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Stick to the topic you fools.
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Don't post your brainfarts, kiddo.
Every major historian including United States department and library of US congress agree that India was on top during ceasefire:
Most of these assessments agree that India had the upper hand over Pakistan when ceasefire occured.Some of the neutral assessments are mentioned below —
The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.
- According to the Library of Congress Country Studies conducted by the Federal Research Division of the United States[24] –
The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat.
- Devin T. Hagerty wrote in his book "South Asia in world politics"[117] –
The superior Indian forces, however, won a decisive victory and the army could have even marched on into Pakistani territory had external pressure not forced both combatants to cease their war efforts.
- In his book "National identity and geopolitical visions",[118] Gertjan Dijkink writes –
In three weeks the second Indo-Pak War ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on U.S. ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the cease-fire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to Ayub's chagrin.
- An excerpt from Stanley Wolpert's India,[119] summarizing the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965,
India won the war. It gained 1,840 km2 (710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2 (250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2 (180 sq mi) of the Sailkot sector; 380 km2(150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2(140 sq mi) on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 km2 (210 sq mi) of Indian territory: 490 km2(190 sq mi) in the Chhamb sector and 50 km2 (19 sq mi) around Khem Karan.
- In his book titled The greater game: India's race with destiny and China, David Van Praagh wrote[8] –
Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. New Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated.
- Dennis Kux's "India and the United States estranged democracies" also provides a summary of the war,[120]
India's strategic aims were modest – it aimed to deny Pakistani Army victory, although it ended up in possession of 720 square miles (1,900 km2) of Pakistani territory for the loss of just 220 square miles (570 km2) of its own.
- "A region in turmoil: South Asian conflicts since 1947" by Robert Johnson mentions[9] –
A brief but furious 1965 war with India began with a covert Pakistani thrust across the Kashmiri cease-fire line and ended up with the city of Lahore threatened with encirclement by Indian Army. Another UN-sponsored cease-fire left borders unchanged, but Pakistan's vulnerability had again been exposed.
- An excerpt from William M. Carpenter and David G. Wiencek's "Asian security handbook: terrorism and the new security environment"[121] –
The 1965 Indo-Pak war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate.
Again India appeared, logistically at least, to be in a superior position but neither side was able to mobilize enough strength to gain a decisive victory.
- Uk Heo and Shale Asher Horowitz write in their book "Conflict in Asia: Korea, China-Taiwan, and India-Pakistan"[123] –
Conflict resumed again in early 1965, when Pakistani and Indian forces clashed over disputed territory along the border between the two nations. Hostilities intensified that August when the Pakistani army attempted to take Kashmir by force. The attempt to seize the state was unsuccessful, and the second India-Pakistan War reached a stalemate.
- According to the Office of the Historian within the U.S Department of State:[124]
As for the mountain capture here is a nice article by former Northern Army commander Lt Gen; which details how Indian Army crossed, 2 Km into Pakistan and captured P5310.
https://www.newslaundry.com/2016/09/14/the-lost-operation-against-pakistan-in-chorbat-la
One was from official Japanese Nikkei and another from TOI, hmm really fake news indeed. What I heard was DRDO forcing these half baked 'advanced' missiles on the Army to show to the world an 'indigenous' product.Both fake articles. Look up their order numbers to judge.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...o-22-within-a-decade/articleshow/55852579.cms
IA has purchased 2000 Akash missiles on about 20-30 systems. It replaced their 80s tech SA-6 which was in similar numbers. The Israeli QRSAM is a different class from Akash. IAF also operates the SPYDER QRSAM along with Akash. Akash is categorized as an SRSAM, which is different from QRSAM. For example, Akash has a 55Kg warhead while the warheads on SPYDER is 11Kg and 23Kg.
But the Brahmos had been in operation for so long, and Russia is only 'interested'? You see a pattern here? Every single shit Indians can't do they claim joint development to get brownie points.Incorrect again. Russia said they can't induct the ship based Brahmos because they can't afford to make the changes on their ships. Recently, they have devised a new hypersonic cruise missile, so they don't need the Brahmos on their ships. But they are interested in the airborne Brahmos and the modernized Brahmos.
Then why not produce a new version of INSAS? Hmmm then what does the article below say? LOL...you guys are seriously living in denial. Go dance dance bollywood and imagine you are rolling in Swiss Alps now....Jai Hind!New ammo requirement, 7.62x51 mm. If an Indian company can supply it, well and good. INSAS is 5.56x45mm.
Butthurt has many languages, but the feeling is the same everywhere.
Your childhood memories awakened?
So many pictures again, one simple question, then why is the Army importing when there is so many super duper manufacturers in India? World class indeed.Importing NVDs are since long a declining trend, IA is in fact using local companies.
Why show you the pictures? Clearly to upend bias and to show haters that they don't like to be dealt when their BS is caught.
The only complex I see is a slowly shattering superiority complex.
One was from official Japanese Nikkei and another from TOI, hmm really fake news indeed. What I heard was DRDO forcing these half baked 'advanced' missiles on the Army to show to the world an 'indigenous' product.
But the Brahmos had been in operation for so long, and Russia is only 'interested'? You see a pattern here? Every single shit Indians can't do they claim joint development to get brownie points.
Then why not produce a new version of INSAS? Hmmm then what does the article below say? LOL...you guys are seriously living in denial. Go dance dance bollywood and imagine you are rolling in Swiss Alps now....Jai Hind!
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...-red-zones-with-aks-cites-insas-as-defective/
Simrad makes night sites for both US Special Forces and the Norwegian Armed Forces, so I'm not sure they'd throw their hat into an Indian tender or not, but they've a lot of experience making night optics.
Proof please...otherwise stfu.It's actually the other way around. The higher echelons are happier with the result of the strikes and the effective use of the equipment. That's why they want more of it to use on both sides of the borders.
The most funniest thing about indiot army hiding behind one billion other civilian indiots and claiming surgical strikes and yet fail to prove then tried to make fake video and caught red handed in iok. Come on indiots more jokes please.The most funniest thing done by Pakistan Military hiding behind civilians and say what surgical strike, there was no surgical strike happened.
So many pictures again, one simple question, then why is the Army importing when there is so many super duper manufacturers in India? World class indeed.
Proof please...otherwise stfu.
The most funniest thing about indiot army hiding behind one billion other civilian indiots and claiming surgical strikes and yet fail to prove then tried to make fake video and caught red handed in iok. Come on indiots more jokes please.
World does not revolve around one billion indiots, the villages there exist from pre partition and its their land, tell your coward army to stop killing innocent unarmed civilians.Yeah yeah, but the facts are different. No civilian structures around Indian Army Posts. But there are plenty of Civilians and civilian structures around Pakistani Army Posts. Before saying us as Idiots, better as your Army why it is there ?? to Save who ?? People ?? or them ?? and decide who is who by yourself. But the world already knows it.
Comon you know it is not trueWorld does not revolve around one billion indiots, the villages there exist from pre partition and its their land, tell your coward army to stop killing innocent unarmed civilians.
I am repeating myself, the latest tenders are showing all foreign manufacturers and yet you are saying the trend is long gone?I think in your tumescent need to reply you didn't quite read my comment or maybe didn't want to.
Again, that trend is long gone and local manufacturers are the ones doing the selling.
Enjoy denial.
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201612211048849048-india-night-warfare/India had lost 51 soldiers in militant attacks and cross-border firing since it conducted the "surgical strikes" on terrorist launch pads inside Pakistan.
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/201612211048849048-india-night-warfare/
Beginning this month, the Indian Army has already invited global bids for NVDs for long range LMGs and Uncooled Thermal Imager based Driver's Night Sight with fusion technology for the Russian-origin T-90 tanks. The Army requires the range of detection of a human target at minimum 1000 meters.
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/201612211048849048-india-night-warfare/
Not available in India? LOLHowever, the recently floated RFIs are considered highly ambitious. "The type of technology is not available in India.
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/201612211048849048-india-night-warfare/
I am repeating myself, the latest tenders are showing all foreign manufacturers and yet you are saying the trend is long gone?
Maybe due to using 'super duper advanced' Indian stuff? LOL
Not available in India? LOL
Yes we won 65 and you got beating of lifetime in 1965. Yes we lost 1971 and we haven't forgotten it and would take revenge. As for Kargil well I also used to think that India won Kargil until I came to know that Pakistan is still sitting in Kargil in fact on two highest peaks. Kargil now seem to be your biggest embarrassment. We send 500 guys most of them were Jihadis and you brought 40000 soldiers along with latest Artillery and MRLs and Fighter Jets still failed to get all the peaks back if you consider that victory !!! than I can do nothing about that. And in 2002 you lost around 2000 soldiers without even fighting any major war. So please grow up
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You lost 65 and entire world knows it and yes we lost 71 and entire world also knows that and ask your mighty Army that even after using 40000 soldiers and Fighter Jets and Artillery along with MRLs How come Pakistan still controls two highest peaks in the region and yes you Indians have been reading distorted history for past 70 yearsEffect of reading distrauted history.
You lost 65 and entire world knows it and yes we lost 71 and entire world also knows that and ask your mighty Army that even after using 40000 soldiers and Fighter Jets and Artillery along with MRLs How come Pakistan still controls two highest peaks in the region and yes you Indians have been reading distorted history for past 70 years