India, France sign $6 bn deal on Surface to Air Missile

[PRINCE_THE_SHOWSTOPPER]

No, this based on unsung hero Trishul, whole mechanical mechanism is based on trishul to reduce cost of development while MBDA is providing guidance system.
I have my doubt over IA's procurement over these missile, while I think IAF would place 30+ system of that & IN would put one system in every ship so for IN could order more than 20 in over all.

Can you explain lower part plz.

i think IA will replace their soviet SAMs with this one..like the "flycatcher"

 

[ANPP]

I meant that IN may want Maitri for submarine-based air defence (read about sub-launched Mica SAM),
considering they already have the capable Barak-1 system for ship-based short-range air defence...

PS - Any source for that info? I don't think Trishul would be a modern frame for
mounting all the latest electronic stuff. And besides, I don't think could be canisterised.

submarine-based air defence...........

I will try to find out about sources & also report on trishul test. But till than what I remember...

Well, Trishul did perform well in test ( mainly failure due to failure of guidance system when it approaches towards near the target) especially on front of quick reaction. That was the reason MoD put money untill 2008 while it was clear before 2005 that it will not have any chance of success.

Upto canisterisation I think trishul was canisterised where it perform good.

 

[trident2010]

$ 6 bn is a big sum. Seems like it is very compresensive and advanced co-development from French side.

 

[sancho]

This deal with France is for VSHORAD i think.

But the VSHORAD is a simple procurement with licence production, the article however talks about a joint development and that can only mean Maitri SAM, but as I said, the article is not fully reliable.

Yes,this is confusing.looks like this is for very short range SAM.
SPYDER is QRSAM.

Maitri SAM is a QRSAM as well and the Israeli Spyder system was in the competition to partner the Indian missile development as well, but lost out against Sagems MICA VL system.

Any idea how many we would build?
@sancho

Hi it just struck me, maybe IN wants it for launching from submarines instead of Mica SAM..?

Don't know how many should be build and I am suggesting to combine it to a bigger SR missile for IAF (WVR missile) and IN (sub launched SAM) as well, but I am afraid our forces don't look at a combined deal and MoD simply don't have the foresight to do it.

 

[Skull and Bones]

submarine-based air defence...........

I will try to find out about sources & also report on trishul test. But till than what I remember...

Well, Trishul did perform well in test ( mainly failure due to failure of guidance system when it approaches towards near the target) especially on front of quick reaction. That was the reason MoD put money untill 2008 while it was clear before 2005 that it will not have any chance of success.

Upto canisterisation I think trishul was canisterised where it perform good.

Trishul was a beam riding missile, i.e. it was dependent on the radar for guidance and interception throughout the trajectory. Not suitable for submarine based air defense for the obvious reason.

 

[ANPP]

Trishul was a beam riding missile, i.e. it was dependent on the radar for guidance and interception throughout the trajectory. Not suitable for submarine based air defense for the obvious reason.

I dont know any thing about submarine based air defense even heard 1st time.

 

[Agent_47]

Maitri SAM is a QRSAM as well and the Israeli Spyder system was in the competition to partner the Indian missile development as well, but lost out against Sagems MICA VL system.

So Maitri will be indian version of MICA VL? any link about the competition?

 

[anant_s]

NEW DELHI: From defense to cyber security, India and France are in a strategic embrace. France is building India's largest nuclear power complex at Jaitapur and has bagged the biggest fighter aircraft deal for Rafale. The new French president, Francois Hollande, on his maiden visit to India tells The Times of India in an exclusive interview that France is also becoming one of the top investors in India.

Why have you chosen India for your first bilateral visit in Asia?
Quite simply because our relations with India are a priority for France.

For a long time now, we have been building a relationship of trust between our two countries. Our partnership is unique. It is built on a solid foundation, that of values that we share: democracy, attachment to sovereignty, a never-waning interest in each other's culture, the will for social progress. Our constitutions affirm that we are secular republics.

India is an emerging power. Its place matters and will increasingly matter on the international scene. France had understood this in 1998, when we concluded the first strategic partnership with India.

France and India have developed increasingly closer cooperation on very sensitive matters, such as defence, counter-terrorism, space, civil nuclear energy, and henceforth — we decided this on Thursday with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh — on cyber security and against drug trafficking.

Are you satisfied with the pace of negotiations with India on Rafale? Is the deal finalized and if not, why not?
Rafale is a major project for India and France. This exceptional aircraft was selected after a transparent and stringent competition. This project will pave the way for unprecedented industrial and technological cooperation between our companies and our countries over the next 40 years. Agreement on all details of the modalities necessarily takes time. So it's hardly surprising that negotiations have taken over a year for a contract of this scale. I have strong hopes for their positive conclusion. I have kept in mind what minister Salman Khurshid said in Paris, "A good French wine takes time to mature and so do good contracts." This time is coming.

We understand that there is no commercial contract due to be signed for the nuclear reactors at Jaitapur. When do you expect this to happen? Do you still have concerns about the nuclear liability law in India?

Discussions on the Jaitapur project are progressing well and we are determined to conclude them.

Much progress has been made: after the Fukushima disaster, it was the duty of each one of us to be assured anew of the safety of the nuclear reactors. An independent agency conducted the safety assessment in France with the utmost rigour. And it concluded that the EPR has the highest safety levels. We had a transparent dialogue with the Indian authorities on this matter. The best guarantee for India is that, in France, we are building the same reactor as those planned in Jaitapur.

Regarding civil nuclear liability, we obviously respect Indian law. It is the sovereign decision of a country that has witnessed catastrophes like the Bhopal gas tragedy. Civil nuclear energy is an answer, and it also helps cut down on greenhouse gas emissions and strengthen energy security.

India has supported the French military intervention in Mali. But what is the endgame there, given that al-Qaeda fighters are now engaging in suicide attacks?
France responded to Mali's request with the support of the international community. We could not let a new haven for terrorists to develop at Europe's door. Terrorism is a global threat that recognizes no borders. The men, their weapons, and their ideology of hate travel from region to region, and they pursue the same goals.

Threats remain in Mali, despite all the progress achieved. But an entire international strategy of reconciliation and development must be put in place, with the deployment of the African force, in accordance with the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council.

I would like to salute India's support over the past few months: it voted in favour of three resolutions of the Security Council on Mali in 2012, and is even the co-author of the second. India also announced a very substantial financial contribution for Mali as well as the African force.

What is your commitment to Afghanistan after 2014?

France will remain at Afghanistan's side. We withdrew our combat troops in end 2012, but we remain committed to the Afghan people in the long term. We signed a Friendship and Cooperation Treaty with Afghanistan, which will translate into a significant enhancement of our civilian cooperation — over 50% — in the coming three years. It will also contribute to the training of Afghan security forces.

Inter-Afghan dialogue is the responsibility of the Afghans themselves. France is deeply attached to the three conditions set for reconciliation: respecting the constitution, abjuring violence, and severing all ties with terrorism.

There are continuing reports of differences between France and Germany on the austerity question. What does this say for the future of the eurozone?

We act in close consultation with Germany on the situation in the eurozone and its future. Today, as yesterday, Franco-German friendship is at the core of European integration. This also applies to the consolidation of the euro zone, adherence to budgetary discipline and competitiveness.

While India and France have a robust strategic partnership, this does not appear to have translated into a deeper economic relationship. In fact France trails other European countries in trade with India. How do you plan to correct this?
In France, as in India, we wish to boost growth. The development of our bilateral trade must contribute to that goal. But to state things frankly, Indian customs duties are very high in certain areas, such as the food-processing sector. The entire challenge of the Free Trade Agreement under discussion between the EU and India is to give fresh impetus to our trade both ways. It should be balanced and mutually beneficial.

Bilateral investment levels are quite low between India and France. How can we change this?

French companies invest a lot in India! The pace has been a billion euros per year since the past two years, with other projects on the horizon. French companies employ more than 2,40,000 skilled Indian workers.

France is thus among the top investors in India. It is a reflection of our confidence in your country's future. Our companies also invest in research — I will, in fact, be visiting a French R&D facility in Mumbai — and professional training. I'm proud that they are thus laying the groundwork for the future.

As for Indian companies, they are welcome. They will find the best technologies in France, very good infrastructure, workforce of exceptional quality, plus, the heart of the world's largest economy — that of Europe.

France has long supported India's candidature as a permanent member of the UN Security Council. How do you think the institutions of global governance can change to reflect the 21st century world order?

Creating a global order for the twenty-first century means resolving as best possible the current global challenges: fighting terrorism, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, drug trafficking, as well as preserving the environment and combating climate change.

We need India, its message, its strength for resolving these major issues. France and India were there together for the foundation of the G20. And, France supports India's candidacy to become a full-fledged permanent member of the United Nations Security Council. It will also end the injustice of India not being able to join the Council in 1945.

We are building same reactors for ourselves that we are selling to India: Hollande - The Times of India

 

[anant_s]

Kindly take this in Good Humor, nothing official about it

Official program of visiting President of _________ (fill in the blanks) to India in last 2-3 years

1. Guard of honor at Rashtrapati Bhavan
2. Visit to Rajghat pay respect to Father of nation
3. Sign a defence deal of 10-15 billion USD
4. Visit 10 Janpath, pay respect (or else )
5. Condemn 26/11 attacks
6. Bash Pakistan
7. Raise voice of support for UNSC permanent membership for India
8. Couple of banquets here and there
9. Visit to Tajmahal (if better half is around for the visit)
10. Mission Sucessful (deals in bag, industry in good spirits) Fly Back

Meanwhile MoS prepares to recieve next guest at Palam

 

[Ayush]

We are building same reactors for ourselves that we are selling to India: Hollande - The Times of India

nice info mate.

Kindly take this in Good Humor, nothing official about it

Official program of visiting President of _________ (fill in the blanks) to India in last 2-3 years

1. Guard of honor at Rashtrapati Bhavan
2. Visit to Rajghat pay respect to Father of nation
3. Sign a defence deal of 10-15 billion USD
4. Visit 10 Janpath, pay respect (or else )
5. Condemn 26/11 attacks
6. Bash Pakistan
7. Raise voice of support for UNSC permanent membership for India
8. Couple of banquets here and there
9. Visit to Tajmahal (if better half is around for the visit)
10. Mission Sucessful (deals in bag, industry in good spirits) Fly Back

Meanwhile MoS prepares to recieve next guest at Palam

again.nice one mate.

 

[Abingdonboy]

It cannot be overstated how badly India needs these sort of systems. Faced with a possible 2-front war, opponents with rapidly modernizing air forces who have (cumulatively) numbers on their side. If you look at the ADS in India up until recently-even still today, it is made up of mostly pathetic, outdated Soviet junk. The reason India needs to spend such colossal amounts in almost ever area of the military is because for almost 2 decades the forces were neglected and deprived of funding and new equipment.

If things had been better in the '90s then this $6bn deal (and other major deals) could have been spread out over a decade of orders but now it going to be all up front.

India is having to play catch-up at a serious pace now.



The fact that increasingly such deals are the result of a JV is just the cherry on top.

 

[SEAL]

Because none of them is quick reaction, which is essential for low level air-defense.
BTW you can not see the value of these as you put your air defence on shoulder fire missiles....

well they have good record against IAF..

 

[Paan Singh]

Indian military will be much better till 2020

 

[Screambowl]

okay so India is taking advantage of economic crisis to get the latest Technology and develop out of it once learned from it.

 

[sancho]

So Maitri will be indian version of MICA VL? any link about the competition?

Not an Indian version, but possibly similar to Brahmos, where we take the hull (at least the design should be similar to MICA) and the propulsion from a foreign partner and add the seeker / navigation parts, in this case from the Trishul SAM development.

This was shown earlier as possible Maitri SAM:

Livefist: Trishul's successor: the DRDO-MBDA Maitri SR-SAM