India education: Dalit student suicide

[sathish]

India does discriminate against minority religions through its anti-conversion laws. They have been pushed into law by Hindu extremists, even after continuous attacks on Christian minorities across the country.

Attacks on the Muslim minority need not be expanded upon here.

Compare religious riots between India and Sri Lanka and you will see who discriminates who.

India's main opposition itself is is a Hindu nationalist party, showing just how much religion plays a role in Indian politics.

Are you nuts??? did u saw the links i posted... is only religious dicremination is bad thing and tamil discremination is holy???? there is no difference...

Discremination is totally a nonsense whether its religious or whatever it may be..

 

[samv]

Discremination is totally a nonsense whether its religious or whatever it may be..

It's great that you've realized that.

So India can fix it's own problems with discrimination before pointing fingers at others?

 

[justanobserver]

Clutching at straws is not a good sign.

Come on mate, now you're just plain trolling

btw You still haven't explain why the Sri Lankan constitution puts Buddhism as the foremost religion in the country.

 

[Roybot]

Sri Lanka's Supreme Court ruled that any anti-conversion legislation was unconstitutional.

Unlike in India.

Anti-conversion laws do not exist in Sri Lanka.

Unlike in India.

Some states like to implement the anti conversion law, , and good on them for looking after their subjects.

Anti-conversion laws in India

On 29 December 2006, the government of the northern Indian state of Himachal Pradesh passed the Himachal Pradesh Freedom of Religion Bill 2006. The government claimed it was intended to prevent religious conversions through “force” or “inducement”.


Once Himachal Pradesh signs the bill into law, it would be the sixth Indian state to adopt anti-conversion legislation, joining the ranks of Arunachal Pradesh, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, and Gujarat. A seventh state, Jharkhand is also expected to pass an anti-conversion law.

There is no doubt that conversions brought about by violence or other equally illegitimate means of coercion cannot be permitted. Indeed, such conversions violate the freedom of religious beliefs protected within both the international instruments and the Indian Constitution.

The definition of force
All the anti-conversion laws share a common definition of what constitutes “force” in forced conversions. As the Rajasthan Bill provides:

‘Force’ includes a show of force or a threat of injury any kind, including threat of divine displeasure or social ex-communication.
It is uncertain how this prohibition will work in practice. For example, if a religion teaches that non-adherents risk divine displeasure (as with Christianity, Islam, and Judaism), teaching this article of faith may constitute an act of force under the Act.

The definition of allurement
According to the Rajasthan Bill:

‘[a]llurement’ means offer of any temptation in the form of

1) any gift or gratification, either in cash or in kind;

2) grant of any material benefit, either monetary or otherwise

The Madhya Pradesh, Chattissgarh and Gujarat anti-conversion laws rely on an identical definition. The Orissa and Arunachal Pradesh laws are worded slightly differently:

The definition of fraud

The Rajasthan Bill and Gujarat Bill provide:

[f]raudulent’ means and includes misrepresentation or any other fraudulent contrivance.

The Acts in Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Arunachal Pradesh, Chhattisgarh Acts state:

[f]raud shall include misrepresentation or any other fraudulent contrivance’.

Anti-conversion laws and the Indian Constitution
Articles 25 to 30 of the Indian Constitution deal with religion. Article 25 is most relevant for present purposes. It is similar to Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR). Article 25 reads in relevant part as follows:

25. Freedom of conscience and free profession, practice and propagation of religion.

(1) Subject to public order, morality and health and to the other provisions of this Part, all persons are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to profess, practise and propagate religion.
(2) Nothing in this article shall affect the operation of any existing law or prevent the State from making any law—

(a) regulating or restricting any economic, financial, political or other secular activity which may be associated with religious practice;

(b) providing for social welfare and reform or the throwing open of Hindu religious institutions of a public character to all classes and sections of Hindus.
The Supreme Court has commented on the scope of the protection of religious freedom within the Constitution as follows:

…while his (sic) religious beliefs are entirely his own and his freedom to hold those beliefs is absolute, he has not the right to act in any way he pleased (sic).
The Constitution protects the freedom of individuals to hold any religious beliefs. However, the freedom to manifest one’s religion or belief is not absolute. Nonetheless, this freedom can only be limited according to the provisions of the Constitution.

Save us your rant.

 

[samv]

Some states like to implement the anti conversion law, , and good on them for looking after their subjects.

Thanks for accepting that there are anti-conversion laws in India.

And discriminating against Christians is not "looking after their subjects"

It's pretty funny how the state has to intervene in issues of personal belief in the "world's largest democracy"

 

[sathish]

It's great that you've realized that.

So India can fix it's own problems with discrimination before pointing fingers at others?

LOL... Its really funny to see these words from you... In every thread u posted anti-india post and talking like a priest now..

From now on before openning an anti-india thread, just look at the links i provided already and start...

 

[Ajaxpaul]

Thanks for accepting that there are anti-conversion laws in India.

And discriminating against Christians is not "looking after their subjects"

It's pretty funny how the state has to intervene in issues of personal belief in the "world's largest democracy"

It was you who was confused about anti conversion laws...but hey ur not Indian so excused.

And what is the story of Christian discrimination in India. Why are you ranting about christians in this thread??

 

[samv]

LOL... Its really funny to see these words from you... In every thread u posted anti-india post and talking like a priest now..

From now on before openning an anti-india thread, just look at the links i provided already and start...

Why exactly is this thread "anti-India"?

Is it because it explores the fact that Dalits are discriminated against and are driven to suicide in India?

 

[RPK]

Why exactly is this thread "anti-India"?

Is it because it explores the fact that Dalits are discriminated against and are driven to suicide in India?

Tell me how it is discriminated?

Admission to undergraduate B. Tech and integrated M. Tech programs are through IIT-JEE (the Joint Entrance Examination) in which around 400,000 students appear annually out of which only 7,500 get selected, (49.5% of the seats are reserved for scheduled and backward castes).

 

[justanobserver]

Why exactly is this thread "anti-India"?

Is it because it explores the fact that Dalits are discriminated against and are driven to suicide in India?

It's because you're going in tangents, from Dalits to Tribals conversion. And you're talking about a law which you have no knowledge of.

 

[sanibhagwan]

India does discriminate against minority religions through its anti-conversion laws. They have been pushed into law by Hindu extremists, even after continuous attacks on Christian minorities across the country.

Attacks on the Muslim minority need not be expanded upon here.


India's main opposition itself is is a Hindu nationalist party, showing just how much religion plays a role in Indian politics (kinda like Christianity in the US and the US pretending to be a secular country).

Freedom of religion in India is a fundamental right guaranteed by the country's constitution.

Anti conversion Law is Prohibition of Forcible Conversion

Lets say it in lay man's term so that even a illiterate can understand.

If Hindu Extremists try convert you to Hinduism by force. The law will protect you.

Compare religious riots between India and Sri Lanka and you will see who discriminates who.

You want to compare with multi religious and multi ethinic India (population of 1.2 billion)

Rather compare yourselves with a state in India say Tamil Nadu

Hmmmm. It fares much better than Srilanka. Your thoughts please.

 

[Roybot]

Thanks for accepting that there are anti-conversion laws in India.

And discriminating against Christians is not "looking after their subjects"

It's pretty funny how the state has to intervene in issues of personal belief in the "world's largest democracy"

Its not just for Christians, its for all religion, no where it says its only for Christians, if a Hindu tries to convert a Christian the law applies to that Hindu man too. You need to take off your religious minority victim goggles and read.

BTW Sinhala Act ring a bell? At all?

Sinhala Only Bill

Sinhala Only Bill, (1956), act passed by the government of Ceylon (now Sri Lanka) making Sinhalese the official language of the country. The bill was the first step taken by the new government of S.W.R.D. Bandaranaike to realize one of the main campaign promises that had brought about his landslide victory in the 1956 general election. Violently opposed by the Tamil-speaking minority in Ceylon, the passage of the bill was followed by rioting.

The Tamil Federal Party, led by S.J.V. Chelvanayakam, pressed demands that Ceylon be made a federal state. To conciliate the Tamils, Bandaranaike made a pact with Chelvanayakam, allowing for the official use of Tamil in Tamil-speaking provinces; in April 1958, however, under pressure of Sinhalese extremists, Bandaranaike nullified this pact. Such severe rioting and communal violence ensued that mass internal migrations of Tamils and Sinhalese occurred, and a state of emergency was declared. In August 1958 The Tamil Language (Special Provisions) Act was passed, providing for the use of Tamil for certain administrative purposes and as a medium of instruction in secondary and higher education, a measure that temporarily mollified but did not satisfy either the Tamils or the more extremist Sinhalese.

How about the Universities Act?

The 1971 Universities Act introduced a the Policy of standardization in a deliberate attempt to correct disproportionately high number of Sri Lankan Tamils students entering universities. Officially the policy was meant to discriminate in favour of students from rural areas but in reality the policy discriminated against Sri Lankan Tamil students who were in effect required gain more marks than Sinhalese students to gain admission to universities.[14][15] The number of Sri Lankan Tamil students entering universities fell dramatically. The policy was abandoned in 1977.

Thats the cause of Tamil separatist tendencies right there

 

[samv]

It's because you're going in tangents, from Dalits to Tribals conversion. And you're talking about a law which you have no knowledge of.

I have more knowledge than you think.

Heck a few Indians here don't seem to be aware that there is anti-conversion legislation in the "biggest democracy in the world" than prides itself on being "secular"

 

[sathish]

Why exactly is this thread "anti-India"?

Is it because it explores the fact that Dalits are discriminated against and are driven to suicide in India?

Oh well!! Except India you dont found discremination anywhere in this world???

Why you didnt opened any thread about pakistan,BD or anyother country, u r targetting only india... Otherwise are you thinking except India 0% discremination everywhere in this world?

 

[samv]

Its not just for Christians, its for all religion, no where it says its only for Christians, if a Hindu tries to convert a Christian the rule applies to that Hindu man too. You need to take off your religious minority victim goggles and read.

Let's cut the crap shall we? It is meant to stop people from converting from their religion (read Hinduism) to Christianity. You know that and I know that, everyone knows that.

BTW Sinhala Act ring a bell? At all? Thats the cause of Tamil separatist tendencies right there

There is no such thing as a Sinhala Only Bill. There was.

But not anymore.

But anti-conversion laws in India still exist and were very recently brought in.

And people like you are defending them.