India education: Dalit student suicide

[justanobserver]

I have more knowledge than you think.

Heck a few Indians here don't seem to be aware that there is anti-conversion legislation in the "biggest democracy in the world" than prides itself on being "secular"

No, you're ignorant.

There is no law in India that forbids religious conversion. Period

 

[samv]

No, you're ignorant.

There is no law in India that forbids religious conversion. Period

Sure, if you say so

All is well.

 

[justanobserver]

Sure, if you say so

The onus is on you to get proof.

As it stands, religious conversion is not prohibited in India.

And do try to counter my statement, instead of another snarky one liner

 

[Roybot]

Let's cut the crap shall we? It is meant to stop people from converting from their religion (read Hinduism) to Christianity. You know that and I know that, everyone knows that.

WTF back up your bull shyt claims will you? Show me where it says it ," the law specifically for Christians", the law is there to stop forceful conversion. And the only culprit religion is whining away. Guess thats job well done by the Supreme court then. Indian Government and institutions are answerable to Indians not some propaganda artist missionary from Sri Lanka.

Too bad Hindus don't feel the same "missionary zeal" as some other "religions"

As i said world is full of hypocrites and religious bigots.

 

[acetophenol]

the incident was sad. Hope the action is taken against those responsible.

The news like these will eventually stop with the increasing literacy.

 

[samv]

The onus is on you to get proof.

As it stands, religious conversion is not prohibited in India.

And do try to counter my statement, instead of another snarky one liner

You can defend anti-conversion legislation all you like.

The fact is they are against freedom of religion and conscience and were brought in to satisfy Hindu extremists upset over the fact that low caste Hindus were converting to Christianity.

Let's not pretend otherwise

 

[samv]

WTF back up your bull shyt claims will you? Show me where it says it ," the law specifically for Christians", the law is there to stop forceful conversion. And the only culprit religion is whining away. Guess thats job well done by the Supreme court then. Indian Government and institutions are answerable to Indians not some propaganda artist missionary from Sri Lanka.

Too bad Hindus don't feel the same "missionary zeal" as some other "religions"

As i said world is full of hypocrites and religious bigots.

Forcible conversion? What, Christians are driving nails into low caste Hindus and making them convert to Christianity?

So far all the acts of violence seem to have been carried out by the Hindu side - including the "religious cleansing" of Orissa.

Anti-conversion laws are discriminatory laws that have no place in a country that claims to and loves to boast about being 'secular.'

 

[justanobserver]

You can defend anti-conversion legislation all you like.

The fact is they are against freedom of religion and conscience and were brought in to satisfy Hindu extremists upset over the fact that low caste Hindus were converting to Christianity.

Let's not pretend otherwise

*sigh*

The onus is on you to get proof.

As it stands, religious conversion is not prohibited in India.

And do try to counter my statement, instead of unsubstantiated nonsense

FTFY

 

[samv]

*sigh*

FTFY

*double sigh*

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India's Anti-conversion Laws Fuel Violence Against Minorities
http://www.chowk.com/RiazHaq/iLogs/India-s-Anti-conversion-Laws-Fuel-Violence-Against-Minorities

 

[Roybot]

Forcible conversion? What, Christians are driving nails into low caste Hindus and making them convert to Christianity?

So far all the acts of violence seem to have been carried out by the Hindu side - including the "religious cleansing" of Orissa.

Anti-conversion laws are discriminatory laws that have no place in a country that claims to and loves to boast about being 'secular.'

Use google to research, why people are opposed to certain conversions. Christianity is not new in India, why do you think Indians suddenly felt this urge? There is no smoke without fire.

Anti-conversion law applies to each and every religion, thats secularism too.

And the only reason why Sri Lanka dropped the very same bill, cause you guys got slapped by the USA, otherwise there was no stopping the Buddhist Jathika Hela Urumaya.

U.S. Congressmen Press Sri Lanka to Drop Anti-Conversion Bill, Christian News

 

[samv]

Use google to research, why people are opposed to certain conversions. Christianity is not new in India, why do you think Indians suddenly felt this urge? There is no smoke without fire.

Anti-conversion law applies to each and every religion, thats secularism too.

Yawn. The only reason they were brought in was to stop Christians from spreading their faith.

The 'smoke' is the panic that Hindus felt over low castes converting from Hinduism to Christianity. Muslims, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs were not clamouring for it like Hindu groups were.

Legislating religious belief and the freedom to choose one's religion of choice is not "secularism"

And the only reason why Sri Lanka dropped the very same bill, cause you guys got slapped by the USA, otherwise there was no stopping the Buddhist Jathika Hela Urumaya.

U.S. Congressmen Press Sri Lanka to Drop Anti-Conversion Bill, Christian News

Nope the reason it was dropped in Sri Lanka was because Sri Lanka's Supreme Court ruled that any anti-conversion legislation was unconstitutional and impinging on the religious freedom of Sri Lankan citizens.

It's funny how "secular" India doesn't think so.

 

[nForce]

Yawn. The only reason they were brought in was to stop Christians from spreading their faith.

The 'smoke' is the panic that Hindus felt over low castes converting from Hinduism to Christianity. Muslims, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs were not clamouring for it like Hindu groups were.

Legislating religious belief and the freedom to choose one's religion of choice is not "secularism"



Nope the reason it was dropped in Sri Lanka was because Sri Lanka's Supreme Court ruled that any anti-conversion legislation was unconstitutional and impinging on the religious freedom of Sri Lankan citizens.

It's funny how "secular" India doesn't think so.

Is this the first time you are realizing that all the countries are not the same and have their own laws??

 

[samv]

Is this the first time that you are realizing that all the countries are not the same and have their own laws??

Is this the first time that you are realizing that India has laws that discriminate against religious minorities?

 

[Roybot]

Yawn. The only reason they were brought in was to stop Christians from spreading their faith.

The 'smoke' is the panic that Hindus felt over low castes converting from Hinduism to Christianity. Muslims, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs were not clamouring for it.

Yeah maybe these "missionaries" should stop alluring illiterate people into converting to their "religion". Once again there is nothing discriminatory about the law. If a Hindu tries to force a Muslim to convert the same law applies to him too. Thats fair and secular for us.

Nope the only reason it was dropped in Sri Lanka was because Sri Lanka's Supreme Court ruled that any anti-conversion legislation was unconstitutional and impinging on the religious freedom of Sri Lankan citizens.

Yeah yeah of course it was. US congressmen obviously don't have any power over Sri Lanka. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Mean while in secular and righteous Sri Lanka

The new martyrs - Washington Times

On Feb. 17, two men on a motorcycle gunned down Pastor Neil Edirisinghe and shot his wife in the stomach outside their home in Ampara, Sri Lanka, as their toddler son looked on. Although one would be tempted to think the incident was related to the bitter ethnic conflict ravaging the country, it was not.

Local newspapers report that a businessman, now in custody, had hired the gunmen to kill the 37-year old pastor because he had aided his estranged wife's conversion to Christianity. It appears that violence against Christians is back in fashion in this overwhelmingly Buddhist country.

As reported by the National Christian Evangelical Association of Sri Lanka and news outlets:

• On Feb. 14, in Weeraketiya, Hambanthota District, the home of a sick congregant was stoned while a local pastor, his wife and two children ministered to the ill parishioner.

• On Feb. 17, in Mathugama, Kaluthara District, a mob of about 50, some with anti-Christian posters and some armed with rods, gathered around a church during a Sunday service and verbally and physically assaulted members of the congregation as they exited the church.

• On March 2, in Lunuwila, Putlam District, a group of students were attacked and seriously beaten by a gang of more than 10 masked men as they walked to their Bible College. A local town official then threatened to close the school.

• On March 2 in Udugama, Galle District, a mob of about 200 gathered in front of the home of a local pastor and issued the following ultimatum: leave the village or face death.

• On March 3, in Mulaitivu District, a church came under an arson attack while the pastor of the church and his family were still inside.

In its latest International Report on Religious Freedom on Sri Lanka, the U.S. State Department cites reports of "more than 300 attacks" against Christians over the last four years with "several dozen confirmed by the U.S. Embassy."

While the government of Sri Lanka officially bemoans the violence, law enforcement and judicial officers on the ground routinely look the other way and perpetrators are rarely caught and prosecuted. The government has contributed to the climate of violence by openly courting the extremist Buddhist vote by proposing and campaigning for criminal anti-conversion laws.

Additionally, Sri Lanka's Supreme Court held that its constitution bars Christian social service organizations from incorporating because "the spreading of Christianity ... would impair the very existence of Buddhism."

Although the government isn't lighting the torches, its indifference to violence, regime of legalized discrimination, and political exploitation of religious tensions has undoubtedly fanned the flames.

The international community has not looked kindly on Sri Lanka's actions. According to a Dec. 12, 2005, report from the U.N.'s Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Religion or Belief, the government's politicized handling of the issue of conversions "provided more justification for religious intolerance." Only a concerted international outcry stopped the passage of the government's misguided criminal anti-conversion proposals. As for Sri Lanka's openly discriminatory incorporation laws, the United Nations Human Rights committee ruled in October 2005 that they violate international covenants and must be remedied. But this mandate has been ignored.

Sri Lanka's ambassador to the United States, Bernard Goonetilleke, was asked about these issues at an Institute for Religion and Public Policy event in Washington, D.C. on Feb. 20. In a welcome declaration, he pledged his government would follow the policy of the previous administration, saying proposed anti-conversion laws would not "see the light of day." But he was unwilling to give more than a cursory discussion of the plight of Christians in Sri Lanka and what the government plans to do to end the discrimination and stop the violence.

The ambassador was far more comfortable discussing the government's war with the Tamil Tigers and U.S. aid received after the devastating tsunami.

When asked about the recent murder of Pastor Edirisinghe, the ambassador was unwilling to recognize it as a part of a broader religious conflict. "You see this as an attack on a pastor or religious persecution, but the murder may have been the result of a personal rivalry. A pastor could also get involved in a confrontation or personal rivalry" he said, lamenting that there were no Buddhist nations calling for investigations into attacks on Sri Lanka's Buddhist temples and citizens.

The ambassador was correct that the Edirisinghe murder was personal — but only in the sense that it was the pastor's personal Christian convictions that cost him his life.

Roger Severino is legal counsel at the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty and manager of lankaliberty.com, a Becket Fund Web site dedicated to monitoring and providing legal analysis of religious liberty conditions in Sri Lanka. At the request of the United Nations, he authored a report analyzing Sri Lanka's religious freedom record under international law.

 

[nForce]

Is this the first time that you are realizing that India has laws that discriminate against religious minorities?

out of the question....I suggest you go through the law in concern once,for I am quite sure you have not till now.
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