India at Early Stages of Considering Whether it Wants the F-35 Stealth Fighters

[Raj-Hindustani]

Lora ka pehle tere pe summer winter rainy sab ka test fire hoga


4th gen fighters ka time gaya, abh chaiyei 5th gen fighter.
India needs F-35 to defend against Chinese J-20.

US se Tom cruise mil jaayega pe 5th gen fighters plane nahi...

 

[Suriya]

Bhai Khayali pulao pakana band karo

Modi is going to US to finalise the deal next month.
I wont be surprised if India decides to buy 72 F-35s.

US se Tom cruise mil jaayega pe 5th gen fighters plane nahi...

Need to help India find alternatives to Russian military equipment: Biden admin tells lawmakers - Times of India

US News: WASHINGTON: Ahead of her India visit for “foreign office consultations” Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, Victoria Nuland, has told lawm.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[waz]

They denied the software codes to the British who were the second biggest partners in the program. That will give you an indication of how much 'technology transfer' will happen.
That being said with the operation of the S-400 and the NATO alliance involved in a covert war against Russia means many issues.

 

[Skull and Bones]

They denied the software codes to the British who were the second biggest partners in the program. That will give you an indication of how much 'technology transfer' will happen.
That being said with the operation of the S-400 and the NATO alliance involved in a covert war against Russia means many issues.

Zero technology transfer in case of F-35, India will face a hard time to even integrate our homegrown missiles into this platform.

 

[waz]

Zero technology transfer in case of F-35, India will face a hard time to even integrate our homegrown missiles into this platform.

Well yes that's right. There is a reason why the UK went their own way for the 6th generation craft.

 

[Deino]

India is going buy 56 F-35s including 20 Naval versions and announcement coming soon.

Never ever

 

[-=virus=-]

If they offer F-35, we have to ask for F-22. If we have to sell ourselves, might as well get something that nobody else has.

even their NATO bros, the UK, Germany etc got refused

F-22 is old hat by now anyway

They're on to 6th gen..

270 odd mkis + a fleet of Mig29 UPGs/Ks is fine for us for now, + SSBN detterents .. the homeland is secure.

oh, and then there's the small matter of the S-400s

 

[Ali_Baba]

Would be interesting if the Americans will sell the F-35 to India given that India has purchased the S400 also.

Turkey got sanctioned for its purchase of the S400 and thrown out of the F-35 programme.

Does add one more item on why Turkey is so miffed list with the USA / NATO and "one" of the reasons why it is sitting on the approval of Sweden/Finland into NATO ?? (amongst others i guess ? )

 

[Paji]

If they offer F-35, we have to ask for F-22. If we have to sell ourselves, might as well get something that nobody else has.

F-22 cannot be exported based on American law. Not even the UK or Israel are going to get it.

 

[Paji]

Zero technology transfer in case of F-35, India will face a hard time to even integrate our homegrown missiles into this platform.

Yes, if India wants an American fighter, the F21 is the only viable candidate. It can be produced in India and customised per Indian requirements.

 

[dBSPL]

Would be interesting if the Americans will sell the F-35 to India given that India has purchased the S400 also.

Turkey got sanctioned for its purchase of the S400 and thrown out of the F-35 programme.

Does add one more item on why Turkey is so miffed list with the USA / NATO and "one" of the reasons why it is sitting on the approval of Sweden/Finland into NATO ?? (amongst others i guess ? )

My friend, if I may, I would like to make two small corrections: First, Turkiye was not a F-35 buyer, but a part of the JSF program with about 10 companies. Even when Turkiye's jets were not delivered, these companies continued to supply subsystems to the program (for both aircrafts and engines) for two more years. In fact, deliveries in the last year were twice as high as in the previous year. The program was expected to provide more than $10 billion to the Turkish aviation industry, and one of the two main non-US maintenance bases for the F-35 jet was to be located in Izmir. Turkiye has only achieved about half of these economic gains and, naturally, the Izmir maintenance base has not become operational. However, this project has been of great support in establishing almost the entire infrastructure in Turkiye, from the production to the operation of this aircraft in connection with the JSF program.

The other issue is the S400-F35 relationship. This is purely a political lever. It is not a technically consistent justification. The planes in question have already been used many times as a hostile power in airspaces protected by the S400. And the fact that India is now officially negotiating shows that US officials recognize that they can be coordinated within the same armed forces in two separate air-tactical control networks, which was the main argument against Turkiye. The Turkish side had previously presented the technical documentation and how the operation would take place to its counterparts with extensive documentation and simulations.

There is currently an election process in our country and one of the main promises of some of the opposition bloc is to buying F-35. In fact, even this shows that the issue is more on the basis of conflict of interest.

In short, India's position vis-à-vis China is seen as valuable to the US and the way forward for the F-35 purchase seems to be open if Indian officials accept "some" US "conditions".

It's not related but if you ask about our situation, we have a big surprise on March 18th.

 

[Salman Jatoi]

Heard from Airforce Senior sources that India has intention to go for it but not showing their desperation to Americans whereas they are calculating the risk of American parts in time of need. They learnt hard way from Pakistan that never trust Americans. They can switch side with a flip. They are somewhere sure that the deal will not go through as South block knows more about USA and its intentions. It is going to be Rafale.

 

[indushek]

My friend, if I may, I would like to make two small corrections: First, Turkiye was not a F-35 buyer, but a part of the JSF program with about 10 companies. Even when Turkiye's jets were not delivered, these companies continued to supply subsystems to the program (for both aircrafts and engines) for two more years. In fact, deliveries in the last year were twice as high as in the previous year. The program was expected to provide more than $10 billion to the Turkish aviation industry, and one of the two main non-US maintenance bases for the F-35 jet was to be located in Izmir. Turkiye has only achieved about half of these economic gains and, naturally, the Izmir maintenance base has not become operational. However, this project has been of great support in establishing almost the entire infrastructure in Turkiye, from the production to the operation of this aircraft in connection with the JSF program.

The other issue is the S400-F35 relationship. This is purely a political lever. It is not a technically consistent justification. The planes in question have already been used many times as a hostile power in airspaces protected by the S400. And the fact that India is now officially negotiating shows that US officials recognize that they can be coordinated within the same armed forces in two separate air-tactical control networks, which was the main argument against Turkiye. The Turkish side had previously presented the technical documentation and how the operation would take place to its counterparts with extensive documentation and simulations.

There is currently an election process in our country and one of the main promises of some of the opposition bloc is to buying F-35. In fact, even this shows that the issue is more on the basis of conflict of interest.

In short, India's position vis-à-vis China is seen as valuable to the US and the way forward for the F-35 purchase seems to be open if Indian officials accept "some" US "conditions".

It's not related but if you ask about our situation, we have a big surprise on March 18th.

Would you be ok, to throw more light on these 'conditions' please? Am sure the ones in decision making, will have an idea but people here can get some idea as well.

 

[313ghazi]

I'm at the early stage of considering between F22 or Tempest as my private jet.

 

[dBSPL]

Would you be ok, to throw more light on these 'conditions' please? Am sure the ones in decision making, will have an idea but people here can get some idea as well.

The F-35 is basically a joint strike jet. It has a common logistics system and a related operating model in which US institutions are directly or indirectly involved in many phases of the operation of non-US forces, or can indirectly predict their mission profiles. The JSF operating model has the goal of significantly limiting logistics costs for non-US countries, but at the same time, the US has achieved a capability with the new generation of jets that was not available with the previous generation.

Let's say India acquires these aircraft for its air force. The initial cost of the aircraft, training and documentation, infrastructure harmonization, and additional units have been completed, and with billions of dollars and several years of intensive effort, your fleet is get operationally active status: You cannot use this jet against US interests. You can use it in a way that is compatible with US interests. The framework will be determined not by your national interests, but by US regional policies. What I am talking about here in terms of conditions is that India's foreign policy and interests should be in complete alignment with the US.