India is a friend or foe of the Muslim world

[King Solomon]

I'm not going to get into the second point you made but Russia was the aggressor in these conflicts. It was clear that all Tatars in the region were in danger after the Russians had been freed by Timur Khan when he nearly destroyed the Golden Horde Mongols. The Ottomans went all over the place to try and protect Muslims as it was their duty by claiming Khilafat.

Whatever, but I wonder why cannot India and pakistan solve their disputes (like kashmir) peacefully?

 

[SherAli]

Whatever, but I wonder why cannot India and pakistan solve their disputes (like kashmir) peacefully?

LOL you really believe that "peace talks" have ever resolved anything? Ever?

Military action will only resolve a conflict like this

 

[King Solomon]

LOL you really believe that "peace talks" have ever resolved anything? Ever?

Military action will only resolve a conflict like this

Indeed military solution is needed, from both perspectives. However, what's so special about Kashmir? Wouldn't it be better for pakistan to concentrate on its economic development rather than focusing on Kashmir issue?

Look how advanced India is today, it just tested an ICBM. Of course ICBM presents no marginal threat for pakistan as pakistan is already in range, but it shows Indian progress. Whereas Pakistan is being left behind, far behind.

What is kashmir? It is just a small piece of land. It has a strategic significance that it is a gateway to China, but at the present status quo, Pakistan's interests are well served.

Pakistan is like many times larger than Germany, UK, France or most european countries. Wouldn't it be better to make efficient use of the land that you already have rather than chasing for 0.5 inch extra while the rest of the country remains underdeveloped? Better develop the land mass that you have rather than chasing for more. Smaller countries of Europe are far more successful than large India, Pakistan or African Congo.

pakistan, being many times smaller, has potential to be more successful than India, but itneeds to set its priorities right.

 

[The SC]

India is quite opportunistic, but then again, who isn't? Everybody looks for their national interests. India is no exception

Relationship with Pakistan may be strained due to kashmir territorial dispute, so pakistani people will consider india as enemy, which is quite natural. However, I fail to understand why Muslims elsewhere should consider India as an enemy? If not a friend, at least Neutral, but why Enemy?

India had the courage to defy Iranian sanctions and continue to trade with them. Which Muslim country had the courage to do that? For God's sake, many Muslim country's governments considers other Muslims as Kafirs, are working for enemy interests and we are here looking out for more enemies?

Mostly because India now is following a Zionistic Agenda, and by befriending Israel it shows its support to an apartheid regime.witch comes naturally in conflict with Muslim genuine principles of Universal justice.

 

[SherAli]

are you really going to bring euro countries that looted the entire world and left them dirt poor to this day as an example?

eurotrash is now suffering from economic collapse

you don't understand the root of the Kashmir issue, it belongs to the Muslims with a Muslim majority population so hindu pagan India has no claim over it ... despite the fact its a region of strategic importance and a land of beauty.

I agree Pakistan needs to develop an ICBM ... I heard Busharraf was against any long range ballistic missiles ... there were rumors of an ICBM by the name of Taimur or Tipu in development ... lets home they aren't just mere rumors

 

[King Solomon]

Mostly because India now is following a Zionistic Agenda, and by befriending Israel it shows its support to an apartheid regime.witch comes naturally in conflict with Muslim genuine principles of Universal justice.

The best way of justice is justice to yourself. If you don't do justice to yourself you have no right to even think of others. So far pakistan has not been able to do justice to itself, remaining far behind than even its rival India which is a 3rd world country itself. Have you done justice to yourself before thinking of any possible 'zionist" agenda?

are you really going to bring euro countries that looted the entire world and left them dirt poor to this day as an example?

eurotrash is now suffering from economic collapse

you don't understand the root of the Kashmir issue, it belongs to the Muslims with a Muslim majority population so hindu pagan India has no claim over it ... despite the fact its a region of strategic importance and a land of beauty.

I agree Pakistan needs to develop an ICBM ... I heard Busharraf was against any long range ballistic missiles ... there were rumors of an ICBM by the name of Taimur or Tipu in development ... lets home they aren't just mere rumors

You should read how industrialization took place. What made Britain, US, Russia, Europe great military and economic powers? It is industrialization.

Industrialization took place by inventing new production methods, which were more efficient. The argument that Europeans "stole everything " from 3rd world country is a false one. Which country did Germany colonise? Germany was the 2nd country to industrialize after GB.

Please do not blame the failure of Pakistan on Europeans.

 

[SherAli]

Mostly because India now is following a Zionistic Agenda, and by befriending Israel it shows its support to an apartheid regime.witch comes naturally in conflict with Muslim genuine principles of Universal justice.

“The People will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their food.” Someone asked, “Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?” He replied, “No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be froth and scum like that carried down by a torrent (of water), and Allah will take the fear of you from the breasts (hearts) of your enemy and cast al-wahn into your hearts.” Someone asked, “O Messenger of Allah, what is al-wahn?” He replied, “Love of the world and dislike of death.” [An authentic hadith recorded by Abu Dawud and Ahmad]

Industrialization took place by inventing new production methods, which were more efficient. The argument that Europeans "stole everything " from 3rd world country is a false one. Which country did Germany colonise? Germany was the 2nd country to industrialize after GB.

Please do not blame the failure of Pakistan on Europeans.

LOL are you kidding me? Europe was a dirt poor place ... a land of disease with nothing ... Industrialization was fueled by the massive amount of wealth they stole from other nations ... India was probably the richest place on earth and they looted it DRY, especially Bengal which fueled the revolution ... that is what shifted the balance of power ... their victory due to the defection of Mir Jafar and other traitors led to their victory at the Battle of Plassey and since then there was no turning back ... Brooks Adams admitted that the whole history of europe hinged on that battle

The industrial revolution occurred ONE YEAR after Plassey making it the most important event in "modern history" Before that these inbreds were no more advanced than the people of the subcontinent ... The flying shuttle was invented in 1760, the spinning jenny in 1764, the steam engine in 1768 and the “mule” in 1779 all after Plassey in 1757

The amount of theft, devastation, murder, genocide, and massacre is impossible to imagine ... they were able to rob and successfully commit genocide upon the indigenous people of the Americas before that

 

[King Solomon]

you don't understand the root of the Kashmir issue, it belongs to the Muslims with a Muslim majority population so hindu pagan India has no claim over it ... despite the fact its a region of strategic importance and a land of beauty.

Pakistan has the necessary stronghold that it has access to China.

belongs to the Muslims with a Muslim majority population so hindu pagan India has no claim over it

This isnot at all a valid argument. As i said before, do justice to yourself before thinking of others. If you do justice to yourself like the Europeans, Russians, US did before, you will have more than enough power to take Kashmir militarily. You are thinking of others when Pakistan itself remains lackluster. Please do justice to yourself.

 

[The SC]

Well, because Muslims countries aren't friend to each other doesn't mean Muslims shouldn't consider making a good relationship with none Muslims since Muslims are part of this world, unfortunately, the biggest reason for Muslims countries not friends to each other is the interests of persons or families who rule our Islamic world!!! but I see the future is optimistic since the Arab spring.

Muslims do have good relations with other nations abiding by the laws of justice and mind sanity.
When you deal with insane people, you can not escape being tainted by their sicknesses, and unfortunately the answer to irrational thinking people is best to ignore them, but then when violence (be it verbal or physical) is their mean of dealing with anyone who disagrees with them, than it obviously generates more violence, since one has the obligation of defending himself from insane behaviour. Unfortunately there are no fair and just world police to intervene justly.

Pakistan has the necessary stronghold that it has access to China.



This isnot at all a valid argument. As i said before, do justice to yourself before thinking of others. If you do justice to yourself like the Europeans, Russians, US did before, you will have more than enough power to take Kashmir militarily. You are thinking of others when Pakistan itself remains lackluster. Please do justice to yourself.

You mean the Muslim world should form a federation, that is what we call the Muslim Ummah and it is underway, so it is making justice to itself, and in this process, a lot of third parties, opportunists and enemies are being exposed, Making it a very good sign for the consolidation of the Islamic Ummah which will be very beneficial to humanity as a whole in due time.

 

[King Solomon]

LOL are you kidding me? Europe was a dirt poor place ... a land of disease with nothing ... Industrialization was fueled by the massive amount of wealth they stole from other nations ... India was probably the richest place on earth and they looted it DRY, especially Bengal which fueled the revolution ... that is what shifted the balance of power ... their victory due to the defection of Mir Jafar and other traitors led to their victory at the Battle of Plassey and since then there was no turning back ... Brooks Adams admitted that the whole history of europe hinged on that battle

The industrial revolution occurred ONE YEAR after Plassey making it the most important event in "modern history" Before that these inbreds were no more advanced than the people of the subcontinent ... The flying shuttle was invented in 1760, the spinning jenny in 1764, the steam engine in 1768 and the “mule” in 1779 all after Plassey in 1757

The amount of theft, devastation, murder, genocide, and massacre is impossible to imagine ... they were able to rob and successfully commit genocide upon the indigenous people of the Americas before that

Again, please do not put your blame on Europeans. If they "stole everything", why did the whole Europe industrialize at the same time? Did UK share their "stolen stuffs" with Germany and all?

Even if they did, why did Mugahals lose the battle? As far as I know, Mughals at that time were good-for-nothing kings living in palaces built by their grandfathers, with absolutely no investment in science, technology or their military.Only interested in luxuries. They were thinkning like you are doing now - a delusion of self-fulfillment. European armies were far more advanced than them even before. Only Ottomans could contest with Europe. But after industrial revolution which Ottomans missed, they were left behind too

Listen, look at countries like Malaysia, Turkey, UAE etc. Look at how they have industrialized. Then replicate the same model in Pakistan and you can be as advanced as Germany and UK. Stop blaming for your failures on Europeans.

You mean the Muslim world should form a federation, that is what we call the Muslim Ummah and it is underway, so it is making justice to itself, and in this process, a lot of third parties, opportunists and enemies are being exposed, Making it a very good sign for the consolidation of the Islamic Ummah which will be very beneficial to humanity as a whole in due time.

It is barely making any justice to itself except for a few countries like Turkey, Malaysia, Kazakhastan etc. Most muslims are killing each other and are crying about Kashmir, israel etc. at the same time. What hypocrisy.

 

[Tamizhan]

Even if they did, why did Mugahals lose the battle? As far as I know, Mughals at that time were good-for-nothing kings living in palaces built by their grandfathers, with absolutely no investment in science, technology or their military.Only interested in luxuries. They were thinkning like you are doing now - a delusion of self-fulfillment. European armies were far more advanced than them even before.

Offtopic - but there were actually no Anglo-Mughal wars.

The Marathas had completely routed the Mughals and were keeping them as their vassals when the Brits came.

 

[The SC]

The best way of justice is justice to yourself. If you don't do justice to yourself you have no right to even think of others. So far pakistan has not been able to do justice to itself, remaining far behind than even its rival India which is a 3rd world country itself. Have you done justice to yourself before thinking of any possible 'zionist" agenda?



You should read how industrialization took place. What made Britain, US, Russia, Europe great military and economic powers? It is industrialization.

Industrialization took place by inventing new production methods, which were more efficient. The argument that Europeans "stole everything " from 3rd world country is a false one. Which country did Germany colonise? Germany was the 2nd country to industrialize after GB.

Please do not blame the failure of Pakistan on Europeans.

True to an extent for industrialisation, but for exploitation, the Europeans exploited all the riches of third world countries for almost three centuries, they still do it now by controlling the prices of raw material from london and New York.
Heavy industry is a key factor, but it needs everything that goes with it ; markets, other good economies and raw material of course!

 

[Tamizhan]

you don't understand the root of the Kashmir issue, it belongs to the Muslims with a Muslim majority population so hindu pagan India has no claim over it ... despite the fact its a region of strategic importance and a land of beauty.

No one gives two hoots to your claims achmed. We control Kashmir and any attempt to take it by force will be answered by force , in which your country has not traditionally fared well.

So keep your religious rants to yourself. The GOC Northern Sector under which Kashmir falls is Lt.Gen SA Hasnain, a Muslim. And he will not think twice before killing any invader who steps foot inside Indian soil.

World is much more complex, wide than seen through your narrow religious prism.

 

[The SC]

Again, please do not put your blame on Europeans. If they "stole everything", why did the whole Europe industrialize at the same time? Did UK share their "stolen stuffs" with Germany and all?

Even if they did, why did Mugahals lose the battle? As far as I know, Mughals at that time were good-for-nothing kings living in palaces built by their grandfathers, with absolutely no investment in science, technology or their military.Only interested in luxuries. They were thinkning like you are doing now - a delusion of self-fulfillment. European armies were far more advanced than them even before. Only Ottomans could contest with Europe. But after industrial revolution which Ottomans missed, they were left behind too

Listen, look at countries like Malaysia, Turkey, UAE etc. Look at how they have industrialized. Then replicate the same model in Pakistan and you can be as advanced as Germany and UK. Stop blaming for your failures on Europeans.



It is barely making any justice to itself except for a few countries like Turkey, Malaysia, Kazakhastan etc. Most muslims are killing each other and are crying about Kashmir, israel etc. at the same time. What hypocrisy.

It is cleaning itself from the inside out.
It is the best thing to do if you want to progress, it is to deal with your personal problems first, assessing them and fixing them. If you do not understand this, than you can not understand what is going on.

 

[King Solomon]

True to an extent for industrialisation, but for exploitation, the Europeans exploited all the riches of third world countries for almost three centuries, they still do it now by controlling the prices of raw material from london and New York.
Heavy industry is a key factor, but it needs everything that goes with it ; markets, other good economies and raw material of course!

They do it because third world countries like Pakistan or india doesn't do justice to themselves. Either their leaders are brainless or they consider themselves inferior or something and have completely submitted to what they might consider "western supremacy".

Just like you who comes up with one or the other excuse to hide the failures of Pakistan. Now it is the London and NY controlling commodity prices? How about Pakistan's own oil/gas reserves which I read is quite a lot. How about pakistan's huge agricultural and commodity output? Doesn't Pakistan have any natural resources of its own or is Pakistan a sahara desert or something? Does pakistan even have to depend on london/NY controlled "prices"?

Sorry for being harsh, but failure must be accepted first before even attempting to correct and progress.

It is cleaning itself from the inside out.
It is the best thing to do if you want to progress, it is to deal with your personal problems first, assessing them and fixing them. If you do not understand this, than you can not understand what is going on.

I see, as you wish to think. I just hope majority of pakistanis dont think like you.