics) to fight a war.
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Pakistan’s western border with Taliban-ruled Afghanistan is also relatively calm except for sporadic skirmishes. Pakistan Army, however, is now entangled in counter-insurgency operations in strife-torn Balochistan and anti-terrorist operations in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province, where TTP (Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan) is involved in attacks on Pakistan Army convoys and military posts.

Pakistan Army is also involved in internal-tussle these days, which came to the fore with the arrest of Imran Khan and the violent protests that followed. Last week, the Pakistan Army dismissed a 3-star rank officer besides suspending 15 other ranks.

Those dismissed included Lt Gen Salman Fayyaz Ghani, Commander of Lahore based 4 Corps, one Major General, and one Brigadier. Those suspended included three Major Generals and seven Brigadiers.

Pakistan Army Runs Out Of Fuel; Suspends All Military Drills & War Exercises Till Year End

By Neeraj Rajput Pakistan Army has canceled all military drills and war exercises until this year’s end. The reason was not a ceasefire agreement with India or peace and tranquillity on the borders but due to a lack of fuel. It is evident now political and economic turmoil in the South Asian...

eurasiantimes.com

Isn't this the sort of information that usually surfaces in Washington Post, New York Times or Wall Street Journal? EurasianTimes.com is not the place one thinks first when sensitive information is leaked. I am sure somebody in Pentagon will be losing a wink or two if this were true.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

While the freedom-loving Balochs and Pashtuns do enjoy moral support from many sections in India, neither the establishment nor the Indian people have any interest in going to war against Pakistan.

You will find many on this forum too. Just send some Randys to us.

 

[Hero786]

‘No war with the fuelless rusted tanks’ - Islamabad Post

Hamid Mir's interview with Channel 24 was heartbreaking, unbelievable, and demoralizing for the entire nation when he quoted

islamabadpost.com.pk

unknown site created by random.

this site has not credibility, not known.

 

[Mugen]

Army needs to be dismantled. What would be the difference between Indian occupation and the occupation of our country by the Pakistani army? If anything, we are more likely to progress under Indian leadership, because they are not cancerous leeches like this harami army.

 

[Hero786]

Pakistan Occupied Kashmir is even poorer than Jammu and Kashmir under Indian control and has little strategic value. Even if they voluntarily accede to India, it would be a big economic burden to integrate them into India - especially because the population is already radicalised. It is not worth the costs that will have to be paid to achieve a military victory at this time.

Lol, majority of Azad Kashmir is very rich.
mostly Kashmiris working in UK.

Majority of other Pakistanis are in Saudi and UAE.
But Pakistani Kashmiris in UK.

How city of Mirpur became 'Little England'

British Pakistanis may soon be able to vote in elections in Pakistan thanks to the strong links between the two countries since the 1960s.

www.bbc.com

 

[Paji]

Great,, now next step is a complete withdrawal of hindus from all of Kashmir and complete partition inside India so that the populations can separate from each other

Read the history books. Complete partition has already happened and all of Jammu and Kashmir was legally acceded to India by the Maharaja - who was the only person authorised to do so under the India Independence Act - the same Act that is the legal basis for Pakistan's existence. If you don't think that is legitimate, then the existence of Pakistan itself is legitimate.

Now Pakistan did have some claim to Junagadh since the Nawab had chosen to accede to Pakistan initially. However, Pakistan never pursued that claim and the accession was overturned by a referendum where almost 100% votes were in favour of joining India.

Lol, majority of Azad Kashmir is very rich.
mostly Kashmiris working in UK.

That just shows your distorted mindset and lack of economic literacy. Receiving transfer payments and surving on dole from expats does not make a region rich. By your logic, Pakistan is a very rich country because it recives billions of dollars in imdaad from IMF, Gulf states, USA, China etc every year.

 

[hussain0216]

Read the history books. Complete partition has already happened and all of Jammu and Kashmir was legally acceded to India by the Maharaja - who was the only person authorised to do so under the India Independence Act - the same Act that is the legal basis for Pakistan's existence. If you don't think that is legitimate, then the existence of Pakistan itself is legitimate.

Now Pakistan did have some claim to Junagadh since the Nawab had chosen to accede to Pakistan initially. However, Pakistan never pursued that claim and the accession was overturned by a referendum where almost 100% votes were in favour of joining India.

Let me stop you there,, the whole point of partition was the need to separate the populations because those populations hated each other

Look at what a communal shithole India is at the moment

Kashmir is a Muslim state,, forcing a Muslim state into a union full of hindus who we deeply despise is ridiculously and purposely aimed to create endless conflict

Pakistan was always quite clear for the need of separation and that this one India bullshit would be disastrous as eventually the hatred between Indians would create devastation


Today as hindutva Poison and extremism spreads,, Partition inside India is ALREADY HAPPENING, Indians are economically boycotting each other and moving to their own areas

Of hindutva extremism and poison can't be stopped by India then eventually partition will occur one way or the other

 

[Paji]

Army needs to be dismantled. What would be the difference between Indian occupation and the occupation of our country by the Pakistani army? If anything, we are more likely to progress under Indian leadership, because they are not cancerous leeches like this harami army.

Sorry, but India has enough troubles of her own and does not have the resources to take over and fix the mess in Pakistan.

 

[Sayfullah]

Until recently the Congress govt a didn’t prioritise pushing PAK out. Current def min seems interested. We will see

Cuz they knew they stand no chance against Pakistan. Y’all can’t even handle Kashmiris and dream about invading Pakistan.
If you really want somnath to be levelled again and hundreds more years of Muslim rule then you can make the mistake to pick a fight with us.

 

[Paji]

Let me stop you there,, the whole point of partition was the need to separate the populations because those populations hated each other

Yeah , Pakistan was created for all the Muslims of the sub-continent and not just those of the western provinces and Bengal. That is why you have such a large population of Mohajirs in Karachi. Similarly, a large number of Hindus and Sikhs from Punjab, Sindh, NWFP moved to cities like Delhi and Mumbai. Even a few years after partition, Muslims from India freely moved to Pakistan and vice versa. If more Muslims want to move to Pakistan, they should be free to do so, but the Pakistani state has disowned even the Biharis in Bangladesh who fought for them in 1971.

The division of territory is final except for the illegal Pakistani occupation of parts of Kashmir. Just like Israel was created as a homeland for all Jews and can't keep on claiming new territories just because more Jews want to migrate there, so must Pakistan accomodate all the Muslims it wants to take in inside the existing territory - minus the illegally occupied parts of Kashmir.